From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 00:33:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231A416A418 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcos@silkweb.net.nz) Received: from ns1.tpnet.co.nz (ntp.tpnet.co.nz [218.185.224.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D9313C45D for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcos@silkweb.net.nz) Received: from silkweb by ns1.tpnet.co.nz with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IGkaP-000OuP-99; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:00:09 +1200 Received: from 218.185.225.2 ([218.185.225.2]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user marcos@silkweb.net.nz) by www.silkweb.net.nz with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:00:09 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <60162.218.185.225.2.1186099209.squirrel@www.silkweb.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <20070802.170741.228971791.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <46B14894.8060408@tpnet.co.nz> <20070802235154.3d518c3d@localhost> <20070802.170741.228971791.imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:00:09 +1200 (NZST) From: marcos@silkweb.net.nz To: "M. Warner Losh" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns1.tpnet.co.nz X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [1008 1009] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - silkweb.net.nz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:34:13 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Atheros Open Hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:33:05 -0000 Hi there. I don't care much about politics but I could tell you that I used Freebsd hal for a very long time, I've got more 600 wifi PCs running BSD. the best feature about the open hal is that it's open. with the open hal in Linux you are now able to run license frequencies, use 5Mhz, 10Mhz or 20Mhz per channel , etc.... I would love to have a driver with all that features to run on freebsd and I'm sure that will be the same interets from many other freebsd/wifi users. Thanks Marcos > In message: <20070802235154.3d518c3d@localhost> > Jona Joachim writes: > : On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:59:32 +1200 > : "Marcos Biscaysaqu - ThePacific.net" wrote: > : > : > Hi there. > : > It's the Atheros openhal driver supported in freebsd already? > : > : I asked some time if there was any interest in porting OpenHAL to > : FreeBSD. See the archive of the -advocacy mailing list. > : I don't think there is any interest. FreeBSD is using a proprietary > : closed source driver, a so-called blob, for Atheros chipsets and they > : feel comfortable with it. The leaders hardly ever discuss such > : decisions. > > While what you say might be literally true, the way you say it makes > it sound like a conspiracy. The term blob is offensive to some. And > frankly, nobody has ever submitted, that I've seen, an alternate > Atheros driver that came anywhere close to the level of functionality > in the current tree. > > : Quoting from > : > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/people.html: > : "In order to develop FreeBSD, committers must have the ability to > : openly discuss matters that will be resolved before they are publicly > : announced. Frank discussions of work in progress are not suitable for > : open publication and may harm FreeBSD." > > While this is true, there's never been a private discussion about the > atheros hal on developers. Again, you are implying black helicopters > where there are none. > > Warner >