From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 04:47:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BFB106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01CB8FC0A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2R4hOg6054742 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4D8EC168.7060905@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:47:36 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipmi is broken? (ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:47:38 -0000 When I load module: kldload /boot/kernel/ipmi.ko message appears in system log: ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range Command 'ipmitool sensor' complains: Could not open device at /dev/ipmi0 or /dev/ipmi/0 or /dev/ipmidev/0: No such file or directory What is wrong? FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #2: Tue Mar 15 21:20:50 PDT 2011 yuri@xxx.xxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 06:47:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A444F1065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AFD8FC0A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so2678994wwc.31 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:47:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IG8fzhLdT608kugPETti1Eo+iSRtO25WLNuOVkHW984=; b=MkSyy7SPJSTrfk601zWKs+nWLVgyiN8+Cai+/DzQ3HhzAtGCPFBsZFDw6YxXPNUlJQ BIHOdoiligJgnqF/S+Odo25i5XOtEzu+gDyUYGfuDAQyv8sSMf4A6T7YnGVhBzc0gs0k id1kGKwmBiR4OF3PDwx1GUhrrAjfDtOaYj2Mk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=x1lI+7/8JgJlHg3oaeRFOXRdjHF+PsEUWRlRH0/1+owNjXMR9HN8zxPomiwag+ZPev 6uoh6mMYAAzRMSpP3gVylo1Ppjfk8QQp8xO/qZgIJlDwD3MEW5Tvsn/vKrnltKyWykDE 3hqZ/dE9CjFd+9z8YRPxwSLz23UdjBCbxDGKU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.6.27 with SMTP id 27mr2431095wem.69.1301208442021; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D8E5D3C.2000409@shopzeus.com> References: <20110326174100.1617.qmail@joyce.lan> <4D8E3CA4.8040808@shopzeus.com> <20110326165629.738ce74e@scorpio> <4D8E5D3C.2000409@shopzeus.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Laszlo Nagy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MySQL 3 needed but how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:47:23 -0000 On 26 March 2011 21:40, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > > There is nothing in /var/log/messages. >>> >>> It was working with 4.1 server, but I just uninstalled that (because >>> the upgrading faq told me to install 4.0 instead.) >>> >> Do you have the following in your "/etc/rc.conf" file: >> >> mysql_enable="YES" >> > Yes. I'm in the process of installing FreeBSD 6.4 in a virtual machine. > Hopefully I'll be able to compile mysql 3.23 and make a backup from there. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Why not get the binary packages off the freebsd archive servers from an earlier release and run those with the relevant compatibility layer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 07:30:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771B8106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from shopzeus.com (135-shost.hostoffice.hu [195.228.74.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2048FC15 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shopzeus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4166288973C9 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4D8EE774.6020307@shopzeus.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:29:56 +0200 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; hu; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110326174100.1617.qmail@joyce.lan> <4D8E3CA4.8040808@shopzeus.com> <4D8E5F5E.9080104@shopzeus.com> <4D8E6F03.6060604@a1poweruser.com> <20110326191144.570932c0@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110326191144.570932c0@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-shopzeus-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-shopzeus-MailScanner-ID: 4166288973C9.A24C6 X-shopzeus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-shopzeus-MailScanner-From: gandalf@shopzeus.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: MySQL 3 needed but how? [SOLVED] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:30:03 -0000 I could install FreeBSD 6.4 on a virtual machine, replace the data dir and run mysqldump from there. Thank you for your help! L -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 10:35:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929621065675 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558C58FC17 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [95.211.9.22]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 283A85AED for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:11:07 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:34:59 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110327093459.GA7453@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Organization: ' Subject: install pc-bsd into a jail? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:35:32 -0000 We can live forever looking to my eyes, freebsd-questions! I can install world into a jail as it is spelled in jail(2). I can install freebsd as a binary from dvd as I can use its install.sh How could I install a binary pcbsd from dvd into a jail? Thank you. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 12:23:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AED6106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159518FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1033968gxk.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:23:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.20 with SMTP id 20mr2793982yba.55.1301228591276; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.45.11 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Unable to update to kde-4.6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:23:12 -0000 After following the instructions in UPDATING, I am still experiencing a problem getting KDE-4 updated. I have tried several different methods. The following is the output of the last attempt. ===> kde4-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Found saved configuration for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 ===> Extracting for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 => SHA256 Checksum OK for KDE/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1.tar.bz2. /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build ===> Patching for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libssh.so - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtDBus.so - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/moc-qt4 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libphonon.so - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/qmake-qt4 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/rcc - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/uic-qt4 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/automoc4 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/cmake - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: IlmImf.6 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: exiv2.9 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: xine.1 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: slp.1 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: smbclient.0 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: ssh.4 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: attica.0 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: pulse.0 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: canberra.0 - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: intl - found ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: kimproxy.5 - found ===> Configuring for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build -- The C compiler identification is GNU -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works -- Detecting C compiler ABI info -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done CMake Error at /usr/local/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in Call Stack (most recent call first): CMakeLists.txt:14 (find_package) CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt: No cmake_minimum_required command is present. A line of code such as cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8) should be added at the top of the file. The version specified may be lower if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project. For more information run "cmake --help-policy CMP0000". This warning is for project developers. Use -Wno-dev to suppress it. -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde4. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 13:17:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A1D1065673 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D411B8FC1E for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3324049iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:17:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pdOConZFvwckrl1SjQVZAgYTq864O+HpKpH4/WhmIXg=; b=s7S5taRohKRHGwyr3Jza9ezM5SZ/aKLcKDEJhSmnCIlNN4+3aARnvu957L7ms/k7em DZt+StIqxnXLvuUk2SPWg+ORmN9gtaIjmrcu8uK4jwEZStJWmNFVBpK0bx5f/cGSvJ8P o5akuootAkcuDOzf6EL7cMXQ7+yHpg18HdjZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=i1FsfKIWerr0DAL4yiKZwYMs0+kb9bs9RtCNtoqod1SNxQLihw5Et3yokQfs1ZwW4z 7y2qP6B0l8Ot/XsH9/MWFMLRlS0n+inLJhWAJaAOcMXnMI3pwWpYs6kyu14EPeB0Av0E 0/CLDty3Ir8PFvV+F/ziugddpu+0XvI46ToOY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.74.195 with SMTP id x3mr4854713icj.79.1301231829163; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.193 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: Franci Nabalanci To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: boot error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:17:10 -0000 Hi! My system is FreeBSD releaese 8.2. I installed KDE 4.6.1 and run it. And I updated ATI drivers too. When I start KDE It freeze when I try to change a background picture.. After restart of computer I got an error and boot in the single mode. /dev/ad0s1a: LINK COUNT DIR I=376823 OWNER= ROOT mode 40700 SIZE=1024 MTIME= Mar 27 ...COUNT 18 SHOULD BE 19 /dev/ad0s1a LINK COUNT INCREASING /dev/ad0s1a UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY Automatic file system check failed: help! ERROR: ABORTING BOOT (sending SIGTERM to parent)! If I manually run fsck -p (for example) /dev/ad0s1a I got permission denied. Please help. Thank sin advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 13:41:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CDC1065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6958FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0122112500A0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2D6911250079 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:28 +0200 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110313 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:41:49 -0000 Hi, I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, python, rails, php .... Can someone advise one? And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 13:49:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62100106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C6B8FC0C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D12E7872; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:49:08 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=cMhw5a5LTIdh d/Clbyki0TJJX5w=; b=miEwEUV+nkUt0LfB0OfQNswtO5ht0UQ4qUYip5SreLnw AVcTp3EpwVPfmfSSWpii5vnZrSfelFlFDG3rsH2myixKQc7EuTu+hc2LFZGXEIzH JIXe8jSu8OZzK9hCITcQW0CSpPjJEeY21WRJkRyqW6FmDYZObb4VdVDDIPf03Js= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=nXi6YA iS7QrG4LB7WAEh3LfVjpZlT8Qo0FJ5WLXmTr3T4Lm/ZIiEcagDYbu107zDSCxUBd KrHBU//w6Xu7IY63yYgCAc56xdyM5PLfvLGNRQGS0/XOJWbO5wsUgSNR5Ku36RZ+ RWcZvgLEMLl+vWoshIWbpXLfVWpphRdoSzLxQ= Received: from unknown (188-222-18-231.zone13.bethere.co.uk [188.222.18.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 867C0E6DA9; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:49:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:49:06 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Alokat Message-ID: <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> In-Reply-To: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:49:10 -0000 On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:28 +0200 Alokat wrote: > I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, > python, rails, php .... > Can someone advise one? > And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) KDevelop (http://www.kdevelop.org/) 4 is quite good. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:02:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAD2106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8148FC14 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5C1112500A0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C15911250079 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:02:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:02:33 +0200 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110313 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:58 -0000 On 03/27/11 15:49, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:28 +0200 > Alokat wrote: > >> I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, >> python, rails, php .... >> Can someone advise one? >> And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) > KDevelop (http://www.kdevelop.org/) 4 is quite good. > Maybe ... but it's QT! :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:11:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5021065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meta@club.kyutech.ac.jp) Received: from sapphire.club.kyutech.ac.jp (sapphire.club.kyutech.ac.jp [131.206.108.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449C78FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sapphire.club.kyutech.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sapphire.club.kyutech.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04E41143C; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:11:51 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at club.kyutech.ac.jp Received: from club.kyutech.ac.jp (rose.club.kyutech.ac.jp [131.206.108.6]) by sapphire.club.kyutech.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6762D11423; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:11:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:11:48 +0900 From: Kouichiro Iwao To: Al Plant Message-ID: <20110327141148.GA4395@club.kyutech.ac.jp> References: <4D8CE607.9030505@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D8CE607.9030505@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: allBSD Japan servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:11:53 -0000 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:59:19AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Aloha, > > Anybody know what happened to the http; or ftp servers for allbsd.org > japan? Did the Tsumnami put them down? allbsd.org is hosted by Tokyo University of Science. Probably, servers are still there but down due to lack of electricity. Numbers of power plants are damaged by earthquake. We provide just a portsnap server, portsnap.club.kyutech.ac.jp. Consider using it instead of allbsd's if you want. -- kiwao From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:15:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A82106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454DC8FC0A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2585011wyf.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w/ypB6mJZ0or7YndgRzLNYOVCCvKd8cBrVQNRfw7Rk4=; b=jseQQRQIcXgFOWco2BFCnLCJAsu5J2bDo8xgmO9xcdExm7B3U/vrcKu5t1b8TkSdZ4 WtWfME1yJTd/OD/T+fzxepxxJZnTmMvntd+Jtpj8tJ/OQZn9H2z5brWgCUF9VdsbV1BQ 1uesvwzAgn6F5gGEHsyC0F/4JMhq18TWxCGPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=V7O5NgU0zwJugLzGx/Wli5gUThp+Cg9HMyUfL2gyQzHzAnf59XNi266VEcrqI8TT9m N2Ls9YzmfMqg5XrHOeMhFn4jbJ1q1oqrmQ4N3Yw/nA7zWhAsTaDGm7kVB+ePz4vburbY cPvjbl7waK5nbZYjmxZcvNFln8BPau5ARPuIU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.147.194 with SMTP id m2mr2944624wbv.145.1301235345979; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:15:45 +0400 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Alokat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:15:47 -0000 AFAIK intellij has several IDEs (for python, ruby, php) but not sure about c and c++ Their java ide is very good and popular, and other based on the same platform, so they may be good too. On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, python, > rails, php .... > Can someone advise one? > And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) > > Regards, > alokat > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:19:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FA0106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852F78FC0C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2REJAt6007883; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:19:16 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:11:07 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.5.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103272111.08211.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Franci Nabalanci Subject: Re: boot error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:19 -0000 Hi, On Sunday 27 March 2011 20:17:09 Franci Nabalanci wrote: > Hi! > > My system is FreeBSD releaese 8.2. > I installed KDE 4.6.1 and run it. And I updated ATI drivers too. > When I start KDE It freeze when I try to change a background picture.. After > restart of computer I got an error and boot in the single mode. > /dev/ad0s1a: LINK COUNT DIR I=376823 OWNER= ROOT mode 40700 SIZE=1024 MTIME= > Mar 27 ...COUNT 18 SHOULD BE 19 > /dev/ad0s1a LINK COUNT INCREASING > /dev/ad0s1a UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY > Automatic file system check failed: help! > ERROR: ABORTING BOOT > (sending SIGTERM to parent)! > > If I manually run fsck -p (for example) /dev/ad0s1a I got permission denied. > you have to boot into single user mode to run fsck on the root partition. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:19:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395411065674 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050878FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p2REJAt7007883; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:19:19 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:14:31 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.5.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103272114.31231.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Alokat Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:27 -0000 Hi, On Sunday 27 March 2011 20:41:28 Alokat wrote: > > I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, python, > rails, php .... > Can someone advise one? > And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) I am pretty happy with Kate from the KDE package. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 14:26:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AA01065673 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAF58FC1F for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so3422401iyj.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:26:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RmP6F+QVo9DNpX6rd8QsabW5oTFHT0ETxurdkH6l06I=; b=o2/Jbapotz5k6T4j+pqTexoHqbrV7AyKO3wajwa48OMEgARcRvLrQmhBptIVOj3HPX SHT+oCeCg7x8JiJDoCH1j4sP7i7x7MRG7ccKZbYt2iTKJPyVAh5X5zeHtHrrPLOACS7u OtucvbLHxm6bpluTYBgVvaLBWQLfUhSc7RHHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=qtSaqdDzmXRDaNb48gQd7eY0wGHpcxNffG+IeqIL4dR4IlhuyciU7kBZP7yrBmmws8 gThh6gFFELrD3mUWMopp56LpI4Nt5TBrfL+l5WAc6vT8wiGdUIYjv//olu8mSghQI8EC o0mMXzYS3nYT2LMRNZaHGK8jWGtrAh6WzV52c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.240.134 with SMTP id la6mr4536338icb.347.1301235986704; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.193 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:26:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201103272111.08211.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> References: <201103272111.08211.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:26:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Franci Nabalanci To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:26:27 -0000 I boot in the single user mode and when I run /sbin fsck -y I got "Permission denied". The same is if I /mount -w / and I gor Permission Denied. On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Erich Dollansky < erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sunday 27 March 2011 20:17:09 Franci Nabalanci wrote: > > Hi! > > > > My system is FreeBSD releaese 8.2. > > I installed KDE 4.6.1 and run it. And I updated ATI drivers too. > > When I start KDE It freeze when I try to change a background picture.. > After > > restart of computer I got an error and boot in the single mode. > > /dev/ad0s1a: LINK COUNT DIR I=376823 OWNER= ROOT mode 40700 SIZE=1024 > MTIME= > > Mar 27 ...COUNT 18 SHOULD BE 19 > > /dev/ad0s1a LINK COUNT INCREASING > > /dev/ad0s1a UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY > > Automatic file system check failed: help! > > ERROR: ABORTING BOOT > > (sending SIGTERM to parent)! > > > > If I manually run fsck -p (for example) /dev/ad0s1a I got permission > denied. > > > you have to boot into single user mode to run fsck on the root partition. > > Erich > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 16:00:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88171065674 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9C48FC15 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so1064368yie.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:00:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=k1M68WMEN0wBPKrhiHY4xLcaw3gbMPFvqdmJPnksn7I=; b=D4ZgcPl8dlYnEhV7Ojax178UMiQbKu8qGBXXtGQdDy++BYgIqywso49pp1uIz0yL/R 3mzV6FBA/lZVbCJEdM7SMdwLNCTlm+TFW4tlQi6vYCsVqtyaLwrqiRMJ27iH9l4NyTtl gc/IzVpXNkUie+BWaGZm7sj/UX5H+QN8os7gQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=O2+y5wHzkh/ey6yhZHGGX11pd+Xb2RPkDdMYMGH6RjyQREuvBPpWG16lxafweGIoEz FqAGceXd2ZIE032ECiHzyPSyNO+lqVfBR7IBoNcCRdN9dLLyaH6NKJrsznKJrC6JkUHe EyVnvfm4thfgbSJbC0Fwq55ayMXkC1de0k3mM= Received: by 10.150.114.6 with SMTP id m6mr2866348ybc.184.1301241631571; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm187108ybe.14.2011.03.27.09.00.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: Erich Dollansky Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:00:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.6.1; i386; ; ) References: <201103272111.08211.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103271100.19836.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:00:32 -0000 On Sunday 27 March 2011 09:26:26 Franci Nabalanci wrote: > I boot in the single user mode and when I run /sbin fsck -y I got > "Permission denied". The same is if I /mount -w / and I gor Permission > Denied. > > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Erich Dollansky < > > erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sunday 27 March 2011 20:17:09 Franci Nabalanci wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > My system is FreeBSD releaese 8.2. > > > I installed KDE 4.6.1 and run it. And I updated ATI drivers too. > > > When I start KDE It freeze when I try to change a background picture.. > > > > After > > > > > restart of computer I got an error and boot in the single mode. > > > /dev/ad0s1a: LINK COUNT DIR I=376823 OWNER= ROOT mode 40700 SIZE=1024 > > > > MTIME= > > > > > Mar 27 ...COUNT 18 SHOULD BE 19 > > > /dev/ad0s1a LINK COUNT INCREASING > > > /dev/ad0s1a UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY > > > Automatic file system check failed: help! > > > ERROR: ABORTING BOOT > > > (sending SIGTERM to parent)! > > > > > > If I manually run fsck -p (for example) /dev/ad0s1a I got permission > > > > denied. > > > > you have to boot into single user mode to run fsck on the root partition. > > > > Erich I was my mistake, grrrrr. I wrote /sbin/ fsck -y and should nbe /sbin/fsck -y Thanks. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 16:19:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A14E106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E028FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so3506317iyj.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.239.6 with SMTP id ku6mr4535039icb.189.1301242779771; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (ppp-115-87-195-41.revip4.asianet.co.th [115.87.195.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id he40sm2290226ibb.67.2011.03.27.09.19.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D8F6312.7000008@pathscale.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:17:22 +0700 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alokat References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:19:40 -0000 Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, > python, rails, php .... > Can someone advise one? > And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) Try to google and test for yourself. "stuff" isn't very specific - Is this casual code hacking and you need only syntax highlighting or you want intelligent code completion and other things.. Netbeans likely covers all those languages to some extent Qtcreator - QT based, but probably does syntax highlighting just as well as Kate vim / emacs - etc... There's no panacea to this question.. What editor may work really well for one language may not be the best for another.. Good luck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 16:44:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B3106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from csanyipal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8E8FC0A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2467170bwz.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=rEBD+f7/OqlJVitbIZeYQUfPCrtlXM6Y4dJ0x1mKEss=; b=LyUYQZ6XlRA227D6eEEyEVsDDNpksZwvAmqHHZTG4PCn5e1tZNnwyv4TqtdtWPn4jO akIJn9i0v6JutjfRagYvPeVpJylK/H3tj3tPq1g0NFZ4Grm9RcrI1c7h59TYIqQmaR3y /U6EHi6cJ6jFSJkqA+c1ofAs0mUOSDdl6QVfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; b=FkTJm4QhZ4NKKah41yo9F+KtZW4JYZ0VZfepZc/41WK3WAMMy/ipCR5vVL+arOIPm9 oNqoZKvPB4le/MLIjWGWbpjTI1c+UynPDLaSyqoBPcBK6RmXFzyOqZ1WsR6LR007OmCb OSidsGsPUe7jdmfXzDSbs3Br2zX4keIb6ptkU= Received: by 10.204.32.9 with SMTP id a9mr2739802bkd.182.1301242426838; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-asztal.excito (194-170-85-95.dynamic.stcable.net [95.85.170.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v21sm2038537bkt.23.2011.03.27.09.13.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Csanyi Pal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:13:41 +0200 Message-ID: <878vw0fsne.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:44:51 -0000 Hi, I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too. When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of downloading data from server stall. So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic. So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public server that run already a Debian operating system? -- Regards, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 17:47:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476901065672 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A1B8FC15 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QHjg1g0011ap0As52HnwGH; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:47:56 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QHnu1g00f1f6R9u3iHnu6t; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:47:56 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:47:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:47:52 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.2.3i X-Composer: Vim 7.3 Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:47:56 -0000 On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 07:02:33 PDT Alokat wrote: >On 03/27/11 15:49, Bruce Cran wrote: >>On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:28 +0200 >>Alokat wrote: >> >>>I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, >>>python, rails, php .... >>>Can someone advise one? >>>And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) >>KDevelop (http://www.kdevelop.org/) 4 is quite good. >> >Maybe ... but it's QT! :( Is gtk OK? Try anjuta, or geany. Personally, I prefer vim. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 17:53:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22D6106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1E28FC0C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3u9r-0003Lr-Te for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:53:47 +0200 Received: from 93-136-114-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.136.114.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:53:47 +0200 Received: from gour by 93-136-114-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:53:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Gour Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:53:35 +0200 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <20110327195335.6d09912f@atmarama.net> References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/RHTrh9_NeajSlY3qMcr/4X4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93-136-114-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Face: 3Cy8q3pLN"sFiKpp%e^3=GTSm2xV5z:O1:| :WC~ei/w@ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:53:50 -0000 --Sig_/RHTrh9_NeajSlY3qMcr/4X4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:41:28 +0200 Alokat wrote: > I'm searching for a good IDE for my development stuff - c, c++, > python, rails, php .... > Can someone advise one? > And I don't wanna use eclipse. :-) Personally I use Emacs, but you may try Code::Blocks (http://www.codeblocks.org/)...Even Cmake generates project files for it. Sincerely, Gour --=20 =E2=80=9CIn the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) http://atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: CDBF17CA --Sig_/RHTrh9_NeajSlY3qMcr/4X4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNj3mfAAoJECrfh83NvxfK7CEQAKQITZm+V1u0HK242f68Ihvr yLX4apDBtvl61/22Rgl8woWV5TmPiTbPzXmS+iaIhPhOcK8AmRWzToOdv8N95qNh 9e36G/HT2uMtM8tU+ybMaItO5Zmg4QC+h0uHoqz77JYQT0pqqlkK7AVbojaNs2Yr iAaI5ZrWhP3W74/bI80YpgXStFNyCiYIuDvpPUgqHdmTO94y2+ZJcue2O2aSugot LyYcvIohOlPzjGWHrafwYjE/ANpcdg/Xk3OArrHx2fablOvs5Fnp34cyZt6YNlL7 Oi6PULsrFyGNabrV1n1/8VJ50gB33RsGGrbyy3eBefd2lTbwN05HD6+lR+aG9pJY eXwvvGF8JW+X751b2nT7ThjA+OFhUhsJxcw8hXG9IX94DuUrfiK4jYkGrivg9fV7 rjCMJOruy/qgksKDT5GUuIcL9slh5m+P9nn2PlA+0cW0fN2gB0IYN3LJTQQsFShx r121a2YTh7MWtmS7CQUqDCJ8BkmUoQTIXaE7Yiu0eZCalIsaqMndo+QyrhsFSG8f DXr0t9cnrQAyCx9xxfCVbh39qS8ZE0BSdI/L8GVWCK+jQ1A8ws/lOfLpVE8DDiOI EYRUFX/aQQ/3ZRBmKWMcDhsKWQeJew6hGL46hea7KEihW/zdDINL7lsZ295OGFKN 0QzoWsT19EzjMF0k9krf =qbts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/RHTrh9_NeajSlY3qMcr/4X4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:07:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FB71065675 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088CA8FC12 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3uNR-0001JQ-Tu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:07:51 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:07:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:07:49 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:07:54 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: >=20 > Personally, I prefer vim. ;) >=20 +1 Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. IMO, vim Integrates quite well with the shell, make, etc. --=20 =2Eo. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNj3z0AAoJEIpckszW26+R9aoH/iisGwFcb5cwp09PNTRFkcp9 whU768l8iqzFgpd5bBbgps5oaGex+1ybTeVBVGgrQUZwfxTMZDahhDK6UHNo/7m2 Jv5zcB606DkmDLyXGz4Pxp6k45C6dnnywJ8A6sWHOQORuAyblNiVhAGmjbUYqxP/ XsRp/7vYtpl10495zrxQ32kqJ2rxhuZdhaFFGQsBIxmPXKZatLfYw8QQGGZrm8/p br7F5eCBZaAcLDa+Bw0nKOY8XMaXQ8Iwqa8DGPZSZMWw+V1s62rxiLsXF/NSGcjj 7IqvqgNAb/DPJdy/ldpG0j7Q87eI7kMFtMe5CoKIkzG/mlJRE/t8EI7cgBWZt9w= =uZlG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:43:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7E3106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E818FC13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so1706953qwc.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:43:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ft0jrjEU4iWob/AAf5BhSm1EBgcKxTsBYO186l0Wyxs=; b=HwjsYtkTzknibh7FAWFZbMaHWkLNGZ3FG3CupmDq7CX/DCNlGXA6toH+JDRa5hgzJ4 9InAeCk/hCY2phhirLnmm6VaSEieXuSSXX7rZhSoMumhaawzarTQryL0hDFR2Ig5P+Ni 32g3DOb1IFY7I1p0l/I63dZ3B8sijYYfBEWN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IwiA2fxE4ttgsJN/jwJ25d4vlgBgukaeOykl+ii+nLtORXXIVuhFkX+bRi1XRaoRJS 3lYyrtamyMFZcJHrBZVbJFndAIcFxIo8rYuTCdB0TlNxazgfqG1q2gF2jaLXXzmNQ+J8 qPAA6BgvBc4ZX5DG8jFGCFcAB0P34HfjXqHgw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.107.3 with SMTP id z3mr2510679qco.255.1301249984807; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.235.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:19:44 +0400 Message-ID: From: Subbsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: why vim ports have personal KNOBS for options X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:43:04 -0000 Ive wanted to ask why the option of vim port has not yet been handed via dialog by default. Personally, to make them work, we must define WITH_OPTIONS=yes in make.conf (or WITH_VIM_OPTIONS=yes). Life without it is so difficult ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:45:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333531065679 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:45:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from csanyipal@stcable.net) Received: from mx4.stcable.net (mx4.stcable.net [91.102.225.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4B58FC16 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx4.stcable.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.stcable.net (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9E8BD7C458 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.stcable.net (smtp.stcable.net [91.102.225.5]) by mx4.stcable.net (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7F7527C151 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.10.77] (194-170-85-95.dynamic.stcable.net [95.85.170.194]) by smtp.stcable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 468DA364F6 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:03 +0200 From: Paul Chany User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110307 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:45:28 -0000 Hi, I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too. When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of downloading data from server stall. So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic. So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public server that run already a Debian operating system? -- Regards, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:49:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEC81065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp05.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp05.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.153.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B946D8FC12 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-51-20.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.51.20]:55305 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp05.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3v0x-0001uS-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:48:41 +0200 Received: (qmail 3951 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2011 20:48:37 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2011 20:48:37 +0200 Received: (qmail 36248 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Mar 2011 20:48:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:48:37 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Subbsd Message-ID: <20110327184837.GA36228@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.51.20 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Q3v0x-0001uS-H9. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp05.sth.basefarm.net 1Q3v0x-0001uS-H9 71f4d94fd714ca31e8ffd996f677ef09 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why vim ports have personal KNOBS for options X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:49:00 -0000 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:19:44PM +0400, Subbsd wrote: > Ive wanted to ask why the option of vim port has not yet been handed > via dialog by default. Personally, to make them work, we must define > WITH_OPTIONS=yes in make.conf (or WITH_VIM_OPTIONS=yes). Life without > it is so difficult ;) Because the maintainer of the vim port has a dislike for the OPTIONS framework. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:54:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D176106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A9F8FC13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3568496iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.62.72 with SMTP id wz8mr1938775icb.350.1301252076099; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.144.202 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Paul Chany Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:54:37 -0000 2011/3/27 Paul Chany Hi, > > I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso > > I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too. > > When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I > can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server > doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet > connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of > downloading data from server stall. > > So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror > server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run > on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because > my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic. > > So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public > server that run already a Debian operating system? > This same piece of mail, you sent a few hours ago frrom this very same e-mail address with a different name .... from Csanyi Pal sender-time Sent at 12:13 PM (GMT+02:00). Current time there: 8:52 PM. =E2=9C=86 to freebsd-questions@fr= eebsd.org date Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM subject FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? mailing list freebsd-questions.freebsd.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by freebsd.org --=20 Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 18:58:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2D9106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BD18FC18 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3570973iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.147.134 with SMTP id n6mr4902107icv.216.1301252286098; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.144.202 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Chip Camden Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:58:07 -0000 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: > > > > Personally, I prefer vim. ;) > > > > +1 > > Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. IMO, vim Integrates > quite well with the shell, make, etc. > > vim is all one needs ... once I sat down and learned the basics of vim/vi I stopped installing nano, I feel much more comfortable in vim now then any other editor, even notepad. gvim on my *one* windows machine and vim everywhere else makes me very happy. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 19:25:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD9E106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosand1982@yahoo.com) Received: from web120020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (web120020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.85.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 440E88FC08 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42186 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2011 18:58:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1301252326; bh=DCWjdgiJjrRyzvPLUZ+QvtqT7F34ZW8ree5cw5yON+s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RMX2Hr4WuE9zYrqWAVQ7BVLq8RKx6xMMxhogmDt/z1ZcIjq1i2cLFV4mVD4+gWdHNrCCmJvY4cjBOttWumjWGhluPxYXwr09hdkPUV0tZbOrdX9BYTRL0MTppgKM/W0xTPgJ4TNX6fc+yIQXGfVr8xXFTLw+YGzp/Z3Hmz+yElo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qdS0xD96oTKVSTlVzI6s/PP7D6bwPGmAZod65U3EQuYX6SJCBtElj94jJk9CQb65NYyTxTGXa6hCT4JXVpx12+R+9Ue+FtNdcHP0Stg4Ft04vYQZan4dRBWvzyevJMcXKrg/mz3qgELd+7+V4dyY0kAPkeeuxdtnAU6XL9sndZI=; Message-ID: <910016.17803.qm@web120020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HSnKA74VM1kqdF3TNyuZUsMARIwuvBD8JiU9Cq4lpGjSBif rBR8ff4XvaI.ceIo52KiIKk2aQIl5oiJafxIZhx3KP_WxtWPWKDi4fH3_ydP o4qd8vpEsrY34whuQ9fZRLFtQSudpkUd_Uyf26xCXWM1UAfNZYPmA8FG0A4S eiEv93iafVL_nJ4zT4VG1YqYF6lqRuutZeig5AOp_eF3AedBzzyBv9Ca9sJv N7e88r53H8n3vRS1K2KQtayC8NnyTDxtAB3taVnl6xnY1RPmEz6Tf.Bu8PIL deqA20qMCqiqx0ObNcKnBZhl8PfGwzqdzpc6XC.7IsqLRTuij57I- Received: from [12.202.173.2] by web120020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: George Sanders To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Xircom realport in 8.1-RELEASE - how do I determine proper cbb.start_memory ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:25:28 -0000 It appears that many PCMCIA network cards no longer work in FreeBSD - this is documented here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115623 However there appears to be a workaround, wherein one sets their hw.cbb.start_memory value manually. Suggested values for xircom cards are: sysctl hw.cbb.start_memory=0xf4800000 sysctl hw.cbb.start_memory=0x30000000 However, neither of these values work for me, and I continue to get this kind of error: dc1: No station address in CIS! etc. I am happy to use this workaround, I just wonder how do I determine the proper value for this sysctl ? My xl0 network interface works, and I see that its settings are: port 0xec80-0xecff mem 0xf8fffc00-0xf8fffc7f How do I compute the proper sysctl setting for my xircom realport cards ? (I have two of them to insert simultaneously) Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 19:27:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55816106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396D58FC21 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QKPm1g0030S2fkCAFKTQbR; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:27:24 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QKTN1g0061f6R9u8VKTPi2; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:27:24 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:27:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:27:22 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110327192722.GB32087@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.2.3i X-Composer: Vim 7.3 Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:27:25 -0000 On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 11:57:46 PDT Chris Brennan wrote: >On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: > >Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: >> > >> > Personally, I prefer vim. ;) >> > >> >> +1 >> >> Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. IMO, vim Integrates >> quite well with the shell, make, etc. >> >> >vim is all one needs ... once I sat down and learned the basics of vim/vi I >stopped installing nano, I feel much more comfortable in vim now then any >other editor, even notepad. gvim on my *one* windows machine and vim >everywhere else makes me very happy. As Chip said, vi/vim integrates nicely with the shell and other development tools. Along with those tools, it provides a flexible and powerful development environment. It just doesn't do it in the way most people think of when they talk about "IDEs". If the OP is looking for something more like Visual Studio or Xcode, however, then I would repeat my suggestion to look at anjuta and geany. Codelite and Code::Blocks might also be worth considering. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 19:40:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513971065687 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A5D8FC17 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so1866346qyk.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1EpIkNFBIec+w9bQjxzooGL4gAImvl2LGHvc78lxMgg=; b=ReQJWq25aPQog51wy7vCSuXL+iufezXCnWa2lyf7cJ7G72BYcvLQHTpb/dtUPpWmuc 0Zv0y0ATWsSqReeV88rN0tOcVHTlM+CVd7tHIligYlPbGns5zbSAycHdV0y9g8Ta6pOl 8GD6tlHwBrIpULQr4CcnKQHRenr7gzU0Usvbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ujr24v1LYLJr4iTXG4jMqGqKLkBcitj2lnKdewOlCd2RT3HGzmCkZwbG7iZlc0kakd 4/aEO+3HiElEnUGdpHeATzWcdf/7Gc32wp3z7FnDHCfJgSmuxjnfHA/PHpKgw6J849AF lkhLG8m8ZPKWYUl5MJFV+agVfydpCrXK5wNXk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.64.160 with SMTP id e32mr2487542qci.217.1301254838093; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.235.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110327184837.GA36228@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20110327184837.GA36228@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:40:38 +0400 Message-ID: From: Subbsd To: Erik Trulsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why vim ports have personal KNOBS for options X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:40:39 -0000 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Erik Trulsson wr= ote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:19:44PM +0400, Subbsd wrote: >> Ive wanted to ask why the option of vim port has not yet been handed >> via dialog by default. Personally, to make them work, we must define >> WITH_OPTIONS=3Dyes in make.conf (or WITH_VIM_OPTIONS=3Dyes). Life withou= t >> it is so difficult ;) > > Because the maintainer of the vim port has a dislike for the OPTIONS > framework. > I expected to hear that just so happened historically. =F4ext question I ask only to satisfy my interest. What OPTIONS framework basically can someone not like it? =E3hat are the disadvantages compared to " grep define /usr/ports///Makefile "? Maybe the other of thousand maintainrs something not know about it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 20:01:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31F8106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B748FC14 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-86-215.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.86.215]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88773CADD; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2RK13K9002575; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:01:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:01:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Brennan Message-Id: <20110327220103.1ddeaf24.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chip Camden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:01:06 -0000 On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:57:46 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: > > Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: > > > > > > Personally, I prefer vim. ;) > > > > > > > +1 > > > > Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. IMO, vim Integrates > > quite well with the shell, make, etc. > > > > > vim is all one needs ... once I sat down and learned the basics of vim/vi I > stopped installing nano, I feel much more comfortable in vim now then any > other editor, even notepad. gvim on my *one* windows machine and vim > everywhere else makes me very happy. You can use vi/vim (or any other favourite editor) together with good Makefiles, a bunch of nicely arranged terminals and some command aliases to get a good "IDE" (which maybe doesn't even deserve the name, but can be a tool for a similar purpose). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 20:27:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087791065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from csanyipal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867CB8FC13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2567162bwz.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=rzcWCo9UHBDHQGa8nR4PNmxTjJG0wgiIF62yM/k6uXo=; b=dH4RbGUrRtKuaolQTuZZ3NB889Z/DrN9in4YlusDTACJc6oYLzA8i725d4bGsmqNO1 pr5E9mH5wHH9e8nsFM4NykzWG5UbcTCXODFA2l8L5JvOxMKrGZFN4dB/rmZjjpqchVWx kbP0X07LOi54bDkwCnWq5fWw1Qe7PqbWRvl+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=wI9OGYRs9xgLRjdhDhyi+qzTcFwv+NZpwywFcHVJM2I5s77G/G/K/VUJfMEYn3bxoH hj0OUO29WX3Qws6drjmwznAwIlLs7xWLcpdkN1PfwcVnSac91VonVpnGd8jp3OXhR9cK nLjlSGUsoLS6W4DFGq/vyVoppAcnnArSjg9Xk= Received: by 10.204.151.204 with SMTP id d12mr2754303bkw.127.1301257660353; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-asztal.excito (194-170-85-95.dynamic.stcable.net [95.85.170.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm2178760bkf.20.2011.03.27.13.27.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Csanyi Pal To: Chris Brennan References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:27:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Chris Brennan's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:54:16 -0400") Message-ID: <874o6ofgw9.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:27:42 -0000 Chris Brennan writes: > 2011/3/27 Paul Chany > This same piece of mail, you sent a few hours ago frrom this very same > e-mail address with a different name .... Yes, because when I sent the mail first time using my gmail address, I get not the mail back from the list so I was wonder what could be wrong. So I subscribe once again on the list with my other address (csanyipal@stcable.net) because I was thinking that that maybe the mailing list don't accept mails from Gmail. Sorry.. -- Regards, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 20:43:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06131065670 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7E98FC0C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29034 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2011 20:43:11 -0000 Received: from s5.stradamotorsports.com (HELO w16.stradamotorsports.com) (jcw@[64.81.163.123]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Mar 2011 20:43:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4D8FA15E.4020002@speakeasy.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:43:10 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can't Boot 8.2 with Gmirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:11 -0000 Once upon a time, I partitioned two disks identically and then added them to a mirror. It was good. Then I upgraded to 8.2-RELEASE and now I can't boot. Well, I did a little recovery work and I am currently booting without the gmirror so I am satisfied that my data is safe. Having read a few messages it sounds like there are some steps I need to take to fix up my partitioning scheme to make things work right in 8.2-RELEASE. But since gotchas got me once, what are the gotchas? Should I partition before adding a disk to a mirror? Unfortunately, one of the messages that I read said, "There's no fix as yet." so I am quite leary of proceeding without a little help from my friends. Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 20:52:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47569106566B for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2011D8FC12 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 52600E806C2; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:52:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110327205251.GA12388@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: keyboard click driver:: User-side. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:52:56 -0000 Guys, I have been interested in having a FreeBSD version of the SunOS "click" utility for decades. --I first discovered that my Sun 3/80 let the keys sound a brief click sound, much softer than ye-olden IBM Selectrics, around 1988-9. I do need the audio feedback. The folks in the wizard sector at Ubuntu turned me onto a python script of about 30 pages of code called "keymon.py" written by a Scott Kirkwood. The present keymon displays certain graphics when certain keys are hit. Scott does think that his script can include the click sound that I have. My program is in C, it opens the /dev/dsp and output a click via click.h. I am learning python and find it pretty straightforward. I think using Scott's keyboard program with mine can allow me to do just what I want. On the user-side, have clicky keys where necessary. This feedback would help folks using the severely cheep keyboards that are on the notebook class as well as even cheaper laptops for children whose keyboards are nothing put cardboard wrapped in plastic. Typing on a _real_ keyboard can be satisfactory. But when you try it on one of these crappy types, forget it. Just doing several random tests, my fingers do not connect with more than 60-65% of the keys on my EEE-900A. bEcause my shoulder is partly out of socket i can only type so much, so the more people who can check out keymon.py and let me know if it is worth porting to FBSD, the better. Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 21:02:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D9106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B708FC14 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3659968iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.53.138 with SMTP id vq10mr5481208icb.82.1301259776028; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.144.202 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874o6ofgw9.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <874o6ofgw9.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Csanyi Pal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:02:57 -0000 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Csanyi Pal wrote: Chris Brennan writes: > > > 2011/3/27 Paul Chany > > > This same piece of mail, you sent a few hours ago frrom this very same > > e-mail address with a different name .... > > Yes, because when I sent the mail first time using my gmail address, I > get not the mail back from the list so I was wonder what could be wrong. > > So I subscribe once again on the list with my other address > (csanyipal@stcable.net) because I was thinking that that maybe the > mailing list don't accept mails from Gmail. Sorry.. > > -- > Regards, Paul > > > > Your mail made it though but the list does not 'mail-back' your e-mail ... i.e. you do not see your own post until someone replies to it. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 21:46:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E22B106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C634E8FC0C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2599360bwz.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type; bh=fXdEt3DSfuK36SP1dq6xJbAWG5jrDQ8qK9LmEugq2u0=; b=d3Xtxbr8a4Dj2ofsfSUX5PzeD3aGpekkxn7xBaErhWEyrTF541xeiyNWTiRiCluEJZ Jc7qwbvcWeZFXHX0Ozw810FrI6RH1dSRZNvevor37t0urhTtP950DQCpmnQk8v4lLiLq DWZI+fqwhXS1Ec29YSKr6wmUh+cG1TzfQ8RaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=aiO8Hki6c6kBmOrCg8DhYcnIBSPd7tGgHM5k/L4NK9righYfRNW84mVzGDWbls0kLG 4ZcwcKG7GF5yCK4dUgdpcf45JGAO+PJnq4R3XYjVi2JFci4/LLpz5R3UaV+jJVQKOWJM h+A1GkTqXi1Oe//oiMG0h80648E6qfkybRrqM= Received: by 10.204.82.166 with SMTP id b38mr2830612bkl.207.1301260743819; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.elkotek ([88.229.145.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm2207929bkf.8.2011.03.27.14.19.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D8FA9C0.3020902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:18:56 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?G=F6k=BAin_Akdeniz?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; tr-TR; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> In-Reply-To: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF49676CF6E77084C1BE79777" Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:46:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF49676CF6E77084C1BE79777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public= > server that run already a Debian operating system? >=20 You can keep a mirror of a FreeBSD server but storage and bandwith consumption depends on what you want to "mirror". I guess you will consume all your bandwith with copying of all packages from the FreeBSD main/mirror sites to your local server. Instead of working with packages, I suggest working with ports. As you have already installed a base system, you can install anything with ports= =2E --=20 G=F6k=BAin Akdeniz (G=F6k=BAin Akdeniz) Anahtar parmakizi =3D FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi: 2011-06-08] --------------enigF49676CF6E77084C1BE79777 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNj6nEAAoJEOdY9JqKXfiusJAP/0IHMP4c5rK9AbbMgMLHzp2H qTeQoV6VpJkW+7k6Pl9WD9VOkicZOiZsMxfH/la7Xalx2YCyxwG43MliplrD+XTE d5CRsJQRKDa+R/RhxgySJboT2DzGu6G14w2pOqQjuWKUhci5IBnoVqWieZFlflPt L0EcfAcvrgi+Xdo7jsLV7rq/n1ucxjUSjDu0o6/ThbjvJn6uriiHi+10PBXDvihb 6pjbP4M1z8Qc1Tp8Ge7c5VPOC6J9zDd66Qtnl6CcJSjbtE61TIz/qmmutGxqMgmu 5zOZoQCp5Q5OfU0Q0Av1pCnegHMDY2HY9BXjJGCBHiQHwDmLavBVvSf42CLCXCn1 C4TYLlZtrsBE5znIFIMv+PlNWoooymKHR34DLXR3pYEbECuZAbAzcxUJH0JlJDZa lUjXUWQ9Tj1VqIEeXUmymS6l5y/xgSgamYH5o+ED7+lubM/qVRx2YsSJ35WFk9+W muVMssee/a2ygBGp/oTdoXf7tmz40sJwEbvsf/b8uYBF3vHAEE6tWIIaMf1j9sum k9Y6zg5E/268I5H6QL0lQ2D12b6ndkgu5nsuMPlkXz+oDvO6CaLPBBuUGyakVNCX EsvPWncHGhrAvfPXkJ4Gg6vTusChgVYuoUgO+SL+MAi/f8rDXB4UgWDJgDt7B0X5 /kIJw0DEy0DIfq+VH1p6 =BI9Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF49676CF6E77084C1BE79777-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 22:49:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447AC10657CB for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051C68FC15 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p2RMnCh9073186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p2RMnCDf073185; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA23136; Sun, 27 Mar 11 14:46:36 PST Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:46:25 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: xaero@xaerolimit.net, csanyipal@gmail.com Message-Id: <4d8fbe41.cd3kK03okF6rdrxO%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <874o6ofgw9.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:49:14 -0000 Chris Brennan wrote: > ... the list does not 'mail-back' your e-mail ... > i.e. you do not see your own post until someone replies to it. ... unless you go to the subscription page and select the option to be sent your own posts :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 23:07:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DCF106566C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B78FC15 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28091703E; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:07:12 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4D8FC320.6@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:07:12 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kouichiro Iwao References: <4D8CE607.9030505@hdk5.net> <20110327141148.GA4395@club.kyutech.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <20110327141148.GA4395@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: allBSD Japan servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:07:14 -0000 Kouichiro Iwao wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:59:19AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> Anybody know what happened to the http; or ftp servers for allbsd.org >> japan? Did the Tsumnami put them down? > > allbsd.org is hosted by Tokyo University of Science. Probably, servers > are still there but down due to lack of electricity. Numbers of power > plants are damaged by earthquake. > > We provide just a portsnap server, portsnap.club.kyutech.ac.jp. Consider > using it instead of allbsd's if you want. > Aloha, Thanks for the message. I hope you all have better days soon. Thanks... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 23:38:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFC9106564A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAF48FC0A for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so3129552wwc.31 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:38:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W80Pqu51EriVrxSsj1BfuB8kv8TuvmQCS2GAz0EhGyo=; b=GroTgVYKpg/djAN9qtyxTx74Oqe4DiPDWzAKBWAnjM76FACQurC4t2p6YRJDBOgvfk Sb50M2AcwWHC3MQdOnEsVUyeKno1R8Yeep1uucWyayJGSqeivyyPE3DZNZ9iRFrmoqun zjWvBal3pWol/upxx0FRSf/zCXHCkGH2gLyXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Ut6aOYsEnirUjWo4HR3cvKspjVavh01v8TXovrtmTtspiQJ1+BuV+pdcbtNMXBMe9y q0bar86nqxmgXtuVf/rn0RttqhwPY2RWdxQwrMH+TMjc9boJ+3vUM8MUQTreWqmw70i3 29sLk6E5KrkWvBJ6L2t6HhWGY3OrbfSGE10ck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.147.194 with SMTP id m2mr3298261wbv.145.1301269082724; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.148 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:38:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:38:02 +0400 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Chip Camden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:38:04 -0000 If you use VI, be sure to install http://insenvim.sourceforge.net/ :))) Intellisense is the difference between IDE and text editor On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: > > Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: > > > > > > Personally, I prefer vim. ;) > > > > > > > +1 > > > > Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. IMO, vim Integrates > > quite well with the shell, make, etc. > > > > > vim is all one needs ... once I sat down and learned the basics of vim/vi I > stopped installing nano, I feel much more comfortable in vim now then any > other editor, even notepad. gvim on my *one* windows machine and vim > everywhere else makes me very happy. > > -- > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 02:18:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276191065673 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54708FC15 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3878444iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OFg+lpv9yHM9VER844PLDvKOfYhpNI4voag4L9Gs+gs=; b=EcqVAE+ZWW3lmjrX7/8fAM/aRORBX19lcSoH7ZOWfgYC8hTUFGVb+NeNYGe9/qtOYV 4Li7QrB1ouwDZMlzyKKyzIYXEQe0FoCKj9diDCDIu/GnjRV8gy3DEOUcRFP/7kmLiS67 O3nZGRs4cfFPNsC3YqaTwhdWxTQ3piGqwUE7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lyTNlJi+qQfeO8WTsMrdLn3fHb8GYUXbmTrgDKbkNqhKLvUqEatLeR2LXSuUjN5+KK QqH05dA0tOCP86xxGoT8EPOsZ9ALXBzqRv3MDhkLMSd0OdoCfRyODk5ilKGg0hRyU+6P hw5tk2sRIJD5E/d11AqEizGO+5qEpSb98pTMY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.226.8 with SMTP id iu8mr1033487icb.249.1301278694490; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: change hostname X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:18:15 -0000 hey guys, I setup a FreeBSD 8.2 box to server as an LDAP server. I forgot that I had a TLS cert with a different hostname than the one I selected. So I edited /etc/rc.conf to change the name there defaultrouter="192.168.1.1" hostname="LBSD2.summitnjhome.com" ## < -- used to be LBSD1.summitnjhome.com ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.44 netmask 255.255.255.0" nfs_client_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" named_enable="YES" slapd_enable="YES" And then edited /etc/hosts ::1 localhost localhost.summitnjhome.com 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.summitnjhome.com 192.168.1.44 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com LBSD2 ## <-- used to be LBSD1.summitnjhome.com 192.168.1.44 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. ## <<-- Same then i restarted the network LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/netif restart Stopping Network: lo0 bge0 plip0. lo0: flags=8048 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 nd6 options=3 bge0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8009b ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active plip0: flags=8810 metric 0 mtu 1500 Starting Network: lo0 bge0. lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=3 bge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8009b ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb inet 192.168.1.44 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier However when I issue the hostname -f command it does not reflect the change. It doesn't even show the fqdn LBSD2# hostname -f LBSD2 What am I doing wrong, here? thanks! -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 02:42:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A25106566B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LukeD@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com [64.74.157.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1024B8FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9822C5A8F for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :reply-to:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= sasl; bh=75VLiMO4MAc/UeN3+5jQ2CEwt3g=; b=OcVycoekP10Ff5WI8iqWx1+ m+Ob07bi2KhJZtgOrEWy4LPOAsDdhy7vityZLssJGkLVgTjjJHHzv2mYIntrlXU3 bX++X7iJpQg/tf76rLjP2L3lowA38JNLKlr2LwLB+OC3b/XY4z8hVXaQi6BFVbB2 VizgH/zHQ46iOr5P42qA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :reply-to:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q= dns; s=sasl; b=RPCdTUwqw6g6oPQ/uxmAmEOIiB7ynM3sy3v4dc32zMlGYCgY9 9KSJjox665yahiT9DSsqrM/YyHJNLmNAUPL/73d48OFFIgH4uCUUWKXc8+nvvKcC dicT8GKgS7NUGqvenH6Qnj8jIJ7QsLditjpwp+uKetd7yRgRKVar2KbcHE= Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749CE5A8D for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.100] (unknown [50.35.181.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3C8A5A8C for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Luke Dean X-X-Sender: lukas@tower.lukas.is-a-geek.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Pobox-Relay-ID: A87EE04E-58E2-11E0-95FC-E8AB60295C12-96347044!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com Subject: kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem refers to what? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Luke Dean List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:42:35 -0000 I've recently set up gjournal on top of gmirror on FreeBSD 8.2. I understand that this setup has a lot of redundant writing. It is working, but I'm not sure I've set it up as efficiently as I should. During prolonged writes, such as copying large files to the file system across the network or producing very large logfiles, the "low_mem" and "skipped_bytes" statisics rise rapidly and the system becomes less responsive. "top" always reports free memory, so I don't think that's the issue. "journal_full" and "wait_for_copy" have never occurred. Here's a sample of what happens after a couple hours of intense writing... kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem: 5379 kern.geom.journal.stats.journal_full: 0 kern.geom.journal.stats.wait_for_copy: 0 kern.geom.journal.stats.switches: 7543 kern.geom.journal.stats.combined_ios: 265318 kern.geom.journal.stats.skipped_bytes: 935712768 "low_mem" sounds like a bad thing. What could I do to remedy that? Did I make the journal too small? The stats say that "journal_full" has never happened, so maybe not? Is there a setting I should tweak? The Handbook says 1GB is good enough most of the time, but it also says that 3x the amount of physical memory is a good size as well. I compromised between the two and made an 8GB journal for this system that has ~4GB of memory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 03:26:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5002B106566C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:26:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noeldude@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425F8FC17 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so1177684ywf.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:26:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qgk3nu+8myNfbD9wdaxthkqDXNyJLUsRpf6qEfQQz5E=; b=pyL/YIlhq+eZSNKDKC3K3FlOUPpaof/PF18gi60ACb1aJHp0QR0Zv4iL9FgqJ44Cvk oyM2rSxU387An8jVu0zlj2gqEqd6eV7FNtua2tQ3ANTYIMwB7q5zPrbdKkzO+8dwhhm5 e1Dt8Wk5p0pghp8tzyqLE6ifZ5Tl3ZGXl4l7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vLUnmjFFP325eHqOUOsimz836zgqJgv0YzbZ8L4ryqf7+bzNiU/Wm53jmeaFjrqJuw wY5MaExngeaesTSR9SaY6c4VD/+KSGWyH2YBLUyaYExsiT0RZVN5aClq4YSw0VJkybND 6ag5nmYyG4fXjP7qo8J5vDgegUfhL1YlUk028= Received: by 10.150.98.17 with SMTP id v17mr3505029ybb.411.1301281236119; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.182] (adsl-87-211-27.bna.bellsouth.net [98.87.211.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm829472ybe.14.2011.03.27.20.00.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D8FF9CF.7080208@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:00:31 -0500 From: Noel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: change hostname X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:26:40 -0000 On 3/27/2011 9:18 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > hey guys, > > I setup a FreeBSD 8.2 box to server as an LDAP server. I forgot that > I had a TLS cert with a different hostname than the one I selected. So > I edited /etc/rc.conf to change the name there > > defaultrouter="192.168.1.1" > hostname="LBSD2.summitnjhome.com" ##< -- used to be LBSD1.summitnjhome.com > ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.44 netmask 255.255.255.0" > nfs_client_enable="YES" > sshd_enable="YES" > named_enable="YES" > slapd_enable="YES" > > > And then edited /etc/hosts > > ::1 localhost localhost.summitnjhome.com > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.summitnjhome.com > 192.168.1.44 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com LBSD2 ##<-- used to be > LBSD1.summitnjhome.com > 192.168.1.44 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. ##<<-- Same > > then i restarted the network > > LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/netif restart > Stopping Network: lo0 bge0 plip0. > lo0: flags=8048 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=3 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > nd6 options=3 > bge0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=8009b > ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT) > status: active > plip0: flags=8810 metric 0 mtu 1500 > Starting Network: lo0 bge0. > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=3 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > nd6 options=3 > bge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=8009b > ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb > inet 192.168.1.44 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > media: Ethernet autoselect (none) > status: no carrier > > > However when I issue the hostname -f command it does not reflect the > change. It doesn't even show the fqdn > > LBSD2# hostname -f > LBSD2 > > What am I doing wrong, here? > > > thanks Try typing the command: # hostname LBSD2.summitnjhome.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 04:00:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F02106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6DC8FC1D for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so3953510iwn.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sfBrZCbomQF/zsszZHA2PaWvp2kmNRSlmkwHfkO8Iw4=; b=pJtL2A+lq10lYI5WcnJHBw/7FHwlWho41SIKlo0Xf3p6lUbmK+cHD01Wmrjp8GIHVF 5DhxtiG1YXbTyHNlI5pZzZRO44C3i9sGeblvfTbINQfeuwqfHYQVLKHNnkJWXFNTANsj d16Yfb4I43GCAle2TJBoYfE9CiDLCBnLpV8nA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=o0rmMTY9K8jwmnzYckGK6MbnO6Cl8ZsAMMejh3up9QXEyHQh6xdySyaG805AXAFc+/ VvRGdcrtkestbPaDIK0MyyFff2nE+UeaN3RcMnOJXDiAwhUjI93w2QbW7AIHf7qnMVIO pC0W18pJ1Dk2mnr7UXcu6ja0nHr79o4Q2dKj4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.200.133 with SMTP id ew5mr5814622icb.182.1301284806466; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D8FF9CF.7080208@gmail.com> References: <4D8FF9CF.7080208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: change hostname X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:00:08 -0000 that did it! thanks On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Noel wrote: > On 3/27/2011 9:18 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: >> >> hey guys, >> >> =A0I setup a FreeBSD 8.2 box to server as an LDAP server. I forgot that >> I had a TLS cert with a different hostname than the one I selected. So >> I edited /etc/rc.conf to change the name there >> >> defaultrouter=3D"192.168.1.1" >> hostname=3D"LBSD2.summitnjhome.com" =A0##< =A0-- used to be >> LBSD1.summitnjhome.com >> ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.1.44 =A0netmask 255.255.255.0" >> nfs_client_enable=3D"YES" >> sshd_enable=3D"YES" >> named_enable=3D"YES" >> slapd_enable=3D"YES" >> >> >> And then edited /etc/hosts >> >> ::1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 localhost localhost.summitnj= home.com >> 127.0.0.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 localhost localhost.summitnjhome.c= om >> 192.168.1.44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0LBSD2.summitnjhome.com LBSD2 ##<-- u= sed to be >> LBSD1.summitnjhome.com >> 192.168.1.44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. =A0##<<-- Sa= me >> >> then i restarted the network >> >> LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/netif restart >> Stopping Network: lo0 bge0 plip0. >> lo0: flags=3D8048 =A0metric 0 mtu 16384 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0options=3D3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nd6 options=3D3 >> bge0: flags=3D8802 =A0metric 0 mtu 1500 >> >> =A0options=3D8009b >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: active >> plip0: flags=3D8810 =A0metric 0 mtu 1500 >> Starting Network: lo0 bge0. >> lo0: flags=3D8049 =A0metric 0 mtu 16384 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0options=3D3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nd6 options=3D3 >> bge0: flags=3D8843 =A0metric 0 m= tu >> 1500 >> >> =A0options=3D8009b >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:14:22:38:9e:eb >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet 192.168.1.44 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.= 255 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: Ethernet autoselect (none) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier >> >> >> However when I issue the hostname -f command it does not reflect the >> change. It doesn't even show the fqdn >> >> LBSD2# hostname -f >> LBSD2 >> >> What am I doing wrong, here? >> >> >> thanks > > Try typing the command: > > # hostname LBSD2.summitnjhome.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 04:10:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB809106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5448FC18 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2949630wyf.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:10:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IvT539QayjnEo2tuVS6cUCENKjjTXmZCvyztD5lPhu8=; b=kOfzuNzW1/8JpIze6LM7zPBhXHwaGM3TeWoS6wVzm2AHbw8nX2UAPNeTQwlQAu/fR8 M6oYeVB2XCfZw8IvHejHuD/oAHjy/CMkFBY3PEKKIX98dHfOEeuuf6FFtl12Rwrss+W7 yNybV+jlp2RctUhA448Eis2hBPQnOyu0mMvgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e8NJXMnhooJsnyz9YvjObqaC/Ve5qyPerRCBXH1m+3/kSjv641iVoKornMhBgR6+0W W/3fxDnnW06Wnq7bsPr1qaiFq9DgUWSsE1fBN/QbA9G/bdnjMIv2cNxJ/ZD7MdjG50fE n7Jxh1txS3i727CSNtvbHsUKgyoOi8zQDEHU0= Received: by 10.227.91.77 with SMTP id l13mr3368562wbm.44.1301285456148; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:10:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.197 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:10:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110327184837.GA36228@owl.midgard.homeip.net> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Subbsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why vim ports have personal KNOBS for options X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:10:57 -0000 > I expected to hear that just so happened historically. =D0=A2ext question= I > ask only to satisfy my interest. What OPTIONS framework basically can > someone not like it? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2010-October/063914.html --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 04:19:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D61106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75488FC16 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so4019727iyj.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NE4vpMPMU2BKIcBmapvGmfYkwLlffEttx0FTHs2MBTg=; b=hI8/yn8Bm2eHBfzpsgcJ4b2v4IaXvmzjevJ/gIGNcEhgU40uhPHbjxcEdYP3WqMGn1 AQuaN+RrVn8Q5nxmRLG4Oa0+G7SrIC7kv5u7rYDGUtOtGoy3KyIfBt0lDtyuyxjzF6vG JxrxGHP4Tq7CYE8bdT+lUAQRb/pzRKZ2FJx6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AvyRfA+/OWufAB6/9KoaQHwxnfSyFytTLQRE0HAxO5zfP4wHXu2Y7H2A1GzLh/cYdw qQbZ7Ds9LQqJufpg7hvUTC/2eX0E2L3pY5Az3YJ1alokt804uFvYyxnkTEpP3mtKhwAs H4dvRjd2blXWm+YpcIKu4gKuBNwLhAkFNsQVU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.226.8 with SMTP id iu8mr1190725icb.249.1301285966209; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:19:27 -0000 Hello, I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... this is in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS resolution. In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: // RFC 1912 zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; }; zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; }; My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: $TTL 3D @ IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr.gmail.com. ( 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays serial 8H ; Refresh 2H ; Retry 4W ; Expire 1D) ; Minimum TTL NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. summitnjhome.com. 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: domain summitnjhome.com nameserver 192.168.1.44 nameserver 4.2.2.2 zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" }; then I restart both named and the network service and yet if I were to try forward resolution: LBSD2# host sum1 sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 and then reverse resolution: LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) I have no luck. Any thoughts on this? thanks! -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 04:54:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A04106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B68B8FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p2S56S5i052834; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:06:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:06:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: bluethundr@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:54:11 -0000 > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 > From: Tim Dunphy > Subject: reverse dns in bind9 > > Hello, > > I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... this is > in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS > resolution. > > In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: > > // RFC 1912 > zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; }; > zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; ile "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; > zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; > zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; > zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; }; > > > My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: For starters, this should be in "master/summitnjhome-reerse.db" > > $TTL 3D > @ IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr.gmail.com. ( > 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays serial > 8H ; Refresh > 2H ; Retry > 4W ; Expire > 1D) ; Minimum TTL > NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. > > summitnjhome.com. > 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. > 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. > 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. > 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. > 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. > 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. > 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. > 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. > 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. > 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. > 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. > 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. > 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. > 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. > 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. > 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. > 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. > 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. > 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. > 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. > 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. > 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. > 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. > > > and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: > > domain summitnjhome.com > nameserver 192.168.1.44 > nameserver 4.2.2.2 > > zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" > }; the 'zone' line you show should *NOT* be in resolv.conf at all. this line should be in the named.conf file *instead* of the one for the '192.in-addr.arpa' zone. > then I restart both named and the network service > > and yet if I were to try forward resolution: > > LBSD2# host sum1 > sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. > LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 > > > and then reverse resolution: > > LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 > Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > I have no luck. Any thoughts on this? see above. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 07:03:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD6B106566C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814FD8FC18 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4091074iwn.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R6KIFl6FGvcspPSJ39cvOQ1nDbLyGSI8l2xZLUZhuhk=; b=pi5Ns144ElT2UfqSErMX/f/u/ojcBa4I36oq8bfDJntGQVwtYJsEGJt+1Sph4TAeCu YrzaHnOIOnc+89QWf2tPnzhiD9qRXJ1FoZsqQQ8c7SPvDYm+eWPFD/m/srsmwSBQ45Ju RhCfFpaVFxauI3ioRA69+jsXYyRER4osyiK5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ErsnhThsHZps0cQEM+FM93epN5RafSsi5JG3zPF9JvujpvQ+vj1ffxFe6nW6R0WV+e 5XhMyVnnUTLdgRLyYVdZOEMXDWdzRkwupWrczDPr51UsAsWyAy8grijLnlIyeUBbRFnw zSUppjBPYM9HevctyGlO9ZaSZnX6iwJ0wjVvs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.136 with SMTP id u8mr5699499icw.403.1301294072459; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.165.3 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:34:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D8F3E88.6060900@alokat.org> <20110327144906.00001be5@unknown> <4D8F4379.6050903@alokat.org> <20110327174752.GA32087@comcast.net> <20110327180749.GA66769@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:34:32 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: Ilya Kazakevich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Brennan Subject: Re: searching for a good IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:03:26 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: > If you use VI, be sure to install http://insenvim.sourceforge.net/ :))) > Intellisense is the difference between IDE and text editor Isn't that the same than Omni Completion[1] already present in Vim >=3D 7? [1] http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Omni_completion > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Chris Brennan wro= te: > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Chip Camden >> wrote: >> >> Quoth Charlie Kester on Sunday, 27 March 2011: >> > > >> > > Personally, I prefer vim. =A0;) >> > > >> > >> > +1 >> > >> > Someone will object that the OP asked for an IDE. =A0IMO, vim Integrat= es >> > quite well with the shell, make, etc. >> > >> > >> vim is all one needs ... once I sat down and learned the basics of vim/v= i I >> stopped installing nano, I feel much more comfortable in vim now then an= y >> other editor, even notepad. gvim on my *one* windows machine and vim >> everywhere else makes me very happy. >> >> -- >> Did you know... >> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, >> >> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0...it installs Windows 2000 >> >> -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 08:48:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D86106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC7D8FC0A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2870394bwz.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BRQl2VSSvTT4QqAGXf+8BFZtyVBpoE/1N5vdiR+zPYQ=; b=MpechPMXwgPhZkX5uJebFE2FExEXknhWHWqCs6vR4H85u0uFzUyY20/ZFE0m6jSQ8A WIROx+4b+PWUmoLHe90zvBEl8OpRpKLNZk+5lvvdGkBsLjXI2AFBWNrJAr3IOJsH8PIC y1s1pJkqCJP97oLIegmGf3Xl6nAKgdXHnZpI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m9DoBMrXM9hF7ZcjrslxwUIcPx1CX9RgyP06oshcMasizFfI1QNNCgTGrHaQ1owHds yJnHJ/uctrFKQ2uu/slVDb9VPGG8nQza/D8P3VH4rZ2MEa8PRJ9yHHocgcGNPaXjFKVm uVa7RLCiDXpPWenpZnui9CppTl0mC6ON6sgmY= Received: by 10.204.180.80 with SMTP id bt16mr3434150bkb.184.1301302094243; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (wifi-osiris-sec-183-249.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.183.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rb14sm2479023bkb.9.2011.03.28.01.48.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D904AFF.1070707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:46:55 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110306 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110327184837.GA36228@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: why vim ports have personal KNOBS for options X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:48:16 -0000 On 27/03/2011 21:40, Subbsd wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:19:44PM +0400, Subbsd wrote: >>> Ive wanted to ask why the option of vim port has not yet been handed >>> via dialog by default. Personally, to make them work, we must define >>> WITH_OPTIONS=yes in make.conf (or WITH_VIM_OPTIONS=yes). Life without >>> it is so difficult ;) >> >> Because the maintainer of the vim port has a dislike for the OPTIONS >> framework. >> > > > I expected to hear that just so happened historically. ôext question I > ask only to satisfy my interest. What OPTIONS framework basically can > someone not like it? > ãhat are the disadvantages compared to " grep define > /usr/ports///Makefile "? Maybe the other of > thousand maintainrs something not know about it? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" bapt@ made a proposal to improve the OPTION framework and it will be reviewed by portmgr@ soon. This will include a improvment that obrien@ disliked much : when you have WITHOUT_NLS=true in your /etc/make.conf any port that use OPTIONS framework will not honour this knob and this is obviously painful. The bapt@ patch correct this, so the the new OPTION framework will read these KNOBS (but of course there is more coming) Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 09:53:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED277106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info (arpnet.drenet.info [174.136.104.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90508FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from desktop.drenet.local (c-98-198-250-213.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.198.250.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andre@drenet.info) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28AB49B810 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:37:32 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:37:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andre Goree" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.01 (Win32) Subject: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:53:54 -0000 Hello, Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the kernel rebuild and reboot. At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without rebuilding world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date sources and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? Thanks in advance. Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 11:21:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFE8106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5539B8FC19 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so4400604iyj.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:21:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m3oek0uNT9NScjcjge65SyGEyZ5m4QiEldPIze1SrJ8=; b=iyp1cq6L774onkA4l62glCw2A1y/nvdUiaW+Pd5b+OsSWQYgX7x2H4TZ3vsu5970rV d/2wiAAnYEbTKLNcy5tmPzAtZ6QFVu6aUxBaBRXZcWsbuGg+hPwXVNTjtoYkP0PJvzSe AgrJsCeCcPKWN9s3xsvmS04//7Qpvxjm8bllI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x2faW9ll+Tyv1WaxxHYz7RvpKKvxj/A1Fc+47GanaHTOIcbAeoVTg1YHR2S0LcRxwX DYR0Z+iPFevVhn5puCVrjaLEE11T5/UPD3eJExidLPKC5WOrTKDQWggW39YyaqflQUok NpsZ/r7s96MovzHWPyq7+HqOlO1h7l8jx28eU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.200.133 with SMTP id ew5mr6418305icb.182.1301311295627; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:21:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:36 -0000 Hello, Thanks for your reply! I took your advice and removed that line from resolv.conf and added it into /etc/named/named.conf Now it looks like this // RFC 1912 zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; = }; zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db"; = }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db= "; }; And I did a restart of both network and named but the issue remains: LBSD2# host 192.168.1.44 Host 44.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Robert Bonomi w= rote: > >> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 >> From: Tim Dunphy >> Subject: reverse dns in bind9 >> >> Hello, >> >> =A0I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... this = is >> =A0in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS >> =A0resolution. >> >> =A0In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: >> >> // RFC 1912 >> zone "localhost" =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; }= ; >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; ile "master/localhost-reverse.db"= ; }; >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-reverse= .db"; }; >> zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; }; >> >> >> My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: > > For starters, this should be in "master/summitnjhome-reerse.db" >> >> $TTL 3D >> @ =A0 =A0 =A0 IN =A0 =A0 =A0SOA =A0 =A0 ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr= .gmail.com. ( >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 201103271 ; Serial, toda= ys date + todays serial >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 8H =A0 =A0 =A0; Refresh >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2H =A0 =A0 =A0; Retry >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4W =A0 =A0 =A0; Expire >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1D) =A0 =A0 ; Minimum TT= L >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NS =A0 =A0 =A0ns1.summit= njhome.com. >> >> summitnjhome.com. >> 42 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> 43 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. >> 45 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 46 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. >> 47 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. >> 23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. >> 24 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. >> 21 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. >> 26 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. >> 27 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. >> 28 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. >> 29 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. >> 30 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. >> 31 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. >> 32 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. >> 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. >> 34 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. >> 35 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. >> 36 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. >> 37 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. >> 38 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. >> 39 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. >> 40 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. >> 41 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. >> >> >> and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: >> >> domain =A0summitnjhome.com >> nameserver =A0 =A0 192.168.1.44 >> nameserver =A0 =A0 4.2.2.2 >> >> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >> "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" >> }; > > the 'zone' line =A0you show should *NOT* be in resolv.conf at all. > this line should be in the =A0named.conf file *instead* of the one for > the '192.in-addr.arpa' zone. > >> then I restart both named and the network service >> >> and yet if I were to try forward resolution: >> >> LBSD2# host sum1 >> sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 >> >> >> and then reverse resolution: >> >> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 >> Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >> >> I have no luck. Any thoughts on this? > > see above. > > > > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 11:58:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64050106566B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395EA8FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4B5q-00061B-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:58:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: timp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1301313526493-4267472.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <4D8EC168.7060905@rawbw.com> References: <4D8EC168.7060905@rawbw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipmi is broken? (ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:58:47 -0000 May be you haven`t IPMI device on your motherboard. Which MB model do you use? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ipmi-is-broken-ppc0-cannot-reserve-I-O-port-range-tp4266087p4267472.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 12:26:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5301065780 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902B98FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10112457; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:26:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10112454; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4D907E7C.3030901@radel.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:26:36 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020406030106070302090604" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: bluethundr@gmail.com Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:26:56 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020406030106070302090604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/28/11 7:21 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > > Hello, > > Thanks for your reply! > > I took your advice and removed that line from resolv.conf and added > it into /etc/named/named.conf > > Now it looks like this > > // RFC 1912 > zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.d= b"; }; > zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.d= b"; }; > zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; > zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-revers= e.db"; }; > > And I did a restart of both network and named but the issue remains: > > > LBSD2# host 192.168.1.44 > Host 44.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > Nowhere do you mention that you moved all the PTR records into the=20 192.in-addr.arpa zone where they belong, as noted by Robert Bonomi. And = why did you change > zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > >> "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" > >> }; > to zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file=20 "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; when your PTR lines only give the last octet? Where do you expect the=20 "168.1" to come from? --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms020406030106070302090604-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 12:28:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F05C106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreev.peter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143A08FC1B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so1285678gyg.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:28:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zDbjmLah+jYQFE7Qq7g7sTxThKAgj3fr+m3nQoKhboU=; b=JkwZ5F2P+/HWlQYrRYZBZujNg8QYU0ZPTEA4+AMBH6/xi8k9hpn0smKIvVNLT7djsf oS0DZKDlxHY/8gSSCmsNlMAfGAoFL6CSwmzUOu2FNyDOTpnEgwlJBLYPsaD669zUmq0f tN9mfaaPoqH8LhqVbtXZWiEs5hqhDX2TkZ/Lc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=yD396Cr40RNlGa6wwNp78jNbLVIQSpGNr9wH2MW+aYH+OmP3otzQ4UEgVk3qHto4/y MpD7g7bgQfNpROrJxbRJp/Th02rzVO+cjVcZyoJL4d08e8obLidHnfLKekQV4jiOx9S6 DK3MZrpjVToCvXjRerWyw+5cT4/axiMgx4MxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.65.2 with SMTP id s2mr3699777agk.190.1301313687418; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.79.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:01:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:01:27 +0400 Message-ID: From: Peter Andreev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:28:49 -0000 2011/3/28 Tim Dunphy > Hello, > > Thanks for your reply! > > I took your advice and removed that line from resolv.conf and added > it into /etc/named/named.conf > > Now it looks like this > > // RFC 1912 > zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; > }; > zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db"; > }; > zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; > zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; > Robert said that you should replace 192.in-addr.arpa with 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa in your named.conf. Your named.conf should be look like the following: zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; }; zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; > And I did a restart of both network and named but the issue remains: > > > LBSD2# host 192.168.1.44 > Host 44.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 > >> From: Tim Dunphy > >> Subject: reverse dns in bind9 > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... this is > >> in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS > >> resolution. > >> > >> In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: > >> > >> // RFC 1912 > >> zone "localhost" { type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"; }; > >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; ile > "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; > >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; > >> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; > >> zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; > }; > >> > >> > >> My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: > > > > For starters, this should be in "master/summitnjhome-reerse.db" > >> > >> $TTL 3D > >> @ IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr.gmail.com. ( > >> 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays serial > >> 8H ; Refresh > >> 2H ; Retry > >> 4W ; Expire > >> 1D) ; Minimum TTL > >> NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. > >> > >> summitnjhome.com. > >> 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. > >> 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > >> 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. > >> 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > >> 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. > >> 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. > >> 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. > >> 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. > >> 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. > >> 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. > >> 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. > >> 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. > >> 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. > >> 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. > >> 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. > >> 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. > >> 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. > >> 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. > >> 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. > >> 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. > >> 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. > >> 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. > >> 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. > >> 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. > >> 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. > >> > >> > >> and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: > >> > >> domain summitnjhome.com > >> nameserver 192.168.1.44 > >> nameserver 4.2.2.2 > >> > >> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > >> "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" > >> }; > > > > the 'zone' line you show should *NOT* be in resolv.conf at all. > > this line should be in the named.conf file *instead* of the one for > > the '192.in-addr.arpa' zone. > > > >> then I restart both named and the network service > >> > >> and yet if I were to try forward resolution: > >> > >> LBSD2# host sum1 > >> sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. > >> LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 > >> > >> > >> and then reverse resolution: > >> > >> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 > >> Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > >> > >> I have no luck. 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I totally get it now and sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm really looking forward to getting this working but might not get a chance to try this again until this evening. time. where does it go? don't know but I certainly appreciate yourst! On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Peter Andreev wr= ote: > 2011/3/28 Tim Dunphy > >> Hello, >> >> =A0Thanks for your reply! >> >> =A0I took your advice and removed that line from resolv.conf and added >> it into /etc/named/named.conf >> >> =A0Now it looks like this >> >> =A0// RFC 1912 >> zone "localhost" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-fo= rward.db"; >> }; >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db= "; >> }; >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >> "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; >> > > Robert said that you should replace 192.in-addr.arpa with > 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa in your named.conf. > > Your named.conf should be look like the following: > > zone "localhost" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-for= ward.db"; > }; > zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db"= ; > }; > zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; > zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file > "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; > > > >> =A0And I did a restart of both network and named but the issue remains: >> >> >> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.44 >> Host 44.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Robert Bonomi >> wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 >> >> From: Tim Dunphy >> >> Subject: reverse dns in bind9 >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> =A0I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... th= is is >> >> =A0in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS >> >> =A0resolution. >> >> >> >> =A0In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: >> >> >> >> // RFC 1912 >> >> zone "localhost" =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db"= ; }; >> >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; ile >> "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; >> >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >> >> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >> "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; >> >> zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; >> }; >> >> >> >> >> >> My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: >> > >> > For starters, this should be in "master/summitnjhome-reerse.db" >> >> >> >> $TTL 3D >> >> @ =A0 =A0 =A0 IN =A0 =A0 =A0SOA =A0 =A0 ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethu= ndr.gmail.com. ( >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 201103271 ; Serial, t= odays date + todays serial >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 8H =A0 =A0 =A0; Refre= sh >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2H =A0 =A0 =A0; Retry >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4W =A0 =A0 =A0; Expir= e >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1D) =A0 =A0 ; Minimum= TTL >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NS =A0 =A0 =A0ns1.sum= mitnjhome.com. >> >> >> >> summitnjhome.com. >> >> 42 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 43 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 45 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 46 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 47 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. >> >> 23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent01.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 24 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent02.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 21 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent03.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 26 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent04.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 27 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent05.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 28 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent06.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 29 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent07.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 30 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent08.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 31 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent09.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 32 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent10.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent11.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 34 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent12.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 35 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent13.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 36 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent14.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 37 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent15.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 38 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent16.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 39 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent17.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 40 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent18.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> 41 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent19.summitnjhome.co= m. >> >> >> >> >> >> and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: >> >> >> >> domain =A0summitnjhome.com >> >> nameserver =A0 =A0 192.168.1.44 >> >> nameserver =A0 =A0 4.2.2.2 >> >> >> >> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >> >> "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" >> >> }; >> > >> > the 'zone' line =A0you show should *NOT* be in resolv.conf at all. >> > this line should be in the =A0named.conf file *instead* of the one for >> > the '192.in-addr.arpa' zone. >> > >> >> then I restart both named and the network service >> >> >> >> and yet if I were to try forward resolution: >> >> >> >> LBSD2# host sum1 >> >> sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> >> LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 >> >> >> >> >> >> and then reverse resolution: >> >> >> >> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 >> >> Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >> >> >> >> I have no luck. Any thoughts on this? >> > >> > see above. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> GPG me!! >> >> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > -- > AP > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 14:33:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B8A106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from csanyipal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF64C8FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3126950bwz.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AIDA9w5LdzJO2zHWsx92xqM/r9B+X6/poUvpMUWrYtE=; b=b6rkGUAWR8FObwhMeQqCa3GC3LvVyoEU+Tzjy7CG5eWBQc90VZZ6EcJhzNJmOPUwNr i/TBMDSxU6X+q6/dwTG0qogNVTtLTGDBgflbEk0v410F1W02UaxtF+yf1DXgVljrIn8U uB7nlAaRpOjZtv3TiCO4prM/S6Ej++CRNolsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DwopB1PxT5+CA1iX6RRAbpXkm+gRci1FMjtv92zPrENizGfnEc8RqmX+zpYG+KOYIh L8YnOXlkKIIUvRBmCpVGlcI9rWzLycdI3W5G3tovM/ZCPxMi2hVvXVvmwnNKZmdHahfb wuXSRXbRyuuLnMz+GvblcwgJTcJ4m0EMoFc50= Received: by 10.204.81.203 with SMTP id y11mr3648508bkk.124.1301322814455; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-asztal.excito (194-170-85-95.dynamic.stcable.net [95.85.170.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm2710406bkf.20.2011.03.28.07.33.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Csanyi Pal To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <4D8FA9C0.3020902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:33:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4D8FA9C0.3020902@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IkfDtmvFn2lu?= Akdeniz"'s message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:18:56 +0300") Message-ID: <878vvz1fic.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:33:36 -0000 G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz writes: >> So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public >> server that run already a Debian operating system? > Instead of working with packages, I suggest working with ports. As you > have already installed a base system, you can install anything with ports. OK, I tried with 'portsnap fetch' command as root too, but it stall too: Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011: 'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps 02m38s Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :( What can I do to solve this problem? --=20 Regards, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 15:25:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266B3106566C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC858FC16 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4EJV-0006Is-Mv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:25:05 +0200 Received: from 91-64-83-241-dynip.superkabel.de ([91.64.83.241]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:25:05 +0200 Received: from holger by 91-64-83-241-dynip.superkabel.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:25:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Holger Freyther Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 91.64.83.241 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-us) AppleWebKit/534.16+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/534.16+ Epiphany/2.30.6) Subject: Hierachical jails devfs and rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:25:08 -0000 Hi all, in FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE it does not seem to be possible to pass children.max=X to a jail via rc.conf. What would be the best way of doing this? The next issue is what kind of security review/testing is needed to declare nullfs jailsafe but for now I can still bind my paths. My biggest problem right now is the devfs. Is it possible to have /dev statically populated and have it work inside a jail? E.g. an attempt to create /dev/null and have it available to the jail is failing, I was cheating and binding (via nullfs) a /dev from another jail and it started but I am having difficulties when building things from the ports tree and it seems to be /dev related. So really quick question. Is there a way to statically populate the dev tree with the minimum of needed descriptors? A first try with mknod /jail/dev/null c 0... did not seem to work. regards holger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 15:35:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAE6106566B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@claimlynx.com) Received: from na3sys009aog111.obsmtp.com (na3sys009aog111.obsmtp.com [74.125.149.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9871E8FC0C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from source ([209.85.220.176]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob111.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTZCquHkV05ZauXaYYGQJn7cwDXTXIlAm@postini.com; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:35:21 PDT Received: by vxa37 with SMTP id 37so2385877vxa.7 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:35:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.15 with SMTP id dg15mr5560148vdb.228.1301324642206; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.66.129 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Thomas Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Eric Crist Subject: Slow filesystem sync after upgrading from 8.0 to 8.2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:35:22 -0000 Since upgrading one of our servers to FreeBSD 8.2 (from 8.0p2), we have noticed that one of our shell scripts has begun failing. This particular script is run by cron every morning and backs up the configuration files of our routers. The script calls an expect script that connects to the routers and has them push their config to the server using tftp. The script then does some housekeeping on the resulting file. Since upgrading to 8.2, the problem we see is that the file resulting from the tftp operation does not seem to have any contents for ~ 5 seconds after the copy. The script is pasted below. Trouble starts around line 31, when the script greps to see that the hostname of the router exists in the tftp'd file (as a basic verification of the copy). Grep reports back that no match is found. I've found that by inserting a 'sleep 5' instruction before line 31, the grep command works, and the script completes successfully. I have also verified that the tftp transfer is completing before the script continues on to the grep check. For the sake of completeness, I have also included the lines I've added to the script to make it behave, the syslog output showing that the tftp transfer completes when expected, and [relevant] trace output of the script before and after adding the sleep statement. Does anyone have any idea what may have changed between 8.0 and 8.2 to cause this behavior? Nothing directly related to this script changed, aside from the OS upgrade. I'm not too proud to admit that this script isn't the greatest and could be improved; but I would like to know why a script that worked fine before, now fails. Also, if there is something that needs to be tweaked in 8.2, I want to make sure I'm not just fixing a symptom. ##### ##### Script ##### 1 #!/bin/sh 2 3 4 # Program Header 5 echo " NETwork-INFrastructure backup script." 6 echo 7 echo "Started: `date`." 8 echo "Executed from: `hostname`" 9 echo 10 11 12 13 ### Define static variables here 14 15 expect=/usr/local/bin/expect 16 working_dir=/d/net-infrastructure 17 script_dir=$working_dir/scripts 18 starttime=`date '+%s'` 19 backup_error=0 20 too_old=90 21 curr_ts=`date '+%Y%m%d.%H%M%S'` 22 log_file="$working_dir"/`date '+%A'`.log 23 24 25 # Define functions here. 26 27 28 run_backup () { 29 printf "%-38s" "Backing up $1" 30 expect "$script_dir"/"$1".exp >> $log_file 31 grep -qi $1 $working_dir/$1.test 32 if [ $? = 0 ]; then 33 echo "COMPLETE" 34 printf "%-38s" "====> Rotating $1" 35 mv -f "$working_dir"/$1.test "$working_dir"/$1/"$curr_ts".$1.bak >> $log_file 36 if [ $? = 0 ]; then 37 echo "COMPLETE" 38 else 39 echo "...ERROR" 40 backup_error=1 41 fi 42 43 else 44 echo " ERROR" 45 backup_error=1 46 fi 47 } 48 49 50 ######## Program Execution HERE ######### 51 52 # Overwrite existing log file. 53 echo `date` > $log_file 54 55 # If expect doesn't exist on this system, exit 56 57 if [ ! -e "/usr/local/bin/expect" ]; then 58 echo "EXPECT doesn't exist on this system. Please install and try again." > /dev/stderr 59 exit 1 60 fi 61 62 # Call the function run_backup for each host in our system. 63 echo "==============================================" 64 run_backup "router1" 65 run_backup "router2" 66 echo 67 echo "==============================================" 68 69 # Check to see if there were any errors during the execution of our script. 70 # If there are, send message to /dev/stderr and to syslog in /var/log/messages. 71 72 if [ $backup_error = 0 ]; then 73 echo " Cicso Backups complete." 74 else 75 echo " Cisco Backups completed with errors." 76 echo "Cisco backups have failed. Please see log file on `hostname`: $log_file" > /dev/stderr 77 logger "### Cisco Errors ###" 78 logger "Cisco backups have failed. Please see log file $log_file." 79 logger "### Cisco Errors ###" 80 fi 81 echo "==============================================" 82 echo "Removing stale files older than $too_old days." 83 find $working_dir -type f -maxdepth 2 -mtime +${too_old}d -name "*.bak" -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f 84 run_time=$(( `date '+%s'` - "$starttime" )) 85 echo "Run Time: $run_time seconds." ##### ##### Code inserted between lines 30 & 31 ##### 31 logger "$1 backup complete" 32 sleep 5 33 logger "Verifying $1 backup" ##### ##### Syslog output (from working case) ##### Mar 28 09:29:06 server tftpd[66536]: Filename: 'router1.test' Mar 28 09:29:06 server tftpd[66536]: Mode: 'octet' Mar 28 09:29:06 server tftpd[66536]: 10.10.83.247: write request for router1.test: success Mar 28 09:29:06 server tom: router1 backup complete Mar 28 09:29:11 server tom: Verifying router1 backup Mar 28 09:29:14 server tftpd[66548]: Filename: 'router2.test' Mar 28 09:29:14 server tftpd[66548]: Mode: 'octet' Mar 28 09:29:14 server tftpd[66548]: 10.10.83.246: write request for router2.test: success Mar 28 09:29:14 server tom: router2 backup complete Mar 28 09:29:19 server tom: Verifying router2 backup ##### ##### "Broken" trace output ##### + run_backup router1 + printf %-38s 'Backing up router1' Backing up router1 + expect /d/net-infrastructure/scripts/router1.exp + grep -qi router1 /d/net-infrastructure/router1.test + [ 1 = 0 ] + echo ' ERROR' ERROR + backup_error=1 + run_backup router2 + printf %-38s 'Backing up router2' Backing up router2 + expect /d/net-infrastructure/scripts/router2.exp + grep -qi router2 /d/net-infrastructure/router2.test + [ 1 = 0 ] + echo ' ERROR' ERROR + backup_error=1 + echo ##### ##### "Fixed" trace output ##### + run_backup router1 + printf %-38s 'Backing up router1' Backing up router1 + expect /d/net-infrastructure/scripts/router1.exp + logger 'router1 backup complete' + sleep 5 + logger 'Verifying router1 backup' + grep -qi router1 /d/net-infrastructure/router1.test + [ 0 = 0 ] + echo COMPLETE COMPLETE -- Thomas Johnson ClaimLynx, Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 17:06:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4471065674 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF038FC15 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3280969bwz.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qyDf/n8mTF7zP/CR7HNGlckTxGFUTgbOtrioO5nSYVo=; b=DOVFJbapDEo4jlbdQ36AnnjKvIVSw9x9fsUuGO++8wMFWohNMf8gs79BndDGZuwPrn bV6nsQXZ0gwG8Ebb++6f+RP/XOVYCxDuJYeC6gNANAzcebDo7Iy1BpWHL6RV3Mo7vrcu Ok2v8/VWn9AQaJy2S1oHnW66xnZNk79bigWNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=s8vA/vrK83Zs9wr70vjjnlO/1XcSuoqHrOAY4oyn7kvaD7h5Kg4Wf8BMK3j7ISjgmZ sPt3EQ6J6TRdWQP2Yloj7Jo7GZo4nxob6gwW9CNVttCZIbKBfZaqeXvBwfHl5VD2b0gG pMCcpVM6PnklmhFi3HTVt/ISo7G6proqqvw0c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.19.16 with SMTP id y16mr3805787bka.186.1301331993231; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.118.200 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Holger Freyther Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hierachical jails devfs and rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:06:35 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Holger Freyther wrote: > So really quick question. Is there a way to statically populate the dev > tree > with the minimum of needed descriptors? A first try with mknod > /jail/dev/null > c 0... did not seem to work. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-build.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 17:34:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9951065673 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holger@freyther.de) Received: from gandharva.secretlabs.de (gandharva.secretlabs.de [78.46.147.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40AB8FC1C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (91-64-83-241-dynip.superkabel.de [91.64.83.241]) by gandharva.secretlabs.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0941D1B10C09; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D90C264.3050906@freyther.de> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:16:20 +0200 From: Holger Hans Peter Freyther User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Fedora/3.1.9-0.39.b3pre.fc14 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hierachical jails devfs and rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:34:04 -0000 On 03/28/2011 07:06 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Holger Freyther > wrote: > > So really quick question. Is there a way to statically populate the dev tree > with the minimum of needed descriptors? A first try with mknod /jail/dev/null > c 0... did not seem to work. > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-build.html The question is about hierarchical jails. Having jail_NAME_devfs_enable="YES" inside a jail is not working as devfs is not a jail friendly fs. So I mount devfs as part of the /etc/fstab.MYJAIL on 'root' but then by default the whole devfs will be visible to child jails. So my two questions are really: - In rc.conf is there a variable I can use to pass children.max=N to one of the jails? - Is there a way to have a 'default' devfs rule for certain mountpoints? E.g. can a rule be applied at mount time? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 18:21:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA1A106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A2F8FC20 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4030054wwc.31 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type; bh=ZLMEjGFmkWK2VbauzTIveE05zvyCKqekk+ljq6Cwo5s=; b=ecDi6BaqHGerT6RPhQ99p5BsuSus4Okb4N+WdeMhgi4cU0D6T1yCV5ImLEnki6mjlR zelfF+a+5qQa6G7nUn/q15FIK364xwVcyMOwu0/OW3IFOrt7aBi+faCXN65EGnIcVJEB 5+2VDvdbTw8uCercG8nVOG6VkpB1W4WjNtilY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=pd1/74WiFQhc/kYbkKtdCycD2Y5SWECpIAFguHw1M+Gev1PBsLFaJKqNtS2extCDrV qiHQphYhUJ1rsXtgJjUh1PjSRysrIfcNyPyqatnfWsCKh3y1b0RyogHtYf3mPgQVMyvE EKz9HWOJ2W1wwET4yR++kOHbyWq2nex5MtD9E= Received: by 10.227.160.69 with SMTP id m5mr4104517wbx.97.1301336477092; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.elkotek ([78.166.113.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l24sm2119069wbc.64.2011.03.28.11.21.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D90D193.1010907@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:21:07 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a8WfaW4gQWtkZW5peg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; tr-TR; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csanyi Pal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <4D8FA9C0.3020902@gmail.com> <878vvz1fic.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> In-Reply-To: <878vvz1fic.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEFBED4161493E833F34E33C2" Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:21:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEFBED4161493E833F34E33C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011: > 'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps > 02m38s >=20 > Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :( > What can I do to solve this problem? >=20 It looks like a network trouble. If portsnap fails to fetch, stop and kill portsnap process then rerun it. when portsnap fetches all portstree snapshot, run portsnap extract. It will update the ports tree. Another way of getting an upto date ports tree is cvsup. consult the man page of csup(1) -csup is cvsup- and sample configuration files are in /usr/share/example/cvsup directory. I hope that helps. --=20 G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz (G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz) Anahtar parmakizi =3D FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi: 2011-06-08] --------------enigEFBED4161493E833F34E33C2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNkNGYAAoJEOdY9JqKXfiunQAQALRVJf2fwmika6qbMvl0MFEr h9jB6pmEDmOwAiXNjGDLtIociEA94jEOCyCT3EMmvxum/nREG3eN93vORsRrfUD6 ebLPmk8oeDctgHMSi3CiJszl0OBNiSxkr3T6N+vRmrHuOY4bgMOjxueQ1/lRCKzs HhJjX+zzv4AW6Fm0bIZCEdbEL3oMEU9avyjLDb8+UJXXJloJJAjY6ExJJk+uTAun 4Aa1JmqdoNKO341VX60vMY43eer6etakefH50l9R0kMf5UQuO1dM5/Nm+wa9o3SD nmV3A7mbP2JbcVHNryKDBTFRg8L3RU8rxR0udDcTSkRJ6TZrW03YPV6kj3Ic0bCc 8dhhia9DZT5Gqkd/b6qOYwskrU6YjX4rJdgWdzaeZbYb+W7mJbdzCk1XXqjpnXk5 /F58Y5YTVTVdJeO14pOnJ65POl8gSFpnUbR507buyTl265J7aYlZ8O9/AeIbijAt itShhSmgczvW5HwM0fd8UZwOZacuLjtps0WUYR5u9fSiSFI7ePSulKQj4L/4ILMZ DGR3yMN6q3CUVKKZypj4AfUVjkD6ui6KnW6XNIUgCKttk5IPIv3BH7+0cDuiUtEl pXyx1gnmuXVnUTuRAJrB3e9wUBNARl6DS7c1u8/DsTi3zIayq9oOmQ4/jBLLR8tN 2zQcUg2gHN0s7VrIByC3 =jksk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEFBED4161493E833F34E33C2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 18:31:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68471065677 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7D8FC27 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1402264ewy.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.132.201 with SMTP id o49mr1861903eei.132.1301337118153; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.39] In-Reply-To: <4d8fbe41.cd3kK03okF6rdrxO%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <874o6ofgw9.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> <4d8fbe41.cd3kK03okF6rdrxO%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:31:59 -0000 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM, wrote: > Chris Brennan wrote: > >> ... the list does not 'mail-back' your e-mail ... >> i.e. you do not see your own post until someone replies to it. > > ... unless you go to the subscription page and select the option > to be sent your own posts :) ...which likely still won't work on Gmail, because it filters mail-backs by default... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 18:34:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE011106566C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from csanyipal@stcable.net) Received: from mx3.stcable.net (mx3.stcable.net [91.102.224.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963EA8FC12 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx3.stcable.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.stcable.net (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8940F283BC for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.stcable.net (smtp.stcable.net [91.102.225.5]) by mx3.stcable.net (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3F55528271 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.10.77] (194-170-85-95.dynamic.stcable.net [95.85.170.194]) by smtp.stcable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 632C0364F9 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:34:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D90D4A2.5060507@stcable.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:34:10 +0200 From: Paul Chany User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110307 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D8F8177.6070508@stcable.net> <4D8FA9C0.3020902@gmail.com> <878vvz1fic.fsf@debian-asztal.excito> <4D90D193.1010907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D90D193.1010907@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:34:11 -0000 2011-03-28 20:21 keltezéssel, GökÅŸin Akdeniz írta: >> Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011: >> 'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps >> 02m38s >> >> Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :( >> What can I do to solve this problem? >> >> > It looks like a network trouble. If portsnap fails to fetch, stop and > kill portsnap process then rerun it. when portsnap fetches all portstree > snapshot, run portsnap extract. It will update the ports tree. > Finally I have success running 'portsnap fetch' command! :) I must rerun it once or twice after I kill it with Control-C. I'm reading now 'man ports' and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html Thanks for your help! :) -- Regards, Paul Csanyi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 18:41:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE76106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FA28FC1D for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1479119yxl.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.63.33 with SMTP id q33mr4017743ybk.226.1301337686917; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.45.11 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Unable to update "dirmngr" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:41:29 -0000 FreeBSD-8.2 Several attempts to update the "dirmngr" port have failed. The build log: Script started on Mon Mar 28 14:35:46 2011 make ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Found saved configuration for dirmngr-1.1.0_7 ===> Extracting for dirmngr-1.1.0_7 => SHA256 Checksum OK for dirmngr-1.1.0.tar.bz2. => SHA256 Checksum OK for dirmngr-1.1.0.tar.bz2.sig. ===> Patching for dirmngr-1.1.0_7 ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: assuan.0 - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: gcrypt.17 - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: gpg-error.0 - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: ksba.19 - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: pth - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: ldap-2.4.8 - found ===> dirmngr-1.1.0_7 depends on shared library: iconv.3 - found ===> Configuring for dirmngr-1.1.0_7 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/local/bin/gmkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes checking build system type... amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2 checking host system type... amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2 configure: autobuild project... dirmngr configure: autobuild revision... 1.1.0 configure: autobuild hostname... scorpio.seibercom.net configure: autobuild timestamp... 20110328-143548 checking for style of include used by gmake... 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Please consult the above messages *** and install them before running configure again. *** ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. Please report the problem to umq@ueo.co.jp [maintainer] and attach the "/usr/ports/security/dirmngr/work/dirmngr-1.1.0/config.log" including the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be a good idea to provide an overview of all packages installed on your system (e.g. an `ls /var/db/pkg`). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/dirmngr. Script done on Mon Mar 28 14:35:53 2011 I have deinstalled and reinstalled LDAP, both server and client and they are working. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 19:49:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A727D106567A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDC78FC1C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA3F11250068 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06EDE1125005A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D90E615.6030902@alokat.org> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:48:37 +0200 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110313 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: use CD burner on thinkpad x300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:49:03 -0000 Hi, how can I use the CD burner on my Thinkpad x300? If I start Brasero I just get "Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD". I have added atapicam_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf but it doesn't work .... Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 20:53:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16249106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan0sch@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 750A18FC17 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2011 20:26:39 -0000 Received: from dslb-088-074-035-020.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO magni.rostock.home) [88.74.35.20] by mail.gmx.net (mp050) with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 22:26:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1545395 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+DxB18KmaDIOOTvxvYHfLWrqssH5noMjV29tadcN vySZ2L8VJjhnHA Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:25:52 +0200 From: Jens Jahnke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110328222552.e8bc576e.jan0sch@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) X-Face: &?!P`87-36gaG)/K:yi&ixw=uy]y'?$vrc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Unable to update "dirmngr" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:53:22 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:41:26 -0400 Jerry wrote: J> checking for canonicalize_file_name... no J> configure: J> *** J> *** You need a LDAP library to build this program. J> *** Check out J> *** http://www.openldap.org J> *** for a suitable implementation. J> *** J> configure: error: J> *** J> *** Required libraries not found. Please consult the above messages J> *** and install them before running configure again. J> *** J> ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. J> Please report the problem to umq@ueo.co.jp [maintainer] and attach J> the "/usr/ports/security/dirmngr/work/dirmngr-1.1.0/config.log" J> including the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it J> might be a good idea to provide an overview of all packages J> installed on your system (e.g. an `ls /var/db/pkg`). J> *** Error code 1 J> J> Stop in /usr/ports/security/dirmngr. J> J> Script done on Mon Mar 28 14:35:53 2011 J> J> I have deinstalled and reinstalled LDAP, both server and client and J> they are working. I can confirm this. I have the problem on 3 freebsd boxes all running 8.2. Regards, Jens -- 28. Lenzing 2011, 22:24 Homepage : http://www.jan0sch.de It may be bad manners to talk with your mouth full, but it isn't too good either if you speak when your head is empty. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 21:19:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B6106566B; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBA68FC13; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay16.apple.com ([17.128.113.55]) by localhost.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LIS003H9B1XQBM1@localhost.apple.com>; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807137-b7c3cae0000010f5-0d-4d90ed515d73 Received: from cenarius.apple.com (cenarius.apple.com [17.228.13.75]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay16.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 1E.13.04341.25DE09D4; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Moran In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:19:29 -0700 Message-id: <22BB9743-3D6A-49CC-85A1-C49E21591396@forsythia.net> References: <7EA93980-478A-418A-8FB1-3249097A7011@forsythia.net> <201011290954.07958.jhb@freebsd.org> <9549_1291057382_4CF3F8E6_9549_238_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8D81@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Subject: Re: msk0 interface stops working when downloading X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:19:30 -0000 To close the loop on this, I upgraded the latest freebsd current (8.2) and it now seems to work with the integrated chip. Huzzah. --Andy On Dec 2, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Andrew Moran wrote: > Good to know about the GB switch vs 100MB switch. > > But rather than downgrade my switch, I went ahead and bought a NIC and installed it and will just ignore the onboard Marvel one until it someday works :) > > --Andy > > On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Baldwin >> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:54 AM >> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> Cc: Andrew Moran; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: msk0 interface stops working when downloading >> >> On Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:25:06 pm Andrew Moran wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> After banging my head against this for a few hours, I've decided to ask for >> help. I installed FreeBSD 8.1 amd64 on a Shuttle J1 4100 system (tech >> specs here http://us.shuttle.com/J1_4100.aspx). I installed from DVD and the >> install went fine. >>> >>> I notice when I pkg_add -r anything, the network stops responding. >>> >>> Some details: >>> >>> 1) I can reproduce it 100% by downloading a large file. low traffic like >> the SSH connection does not trigger it. I think it's being triggered by >> traffic above a certain rate. >>> 2) I can recover by restarting the network interfaces (/etc/rc.d/netif stop; >> /etc/rc.d/netif start) >>> 3) I see no errors in dmesg or /var/log/messages. Nothing at all. >>> 4) I've tried the following in /etc/sysctl.conf: >>> net.inet.tcp.tso=0 >>> net.inet.tcp.inflight.enable=0 >>> >>> and in /boot/loader.conf: >>> hw.pci.enable_msix="0" >>> hw.pci.enable_msi="0" >>> hw.bce.tso_enable="0" >>> >>> But the problem persists. >>> >>> The interface is identified as: >>> >>> mskc0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem >> 0xfebfc000-0xfebfffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci2 >>> msk0: on >> mskc0 >>> msk0: Ethernet address: 80:ee:73:01:60:7d >>> miibus0: on msk0 >>> e1000phy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 >>> e1000phy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, >> 1000baseT-FDX, auto >>> mskc0: [ITHREAD] >> >> When I've seen this on my netbook I did a tcpdump on another machien on the >> same hub and found that my msk0 device was spewing an endless stream of pause >> frames. I've only had this problem with a gigE switch, it works fine for me >> on a 10/100 switch. >> >> -- >> John Baldwin >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> " When I've seen this on my netbook I did a tcpdump on another machien on the same hub and found that my msk0 device was spewing an endless stream of pause frames. " >> >> If there's an option to disable Ethernet flow control, (commonly used on Gig stuff) perhaps disabling it will prevent the unwanted "spewing". Unwaanted spewing is always bad. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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I have the problem on 3 freebsd boxes all running > 8.2. I don't know if anyone has filed a PR against this or not. If it is not fixed by tomorrow and no one else files one, I will. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 21:39:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156B2106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC408FC17 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-86-215.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.86.215]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392581E4F7; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2SLdFLW002988; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:39:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:39:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alokat Message-Id: <20110328233915.75fcab58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D90E615.6030902@alokat.org> References: <4D90E615.6030902@alokat.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: use CD burner on thinkpad x300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:39:18 -0000 On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:48:37 +0200, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > how can I use the CD burner on my Thinkpad x300? > If I start Brasero I just get "Please replace the disc with a supported > CD or DVD". > > I have added atapicam_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf but it doesn't > work .... Did you already try "low level" diagnostics, i. e. checking the output of "camcontrol devlist" and try to burn a CD or DVD using growisofs / cdrecord / cdrdao? This should tell you if you're fighting a nonfunctioning CD burner or just a lazy application. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 22:59:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1A6106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pratyushdayal@yahoo.com) Received: from web161612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (web161612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.211.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C34C98FC1A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14774 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2011 22:32:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1301351560; bh=ekES1RJdTIFxut5FXAwNTjjLLSBeWe/HymQW/Y7aaZU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j75dRY3mm8Ai4bX8kvYFNnMBBNWD+QBE0NZLQFT2EAsfYi8RFrfWk/4OFbAwvgT5uMY5jnBf8vclb0p1zmLqrGNG2SmNzJg/29hOVs60vOSNV8FkOju4MHRlaTEBBuoEDW5avODrQy/M+XquZ57clO9oIjzHWM6n/hzHRtsrix4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BTQxn2OxOqyWPRpFiOgJIMBiLmdypYXSOMbFLGaIKNc29hhG840AIeUUeoxg/tnzLtep5T+D1AdvNNs8yjpcbRqSi0tHgQYnWGYK8PEi0ABuQzHOEJbwagen/BCxmhUIyo7r0FTMj9y2TWRUoen2PSijmuls0UX28JDXRSsCtdM=; Message-ID: <121299.4153.qm@web161612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A.q9j1AVM1mbB7HIyRHoV1JJhx_rSzeqGIbdfigEgRxhRJM TuoHL9.yZgM.tdmBLZ_fzEYnwq3Kb8DERQHWoDZSM6MUjheOXfCL8Ep7toWQ xAFXHYihyeVVaSj3GcZ5HhVsvwjdeC8vLHnMDWgrStH2Z5co2gd1ZMJxQgJE _C0hzVsUIP850NsuFJo1nN_tQnGhEDrYl2iIFIOdi_rtIz3FJoXM9.JGSrdD 3I66tYe0FSo6UQgx2T0BDzyOQBhxA1cPjCoNudG.e28d8VsIePgvos6sAkQf BrPxOVf22UkAKPUQ7IZLR2pgF5H6tmxeRh81XSwpVNwL.jIKueMbM8quQQDo RTgW9e7XmN8XMtmebGjbtjon91t.XAvs46CFZATrU75Za2BYgCBNrJg-- Received: from [136.142.73.140] by web161612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:32:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratyush Dayal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cannot boot from ZFS (GPT) after 8.1 to 8.2 upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:59:21 -0000 I had used this guide to setup FreeBSD 8.1 in a ZFS mirrored configuration using GPT. I have the following setup: % gpart show => 63 1250263665 ad4 MBR (596G) 63 1250263665 1 freebsd [active] (596G) => 0 1250263665 ad4s1 BSD (596G) 0 2097152 1 freebsd-ufs (1.0G) 2097152 8388608 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) 10485760 10377216 4 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) 20862976 1048576 5 freebsd-ufs (512M) 21911552 1228352113 6 freebsd-ufs (586G) => 34 1953525101 ad5 GPT (932G) 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) 162 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4194466 1949330669 3 freebsd-zfs (930G) => 34 1953525101 ad6 GPT (932G) 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64K) 162 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4194466 1949330669 3 freebsd-zfs (930G) After the release of FreeBSD-8.2, I upgraded the system using the procedure described in the handbook (with some changed options for ZFS). Here are the steps that I used: # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make buildkernel # make installkernel # shutdown -r now Then booted the system in single-user mode and did the following: # adjkerntz -i # zfs mount -a <-----(Changed from: mount -a -t ufs) # mergemaster -p # cd /usr/src # make installworld # mergemaster However, 'mergemaster' (after installworld) complained that it cannot install the files as the file system is read-only. Therefore, I did the following: # zfs set readonly=off zroot The 'mergemaster' finished successfully after this and all the required files were installed. Now, when I reboot the system, it cannot load the kernel. I get the following messages and subsequently loader prompt. 'definitions not found' 'forth not found' 'can't load kernel' My /boot/loader.conf has following lines pertaining to zfs: zfs_load="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" I managed to import the ZFS pool by booting through MBR disk with UFS partition (ad4...see above) which also has FreeBSD 8.2. # zpool import -f -R /altroot zroot # mkdir /mnt/zroot # mount -t zfs zroot /mnt/zroot # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT zroot 16.1G 897G 819M legacy zroot/tmp 9.03M 897G 9.03M /altroot/tmp zroot/usr 15.1G 897G 8.63G /altroot/usr zroot/usr/home 432M 897G 432M /altroot/usr/home zroot/usr/ports 5.76G 897G 73.1M /altroot/usr/ports zroot/usr/ports/distfiles 5.69G 897G 5.69G /altroot/usr/ports/distfiles zroot/usr/ports/packages 20K 897G 20K /altroot/usr/ports/packages zroot/usr/src 309M 897G 309M /altroot/usr/src zroot/var 208M 897G 588K /altroot/var zroot/var/crash 21.5K 897G 21.5K /altroot/var/crash zroot/var/db 202M 897G 161M /altroot/var/db zroot/var/db/pkg 41.7M 897G 41.7M /altroot/var/db/pkg zroot/var/empty 20K 897G 20K /altroot/var/empty zroot/var/log 842K 897G 842K /altroot/var/log zroot/var/mail 70.5K 897G 70.5K /altroot/var/mail zroot/var/run 97K 897G 97K /altroot/var/run zroot/var/tmp 4.11M 897G 4.11M /altroot/var/tmp Please help me troubleshooting the problem. I have posted this problem on FreeBSD forums...please see this thread ...where it has been suggested that the required bits of /boot/loader or /boot/zfsloader are missing. I do not know how to proceed further! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 23:18:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7056C106566C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@insightbb.com) Received: from mxsf03.insightbb.com (mxsf03.insightbb.com [74.128.0.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0728FC16 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:18:27 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,258,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="1076899427" Received: from unknown (HELO asav03.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf03.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 19:18:26 -0400 X-Connecting-IP: 74.132.139.5 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmRLAEoWkU1KhIsFPGdsb2JhbACJDo88jHkLAQEBATcyxVCFaQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,258,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="215763736" Received: from 74-132-139-5.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO laptop2.stevenfriedrich.org) ([74.132.139.5]) by asavout03.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 19:18:26 -0400 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:18:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.6.1; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103281918.25229.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Subject: webcamd vs rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:18:27 -0000 I have enable_webcamd="YES" in rc.conf If I comment it out, it complains, and in, it complains. None of these are going into any log file. They do not get reported by a subsequent invocation of dmesg. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 23:42:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4831065670 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@insightbb.com) Received: from mxsf14.insightbb.com (mxsf14.insightbb.com [74.128.0.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271E78FC12 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:42:10 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,258,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="302860662" Received: from unknown (HELO asav02.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf14.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 19:42:10 -0400 X-Connecting-IP: 74.132.139.5 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmRLAMAbkU1KhIsFO2dsb2JhbACJDo88jHkLAQEBATcyxUaFaQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,258,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="444177384" Received: from 74-132-139-5.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO laptop2.stevenfriedrich.org) ([74.132.139.5]) by asavout02.manage.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 19:42:09 -0400 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:42:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.6.1; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103281942.09261.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Subject: PyWiFi plasmoid v 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:42:11 -0000 I can't get this to work. Anybdy get it to work? I figured out the dataengine part. But this thing doesn't have any configuration/settings. How will it know to look for wlan0? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 23:46:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03AC106564A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40788FC19 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73D1263A3B5; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:46:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KuUfvnCw3ps8; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.195] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C3F84263A3B4; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <201103281918.25229.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:45:50 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201103281918.25229.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> To: Steven Friedrich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: webcamd vs rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:46:04 -0000 I think you're backwards. I think it should be: webcamd_enable=3D"YES" What happens when you use that? -- Ryan On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have enable_webcamd=3D"YES" in rc.conf >=20 > If I comment it out, it complains, and in, it complains. >=20 > None of these are going into any log file. They do not get reported = by a=20 > subsequent invocation of dmesg. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 02:34:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7BE106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@insightbb.com) Received: from mxsf15.insightbb.com (mxsf15.insightbb.com [74.128.0.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EAE8FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:34:22 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,259,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="295917123" Received: from unknown (HELO asav00.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf15.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 22:34:21 -0400 X-Connecting-IP: 74.132.139.5 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AphcAFJEkU1KhIsFO2dsb2JhbACJEo89jHkLAQEBATcyxTWFagQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,259,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="99376228" Received: from 74-132-139-5.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO doris.stevenfriedrich.org) ([74.132.139.5]) by asavout00.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 22:34:21 -0400 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:33:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.6.1; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103282233.12354.freebsd@insightbb.com> Subject: dragon player video not displayed in window. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:34:22 -0000 It used to display in the window and I could switch back and forth from Full screen mode to window. -- System Name: doris.StevenFriedrich.org Window Manager(s): kde4-4.6.1 X Window System: xorg-7.5.1 X.Org X Server 1.7.7 OS version: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 (5.9 MB kernel) Platform: HP pavilion zd8000 (zd8215us) CPU: 2.40GHz Intel Pentium 4 with 511 MB memory FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2009061500/i386) Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 03:10:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEA51065670 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@insightbb.com) Received: from mxsf00.insightbb.com (mxsf00.insightbb.com [74.128.0.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B83C8FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:10:26 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,259,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="1055612390" Received: from unknown (HELO asav02.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf00.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 23:10:26 -0400 X-Connecting-IP: 74.132.139.5 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AphcAPpMkU1KhIsFO2dsb2JhbACJEo89jHkLAQEBATcyiG+8JYVqBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,259,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="444217641" Received: from 74-132-139-5.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO laptop2.stevenfriedrich.org) ([74.132.139.5]) by asavout02.manage.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 23:10:25 -0400 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:10:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE; KDE/4.6.1; i386; ; ) References: <201103281918.25229.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103282310.25177.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: webcamd vs rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:10:27 -0000 It was just a typo. I had been using this for awhile, and recent changes made it act weird. It didn't act weird under 8.1. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 03:36:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8E1106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044538FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so5357804iwn.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jn882ABnHLp3dvBdL0Dcy5H+vp8Xe9UltASsefA5mbY=; b=bupBZEUvalTxwYSLX4DZkNTf44K3hSC80rYVIkSIv1pCADOaS2nSkjcZqGihsw3DZg Fx3HicWAe/VZeJgpziwRhuwfUj+tJV8EvSeJWeBrt+/n2oPQ0YpL7yP466qFhMrNTFMY 8QblL7AxNkATlJWwGgFL+U0UUfIzGXqWzF1KI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HVhzIxDnk5B4KgSCvmKnG/WLo80JVekwL1a6iR4p9vqf/sjozFkrLfBnus/erWQDZX IM++ZhwqGeZE2QOuY52Ue///iuAi9P1Djr50Zg5P/c+gr8BEk58XkzO1z5FZ5EfBN1Rq pysmlV7MSpGY+cJ8q9lQNITQuFXiGzuhIXRbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.226.8 with SMTP id iu8mr3457733icb.249.1301369812556; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:36:55 -0000 hello list, I was able to make that correction: zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome-reve= rse.d b"; }; zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"; }; is now in named.conf. otherwise named.conf is identical to the way it is higher up in the thread, and summitnjhome-reverse.db is untouched. But as of now, forward lookups work, but reverse time out: LBSD2# host sum1 sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 LBSD2# nslookup sum1 Server: 192.168.1.44 Address: 192.168.1.44#53 sum1.summitnjhome.com canonical name =3D LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. Name: LCENT01.summitnjhome.com Address: 192.168.1.42 LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached LBSD2# nslookup 192.168.1.42 ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 192.168.1.44, trying next server ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Now I could probably understand it FAILING due to perhaps a type-o in the config. But I am genuinely curious as to how forward lookups will work and reverse lookups time out. regards tim On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Ok guys.. I totally get it now and sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm > really looking forward to getting this working but might not get a > chance to try this again until this evening. time. where does it go? > don't know but I certainly appreciate yourst! > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Peter Andreev = wrote: >> 2011/3/28 Tim Dunphy >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> =A0Thanks for your reply! >>> >>> =A0I took your advice and removed that line from resolv.conf and added >>> it into /etc/named/named.conf >>> >>> =A0Now it looks like this >>> >>> =A0// RFC 1912 >>> zone "localhost" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-f= orward.db"; >>> }; >>> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.d= b"; >>> }; >>> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >>> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >>> "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; >>> >> >> Robert said that you should replace 192.in-addr.arpa with >> 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa in your named.conf. >> >> Your named.conf should be look like the following: >> >> zone "localhost" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-fo= rward.db"; >> }; >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/localhost-reverse.db= "; >> }; >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >> "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; >> >> >> >>> =A0And I did a restart of both network and named but the issue remains: >>> >>> >>> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.44 >>> Host 44.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Robert Bonomi >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:19:26 -0400 >>> >> From: Tim Dunphy >>> >> Subject: reverse dns in bind9 >>> >> >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> =A0I am attempting to setup reverse dns in bind 9 under freebsd... t= his is >>> >> =A0in an attempt to allow mysql to work a little easier with DNS >>> >> =A0resolution. >>> >> >>> >> =A0In my /etc/named/named.conf file I have the following: >>> >> >>> >> // RFC 1912 >>> >> zone "localhost" =A0{ type master; file "master/localhost-forward.db= "; }; >>> >> zone "127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; ile >>> "master/localhost-reverse.db"; }; >>> >> zone "255.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; >>> >> zone "192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >>> "master/summitjnhome-reverse.db"; }; >>> >> zone "summitnjhome.com" { type master; file "master/summitnjhome.db"= ; >>> }; >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> My master/summitnjhome.com looks like the following: >>> > >>> > For starters, this should be in "master/summitnjhome-reerse.db" >>> >> >>> >> $TTL 3D >>> >> @ =A0 =A0 =A0 IN =A0 =A0 =A0SOA =A0 =A0 ns1.summitnjhome.com. blueth= undr.gmail.com. ( >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 201103271 ; Serial, = todays date + todays serial >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 8H =A0 =A0 =A0; Refr= esh >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2H =A0 =A0 =A0; Retr= y >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4W =A0 =A0 =A0; Expi= re >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1D) =A0 =A0 ; Minimu= m TTL >>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NS =A0 =A0 =A0ns1.su= mmitnjhome.com. >>> >> >>> >> summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 42 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 43 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 45 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 46 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 47 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> 23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent01.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 24 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent02.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 21 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent03.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 26 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent04.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 27 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent05.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 28 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent06.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 29 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent07.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 30 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent08.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 31 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent09.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 32 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent10.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent11.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 34 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent12.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 35 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent13.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 36 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent14.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 37 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent15.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 38 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent16.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 39 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent17.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 40 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent18.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> 41 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent19.summitnjhome.c= om. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> and my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: >>> >> >>> >> domain =A0summitnjhome.com >>> >> nameserver =A0 =A0 192.168.1.44 >>> >> nameserver =A0 =A0 4.2.2.2 >>> >> >>> >> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file >>> >> "/etc/named/master/summitnjhome-reverse.db" >>> >> }; >>> > >>> > the 'zone' line =A0you show should *NOT* be in resolv.conf at all. >>> > this line should be in the =A0named.conf file *instead* of the one fo= r >>> > the '192.in-addr.arpa' zone. >>> > >>> >> then I restart both named and the network service >>> >> >>> >> and yet if I were to try forward resolution: >>> >> >>> >> LBSD2# host sum1 >>> >> sum1.summitnjhome.com is an alias for LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >>> >> LCENT01.summitnjhome.com has address 192.168.1.42 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> and then reverse resolution: >>> >> >>> >> LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 >>> >> Host 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >>> >> >>> >> I have no luck. Any thoughts on this? >>> > >>> > see above. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GPG me!! >>> >>> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> AP >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > > > > -- > GPG me!! > > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 03:54:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532CB106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5808FC18 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10113413; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:54:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10113411 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4D9157FA.7070608@radel.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:54:34 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090401050402090503030207" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:54:40 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090401050402090503030207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/28/11 11:36 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Now I could probably understand it FAILING due to perhaps a type-o in > the config. But I am genuinely curious as to how forward lookups will > work and reverse lookups time out. I would expect them to time out if your dns server knows nothing about=20 the reverse zone; give or take how you connect to the rest of the DNS.=20 What messages about zones loading did you get when you restarted bind?=20 Where there any crabby comments in the log file about not loading=20 master/summitnjhome-reverse.db due to error(s)? Was that file mentioned = at all? --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms090401050402090503030207-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 04:05:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298A0106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E076D8FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so5378867iwn.13 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:05:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OE9sA/3zrizbEO7QVjgaDKN8iga9suvpQMpm7OLQxKM=; b=LAibC1edoz3CldB6QGwXyR7FdY0sK5Vo3QjLxVtxnYJxncG+LnPyHmzqziMQPGZmg4 1BoSbtzh9+22dr9lYYJyU6nf6vlu/NOvuayHkiOXdTBlxr9PD07icKYrjVoyp7fAjWyB 0x7IwpAqThYDUMu0x3jHItvVK6OUSRZLAZmzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ANS6p5mpxwZTHe9WaUDFy3FFQsAWATvYIipZPueGOiNzKiz45LdesMYu2+kuU7slLF +WcfZr3tg6A68VpFMwKtZyGAt9ut5RBtQ+xiiOUD+pcKP9ayANW/2fjpys0mb04FxHB7 FrpAzjotw0pKG4KcYb49v9sefJHl8ODaoUQWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.45.3 with SMTP id ui3mr7598579icb.450.1301371528759; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9157FA.7070608@radel.com> References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4D9157FA.7070608@radel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: Jon Radel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:05:30 -0000 hello no crabby comments on restart at all! LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/named restart Stopping named. Waiting for PIDS: 4970. Starting named. Ah but yes some complaints from the logs Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: ignoring out-of-zone data (summitnjhome.com) Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:11: unexpected end of line Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: unexpected end of input Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading from master file master/summitnjhome-reverse.db failed: unexpected end of input Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: not loaded due to errors. Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: running Tho I am not sure why it's complaining about unexpected end of input this is the whole file 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays serial 8H ; Refresh 2H ; Retry 4W ; Expire 1D) ; Minimum TTL NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. summitnjhome.com. 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. tim On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 3/28/11 11:36 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > >> Now I could probably understand it FAILING due to perhaps a type-o in >> the config. But I am genuinely curious as to how forward lookups will >> work and reverse lookups time out. > > I would expect them to time out if your dns server knows nothing about th= e > reverse zone; give or take how you connect to the rest of the DNS. What > messages about zones loading did you get when you restarted bind? Where > there any crabby comments in the log file about not loading > master/summitnjhome-reverse.db due to error(s)? =A0Was that file mentione= d at > all? > > --Jon Radel > jon@radel.com > > > > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 04:25:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E17106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A8D8FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10113448; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:25:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10113446 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:25:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4D915F24.5080607@radel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:25:08 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4D9157FA.7070608@radel.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020905030601020804000309" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:25:25 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020905030601020804000309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/29/11 12:05 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > > hello > > no crabby comments on restart at all! > > LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/named restart > Stopping named. > Waiting for PIDS: 4970. > Starting named. > > Ah but yes some complaints from the logs > > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: > ignoring out-of-zone data (summitnjhome.com) > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: > master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:11: unexpected end of line > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: > master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: unexpected end of input > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: > loading from master file master/summitnjhome-reverse.db failed: > unexpected end of input > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: not > loaded due to errors. > Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: running > > > > Tho I am not sure why it's complaining about unexpected end of input > > this is the whole file Really? Judging from the line numbers in the log messages, you're=20 missing about 3 lines that, I would hope, include something like IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com bluethunder.gmail.com ( > > 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays seria= l > 8H ; Refresh > 2H ; Retry > 4W ; Expire > 1D) ; Minimum TTL > NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. > summitnjhome.com. ^^^^^^^^ doesn't make much sense as data in this zone, error message 1= ^ Whoa, Nelly, where's the rest of this line?=20 error message 2 Oh, never mind, I'm so out of here.....ignore all that stuff below,=20 messages 3 and 4 > 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. > 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. > 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. > 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. > 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. > 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. > 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. > 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. > 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. > 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. > 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. > 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. > 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. > 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. > 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. > 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. > 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. > 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. > 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. > 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. > 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. > 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. > 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. > 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. > > --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms020905030601020804000309-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 06:08:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A27106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (smtp03.online.nl [194.134.41.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5F8FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4F0681E0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lutetium.micite.net (s529d340f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.52.15]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7558 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2011 05:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.70?) (192.168.1.70) by lutetium.lan with SMTP; 29 Mar 2011 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4D917319.20309@micite.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:17 +0200 From: Roland van Laar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110223 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) Subject: ruby cpu 100% hang during pkgdb -F X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:08:21 -0000 Hello, I updated FreeBSD 8.0 to 8.2 with freebsd-update. Everything went fine till I got to the ports: I used the commands: # portupgrade -f ruby # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db # portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb portupgrade -f ruby gave problems because of a security issue. So I updated the ports with portsnap extract and update. I upgraded ruby removed pkgdb.db Here is where things went wrong. portupgrade hangs while ruby eats 100% cpu. # pkgdb -F gives me this: ---> Checking the package registry database [Rebuilding the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 185 packages found (-0 +185) ....................................................................................................100..................................................................................... done] Stale origin: 'devel/automake19': perhaps moved or obsoleted. -> The port 'devel/automake19' was removed on 2010-10-07 because: "No longer required by any port" -> Hint: automake-1.9.6_3 is not required by any other package -> Hint: checking for overwritten files... -> No files installed by automake-1.9.6_3 have been overwritten by other packages. Deinstall automake-1.9.6_3 ? [no] yes And it hangs at 100% cpu. What do I need to do to update my ports? tldr: updated ports, rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db and pkgdf -F hangs at 100% cpu. Roland van Laar From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 06:36:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EAB106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from william.e.brown@adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mailguard-send.adelaide.edu.au (pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au [192.43.227.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4188FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:36:52 +0000 (UTC) X-SBRS: None X-Listener: MTA_SUBM X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlEHANN3kU07pw2t/2dsb2JhbACCWqJsd7p8iGyFagQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,259,1299418200"; d="sig'?scan'208";a="3856640" Received: from ppp59-167-13-173.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net ([59.167.13.173]) by terrier-private.services.adelaide.edu.au with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 29 Mar 2011 16:56:25 +1030 From: William Brown Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-133-950231627" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:18 +1030 Message-Id: To: freebsd general questions Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Tape drive for backup soloution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:36:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-133-950231627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi I need to implement a tape drive backup solution at my place of work. I = was wondering what is a good tape drive to get for this task, that works = on freebsd with something like amanda. Its for a small business, and = storing about 4TB max, and hopefully with some room spare for = differential backups over time.=20 My server on hand has sata and IDE available.=20 Are there any recommendations that you can make about compatible = solutions. My knowledge in this area is limited.=20 Sincerely, William Brown Research & Teaching, Technology Services The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 CRICOS Provider Number 00123M = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- IMPORTANT: This message may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you think it was sent to you by mistake, please delete = all copies and advise the sender. For the purposes of the SPAM Act 2003, = this email is authorised by The University of Adelaide. pgp.mit.edu --Apple-Mail-133-950231627 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNkXuNAAoJEDwKxtqy+SiiNlwP/1Biph4Z3d2laS6dNr8UV75t m/3L0apSztBooMtRWZqjkUnpHsn2fj8cwTR5RRXrjbpUYxSp4MIqaR6FzO9HVx/f q+J5HyTTzZta8f2c2UP56JLcqM7ptf0EfbaxLGMXy86ycF8q3zjj0Biu50s2K9ZD vVtGsAhOeEIkvBvplBQs0pNao0KCol4BCf30LlGs8x3n9lGxvdegjtZwVYfSqJBr TW7qneN9Sx9LcJeU1HaWe/tPi1c6Ofi0AfqkVA4vbYe0TadBbveRc2YH6jOHiQPV poO7eWdCFnyEyOPfWNyJ2kynGvntGMKaN2OfT4Ho4YOVZRKxM0oHV3CFrCS4VAhV EIk+/QREhQdXfTVNiCPKGiYMOrEiOYD2zTrt+r9a/kmZ3jsx3YVKV9QNRiAM1KC8 egVOGnqxDNmIL7lpZsjKMa0xIzKXrmf0npNhvKdOor+UX56PPZcInh73qRT+B6w3 ATvgWPdEx8bK0PmrnDbxNL4WPyJuWyLVYOzO12rhCCMQU611BLnJOuOrs7FJDT2k Q3j+DnEFgVTJs+YQntPm9TagkS+jtU9YHqtf0Zz8gYrR/ji/FmR7t56OUSwnoi5P UEcvpjw/kBzOYIn5u//Az848E22u4O1Oyxtk7p1+7Ev+loUBHtF4l9AdKyTeFDcr IKg8gRzAumHkdMv5chcF =tuWW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-133-950231627-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 07:00:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2619106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F148FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4SuK-000574-FB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:00:04 +0200 Received: from 93-139-99-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.139.99.61]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:00:04 +0200 Received: from gour by 93-139-99-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:00:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Gour Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:56:34 +0200 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <20110329085634.7c67ec09@atmarama.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/qe_bWuqIA/ufk3CJ8vx/aik"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93-139-99-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Face: 3Cy8q3pLN"sFiKpp%e^3=GTSm2xV5z:O1:| :WC~ei/w@ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:00:05 -0000 --Sig_/qe_bWuqIA/ufk3CJ8vx/aik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:18 +1030 William Brown wrote: > Are there any recommendations that you can make about compatible > solutions. My knowledge in this area is limited.=20 My needs are not so big and I use HP Ultrium 448 (LTO-2) drive, but I'm sure that buying HP's LTO-2 drive will be nice solution for you. btw, I recently switched from Bacula to Amanda, but I'm just in the process of moving to (Free)PCBSD, but I'm sure drive is supported well. Otoh, I also heard that IBM's drives are not bad and usually cheaper than HP brand. Sincerely, Gour --=20 =E2=80=9CIn the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) http://atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: CDBF17CA --Sig_/qe_bWuqIA/ufk3CJ8vx/aik Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNkYKiAAoJECrfh83NvxfKbFwP/j63+O/1IjkLHb+J5l0iLKDK uRCvuYWxscuTGsZtXdZ/VXgU2P0ICYGa4BS6Hr9pOs0+ycJBTMHVbg2JyEDye4K/ ORmbFbTr4emJwDUEdAIJXnQMB5IuPXEuG6ktDd+MiLU255WtfavtlZaFuddiLSWU pmRGH7Bf46Ho+46BD9N0saTJf5oczfOLwka0FhGx05Jx1EvHJ4S4sGIisFsinzl/ 2CgkGrRrq1futV0CS/0uR3O169Y6mj9Xzt0ryjJmd9kj+B92zHxXxVjOCJAZhnPD 5yw0eJTPmdMbgum1pdWTVn6Jw0aYk2+R0keHStLTGJ4zzP2McsjUjsKKICJR9RJ9 qjPJL3jKMYI12lpzqGxtPJVJagbVvNDn6LUcxLzWOwR//4SPMYWolWYZA8l8UHvl PyutWpsU3WdS1sLWHVuEWmLve7yJvIJBhUC8xzLAlBJ7E/ytxcGXoPyltH8SBvav VA24feCpafuDatUh8W06SC0kv8VBSpztfvZpLQN2CK0mLP/MSUq7DUOeiW5L/OFp FfmrK3uAkml5/JRax9odV1ENnJngX6XiwoEU8ucUk777cBbZ2FQ4iIYBYscOKasi zQ5JKDw1/CmsH7EX7hLCVMrVLSuhmRhSXDbabB/lppBzRFR0HaHY4aYMHFTIm9un oxubtPZ4ywz80IbBgbuF =8ujN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/qe_bWuqIA/ufk3CJ8vx/aik-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 07:26:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A048C106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:26:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67C38FC13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3794571bwz.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C3WFFCs6iO8fPG8K0nuMZjUV/bBrVsnq0D6p2VqGpFU=; b=gNDaI7ypElgy/neU69Pppmcwfrj4kVqQa+WuDQgY4PAwqvlHnVkPnsq4OVTJ60tdNy qu7tsLUJVh7gxel7vKzV4VSKHVlVu1yiQUe6EwUpYz0QkE7FW5Wp0F386QcsGX6/Cx7p laK4HSp14yVZCH7yDWl8NhP/sz6UqTfZa/YUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H6LEFwK3kupPaLCQz4CGruNw/R4KDWBFhSrRwhkfopjg7/UcZ/LYbeK+AwArwZEye8 VzHw8NhOUUeU1Nys0DtKhlZDPbmUsp35zPD1T7hmi5Sf7IHKZ9xPqmIyNfRs+BcE2XaE IGiD07S5kYvON6HjoGDImRRdCIOtIlr4d4+Qk= Received: by 10.204.16.140 with SMTP id o12mr4425933bka.125.1301383563428; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (wifi-osiris-sec-183-249.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.183.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm3194207bkb.10.2011.03.29.00.26.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D918988.8090802@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:26:00 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110306 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: printf() leak? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:26:05 -0000 Hello, It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it: #include #include int main(void) { printf("Hi\n"); return 0; } and valgrind ./a.out: ==67840== ==67840== HEAP SUMMARY: ==67840== in use at exit: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks ==67840== total heap usage: 1 allocs, 0 frees, 4,096 bytes allocated ==67840== ==67840== LEAK SUMMARY: ==67840== definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks ==67840== indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks ==67840== possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks ==67840== still reachable: 0 bytes in 0 blocks ==67840== suppressed: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks (The experience on Linux does not leak) Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 08:00:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FEF1065674 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922368FC17 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so4162539wyf.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1NkMl5XEtYNWBNVUz6FpsQuEjvv7VjnCTkBXlgtpqA8=; b=C+X1zzfRPYPqF7c9yMp0UJk8WproDq9UpAcmCiPiFrC1Utg3aK0GqKp8C9O0joniiU /GUVZqSfxrpTC6G2ZeWbX1RkXhf04U9dMgjLND84j9Vp3IfVXmusSUZ57Iw3UGvCrQBy 9c6NBIREwZ6GYsmNc9tu3mTqZgDjpSmlp/+UQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M3R1r5010NO8iMMn9IsaXOuFWBhprB+l+oOsAryGZ1buKI4kslVFNFaOwy0qlmbrYy paBhDybs86Jiv8WbfCN19MW4ndBqbfakilfqzM7enl0KiBkjnbZ4j5X3afXuTzFW8tvs qk8CEGNAEWXC7G6uS2WY+/KW6Z0DRILdXcxDw= Received: by 10.227.195.76 with SMTP id eb12mr4693554wbb.160.1301385607135; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:00:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.197 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:59:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D918988.8090802@gmail.com> References: <4D918988.8090802@gmail.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printf() leak? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:00:09 -0000 Hi David, > It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it: What compiler and what optimizations? Most compilers will optimize a printf without any special formatting into a puts call instead of a printf call. For example clang -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer (which I use for clarity here) outputs this code: .file "leak.c" ... main: # @main # BB#0: # %entry subl $12, %esp movl $str, (%esp) calll puts xorl %eax, %eax addl $12, %esp ret .Ltmp0: ... str: .asciz "Hi" .size str, 3 ... [snip] > =3D=3D67840=3D=3D =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 suppressed: 4,096 bytes in = 1 blocks Lets take a look at what valgrind says immediately after this: =3D=3D14481=3D=3D For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with:= -v One of the lines we get is --14508-- used_suppression: 1 libc puts leak Which means it is a known issue and has been specially marked as to avoid being reported by valgrind. Lets take a look to see where this suppression happens: in /usr/local/lib/valgrind/default.supp we find { libc puts leak Memcheck:Leak fun:malloc obj:/lib/libc.so.7 obj:/lib/libc.so.7 obj:/lib/libc.so.7 fun:puts fun:main } After some investigation I was able to find the following commit: http://p4db.freebsd.org/chv.cgi?CH=3D168767 which shows when this suppression was added and by whom. I trust that if you are interested in the details of why this leak is detected you have the skills to follow up on this by yourself :-) Thank you for trying to make FreeBSD better! --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 08:08:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3821065670 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898288FC1D for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4242868fxm.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:08:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Z8ZdaISI3+43UaJNC+S73mu8SZHMnW5eZx3xwTRyqs=; b=gFiB9F8NsOSu2eSrrF9RAkvIUFnrLYqHzoNVTBYx1zNfKof5KAKkixcoHdxdFtVoTb tbQy7Oqpo6ue+P6kmg/g35xZD6Myetm9nJsRtyU967ngKOnfkPQI9lKIdfSivFiV4woF N0uaQuqPvcoyuK1F8ZNLQcVVDX5m7gDCOmF9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x8u2PDvJbaj7dQmp5d2rt4dg2oTBgOvmkJPpcg6oVrZbfjmIO9YsskzkAzpEKAzC5h orUVo3tDD8d5bm8S0QwffSovaIGRUdP6YF+WQE95U2W6n08rdhg8H34lXe3i12d9vDyB Xb+EN0YU2/UEq1slBpCz8EZtUsvhOi5qmlvos= Received: by 10.223.160.80 with SMTP id m16mr5592484fax.72.1301386115436; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (wifi-osiris-sec-183-249.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.183.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b18sm1820758fak.32.2011.03.29.01.08.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D919381.70109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:08:33 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110306 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler References: <4D918988.8090802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printf() leak? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:37 -0000 On 29/03/2011 09:59, Eitan Adler wrote: > Hi David, > >> It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it: > > What compiler and what optimizations? Most compilers will optimize a > printf without any special formatting into a puts call instead of a > printf call. I was using clang / gcc without any optimisations. > For example clang -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer (which I use for clarity > here) outputs this code: > > .file "leak.c" > ... > main: # @main > # BB#0: # %entry > subl $12, %esp > movl $str, (%esp) > calll puts > xorl %eax, %eax > addl $12, %esp > ret > .Ltmp0: > ... > str: > .asciz "Hi" > .size str, 3 > ... > > [snip] >> ==67840== suppressed: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks > > Lets take a look at what valgrind says immediately after this: > ==14481== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v > > One of the lines we get is > --14508-- used_suppression: 1 libc puts leak > I didn't see this one, thanks! > Which means it is a known issue and has been specially marked as to > avoid being reported by valgrind. > > Lets take a look to see where this suppression happens: in > /usr/local/lib/valgrind/default.supp we find > { > libc puts leak > Memcheck:Leak > fun:malloc > obj:/lib/libc.so.7 > obj:/lib/libc.so.7 > obj:/lib/libc.so.7 > fun:puts > fun:main > } > > After some investigation I was able to find the following commit: > http://p4db.freebsd.org/chv.cgi?CH=168767 which shows when this > suppression was added and by whom. > > I trust that if you are interested in the details of why this leak is > detected you have the skills to follow up on this by yourself :-) > Thanks a lot for the details. > Thank you for trying to make FreeBSD better! > > :-) -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 08:40:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C52106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C818FC13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so4630191wwc.31 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QyCIAAy8ljKi2s+diL9hX+tJq2eCFk9XyToHhM0FZyc=; b=fCzW2qAiRR4mOHqRgrfdhY/unuoSsmsHp0EBH1hZAn5LUKw407b0fFO9dED1Q1y5L0 e336qWo2YyTovjXvqUFYFJcE94f7/IERm3uY2uUAOZTAHpRV01rTwbvgzBUn+Qrmtwvl UIjhlXCYqNSIEg0WcHpfcaLkICVVhgBnID9v4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=fTHYSDO3KJyfTuUHAa29VMayBb4FZG6rLK8HB2TG8FDcyLm9jwka1pMCqK4U72RVnw /O+OB7Y/4EToH7/Wbg9wBmG7+Jp6/4rP/y5Q0vSTR+9L4VPI9KCc5UUfVXAfaRhkPbNC Lm24SnD8fdOvXacIplAcVrwIXfh6ynt9gRISc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.221.72 with SMTP id q50mr4533814wep.99.1301388018016; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:40:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:40:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Andre Goree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:40:19 -0000 On 28 March 2011 10:37, Andre Goree wrote: > Hello, > > Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my > kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a > problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the kernel > rebuild and reboot. > > At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without rebuilding > world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date sources > and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? > > Thanks in advance. > > Andre Goree > andre@drenet.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > what is making you think you are running zfs v14? Are you looking at zpool status? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 09:05:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375651065675 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from arpnet.drenet.info (arpnet.drenet.info [174.136.104.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2149B8FC16 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from desktop.drenet.local (c-98-198-250-213.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.198.250.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andre@drenet.info) by arpnet.drenet.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 947299B7BF for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:05:19 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:05:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andre Goree" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.01 (Win32) Subject: Re: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:05:20 -0000 Thank you for responding. For two reasons I know it's running zfs v14 after the rebuild: 1) During boot, a message shows: ZFS Filesystem version 4 ZFS Storage pool version 14 2) After getting to the failed root mount point of the boot (after it fails to mount my zfs root), I enter: ufs:/dev/ad4s1a to get to my boot partition (which must remain UFS obviously, hehe), and try to mount my pools with the 'zfsmount' command, however it errors with something similar to: "storage pool version does not match" I can only get my system working again by manually moving /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.bad (or whatever) and replacing it with the previous kernel. :( On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:40:17 -0500, krad wrote: > On 28 March 2011 10:37, Andre Goree wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my >> kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a >> problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the >> kernel >> rebuild and reboot. >> >> At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without >> rebuilding >> world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date >> sources >> and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Andre Goree >> andre@drenet.info >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > what is making you think you are running zfs v14? Are you looking at > zpool > status? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 11:50:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6579106567D for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984AC8FC21 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so106646iwn.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aeVIOft5102lUiTYbfDb86RpfcVWeHCQKY2qdprMF4c=; b=gImY2qQCGT5srDzEDzqTjHTR7H+fiSXOmeUTyW4r9NmqF8f1wnVq/ik0uEid4X+dZn idsPfMzCtYviU1LcPqLRQoWvS6Ycn3cp7XUXwtg2xP+yVW/5F8UC/naEkyQLz2WTAclm GbznmH5TFiqlD5k55iEpd+RvafO8X5ncwcy2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=C09IT4wsNCf8tS0CIsKWltHXHzd+DARAmbE5/1NLM5ju8iSCU49C7jqhYZo0+sNFDI CylYQgHe5vkq3Hj9j4rXGdA06+Y59UnLedrtS+/XlaewwRx+3hbBl79uRZuLZr1DaFI8 bHx87NCATJabzg2PZha9M2O/7G+sYjYEqEc0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.152.198 with SMTP id j6mr4335851icw.316.1301399422825; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.222.7 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D915F24.5080607@radel.com> References: <201103280506.p2S56S5i052834@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4D9157FA.7070608@radel.com> <4D915F24.5080607@radel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: reverse dns in bind9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:50:23 -0000 hey guys, ok I fixed the reverse zone file and now it's working perfectly! @ IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr.gmail.com. ( 2011032901 ;serial 14400 ;refresh 3600 ;retry 604800 ;expire 10800 ;minimum ) 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns1.yournameserver.c= om. 42 IN PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. 43 IN PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. 44 IN PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 3/29/11 12:05 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: >> >> hello >> >> =A0no crabby comments on restart at all! >> >> LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/named restart >> Stopping named. >> Waiting for PIDS: 4970. >> Starting named. >> >> Ah but yes some complaints from the logs >> >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: >> ignoring out-of-zone data (summitnjhome.com) >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: >> master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:11: unexpected end of line >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: >> master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: unexpected end of input >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: >> loading from master file master/summitnjhome-reverse.db failed: >> unexpected end of input >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: not >> loaded due to errors. >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: running >> >> >> >> Tho I am not sure why it's complaining about unexpected end of input >> >> this is the whole file > > Really? =A0Judging from the line numbers in the log messages, you're miss= ing > about 3 lines that, I would hope, include something like > > IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com bluethunder.gmail.com ( >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 201103271 ; Serial, toda= ys date + todays serial >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 8H =A0 =A0 =A0; Refresh >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2H =A0 =A0 =A0; Retry >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4W =A0 =A0 =A0; Expire >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1D) =A0 =A0 ; Minimum TT= L >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NS =A0 =A0 =A0ns1.summitnjhome.com. >> summitnjhome.com. > > =A0^^^^^^^^ doesn't make much sense as data in this zone, error message 1 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0^ Whoa, Nelly, where's the rest of= this line? error > message 2 > > Oh, never mind, I'm so out of here.....ignore all that stuff below, messa= ges > 3 and 4 > >> 42 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> 43 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 44 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. >> 45 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 46 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. >> 47 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. >> 23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. >> 24 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. >> 21 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. >> 26 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. >> 27 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. >> 28 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. >> 29 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. >> 30 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. >> 31 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. >> 32 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. >> 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. >> 34 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. >> 35 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. >> 36 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. >> 37 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. >> 38 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. >> 39 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. >> 40 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. >> 41 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PTR =A0 =A0 virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. >> >> > > -- > > --Jon Radel > jon@radel.com > > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 17:40:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54B9106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860B68FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so205191gyg.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oV1dx/8gqjmDJKECdcq2Q/KSZxmGfjckPiDnQJhVoM4=; b=OIbGmbQdJ0+Vn19kg1QKGA563ffVk7POft3CNsaExjG7T66rpeCfktaHeTeicEtal4 7sdc/aP6NiV4fgegeoklLCtqLd8daA/+91xwP/TpJWobaVEnR+obyZ1OY04Gv4jDWzb6 CTKaVimecapTmTzCFPWk/zvaYmEqY9xocN4l8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=b8GjCY9CLC6muW7STvnnOyUGBsnw0eDfCtVDo3SqEFjOkxmyYzLULzhjLzxSaAdW2t M1ccQl3fFbjcrs9hq+Xyixduiu6SBZj0eYljz5fRy72JJ0SPazgPcO4jQEaXawH3EJ3J jj4mKXl8XnJVjhigsCMw1cnF5cXZekNNo2b7I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.66.44 with SMTP id g32mr94832yhd.137.1301420419671; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.168.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:40:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:40:21 -0000 First off, I'm on 9.0-CURRENT-i386, but I don't think that will make a difference for purposes of my question. I think the freebsd-current folks are expecting questions that are much harder than this one. I'm trying to use /etc/rc.d/netif to bring down and bring back up all network interfaces, because I'm trying to get the correct entries in /etc/rc.conf for testing some extra network cards. So right now, my /etc/rc.conf looks like this: defaultrouter="192.168.0.254" hostname="elmer.i" ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0" /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: domain i nameserver 192.168.0.254 I'm basically in a LAN. When I boot up this "elmer.i" machine, everything works well. Then, I do the following two commands: /etc/rc.d/netif stop /etc/rc.d/netif start After these, I'm still able to ping a raw IP LAN address such as 192.168.0.254. However, two problems start occurring: 1. I cannot ping an IP address that is outside of my LAN, e.g. > ping 64.156.192.169 PING 64.156.192.169 (64.156.192.169): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host 2. DNS (via 192.168.0.254 nameserver) won't work at first, but starts to magically work when I for example enable sshd and log in to elmer from another host on the LAN So the nut of my question is, I think "/etc/rc.d/netif stop" stops some additional things such as packet routing that the corresponding "/etc/rc.d/netif start" command won't start back up. So what is the best way to bring down the network and bring it back up again for purposes of testing /etc/rc.conf syntax? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 18:23:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266E9106566B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@experts-exchange.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A698FC13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C28874479D; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :content-type:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:subject :from:from:date:date:received:received:received; s=ee; t= 1301422998; x=1303237398; bh=lyCejGv3FsMJEhNjA9rWrlwDGpReVJ3z5gg XK5XH1GU=; b=rToG7ao/V5qZrGSEgMDGB2hywjYqN+uZ8npHlg0lh3Mg6Wr3i2D fQW8x8eod8ULs8WBBsE2jgndF0u/WqDRWUj5nUU2mJrmczNbSUAmOf0PqecBuqRr V5TyUR56orq9TLNUtSWGtVGgeaXfTyvQzTLOl5fAnrHn3HNve+WqydWQ= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gSse76EAhlWR; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from experts-exchange.com (unknown [72.29.180.81]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 685CF74479C; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (nullmailer pid 2447 invoked by uid 1001); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:19:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:19:49 -0700 From: Jason Helfman To: Nerius Landys Message-ID: <20110329181949.GH15983@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:23:19 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:40:19AM -0700, Nerius Landys thus spake: >First off, I'm on 9.0-CURRENT-i386, but I don't think that will make a >difference for purposes of my question. I think the freebsd-current >folks are expecting questions that are much harder than this one. > >I'm trying to use /etc/rc.d/netif to bring down and bring back up all >network interfaces, because I'm trying to get the correct entries in >/etc/rc.conf for testing some extra network cards. > >So right now, my /etc/rc.conf looks like this: > >defaultrouter="192.168.0.254" >hostname="elmer.i" >ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0" > >/etc/resolv.conf looks like this: > >domain i >nameserver 192.168.0.254 > >I'm basically in a LAN. When I boot up this "elmer.i" machine, >everything works well. > >Then, I do the following two commands: > > /etc/rc.d/netif stop > /etc/rc.d/netif start > >After these, I'm still able to ping a raw IP LAN address such as >192.168.0.254. However, two problems start occurring: > >1. I cannot ping an IP address that is outside of my LAN, e.g. >> ping 64.156.192.169 >PING 64.156.192.169 (64.156.192.169): 56 data bytes >ping: sendto: No route to host > >2. DNS (via 192.168.0.254 nameserver) won't work at first, but starts >to magically work when I for example enable sshd and log in to elmer >from another host on the LAN > > >So the nut of my question is, I think "/etc/rc.d/netif stop" stops >some additional things such as packet routing that the corresponding >"/etc/rc.d/netif start" command won't start back up. So what is the >best way to bring down the network and bring it back up again for >purposes of testing /etc/rc.conf syntax? In my experience, I've found it best to restart 'routing,' as well. /etc/rc.d/routing restart -jgh -- Jason Helfman System Administrator experts-exchange.com http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4830110.html E4AD 7CF1 1396 27F6 79DD 4342 5E92 AD66 8C8C FBA5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 18:52:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B305106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7978FC12 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so245362yxl.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ldCPm0np9tBF7hdOoQyeMDk7kSO0kVaVNrSqX6j2yLs=; b=K9udlgIKaJb4X/inxuQXr+bVkYwwa7nrDc8FzoLVjCwxWIEfhoNe0GLtK6GcPPaCZX bDkeibJDt92GmoP1laLfegINWUgVLTzRhy33jRDRjUWyOiVfi94oKNheg/VjtuH72kXi MgT5b76IvhpdZMFv96/ElmSOPQfIJxKenO4GQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=igtNaab22RO2j+/T5UXEHlZZzyP5FW22XOd1QqF9tAvooFsHWOl94LYUnLzbykgAEZ 5bZp/Bxqbv24TE1/iDo8DEaJ3ohrFGGXX9zVQiNXYtBblEGd67HHvRdej1xRm7eYrqHM FYHUdVWVp5xD6MRlw4W3NYpAXyVWyietr8MXk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.109.1 with SMTP id r1mr268331yhg.37.1301424754894; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.168.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110329181949.GH15983@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <20110329181949.GH15983@eggman.experts-exchange.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: Jason Helfman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:52:36 -0000 > In my experience, I've found it best to restart 'routing,' as well. > > /etc/rc.d/routing restart Yes indeed thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 20:14:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5D106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com) Received: from meso.stormserver1.net (meso.stormserver1.net [72.52.153.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B112B8FC1C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mn-74-5-64-245.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([74.5.64.245]:48086 helo=localhost) by meso.stormserver1.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4erT-0005py-DV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:27 -0500 From: Jason Hsu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.18.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meso.stormserver1.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jasonhsu.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:14:11 -0000 I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 20:32:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BA41065672 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7518FC18 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C3950D66; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:32:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1964E5789BF; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:32:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131205789BD; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:32:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:32:01 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Jason Hsu' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:32:01 -0500 Thread-Topic: Easiest desktop BSD distro Thread-Index: AcvuTfcGR063/n7USVigbq3rPUOcGQAAZYQQ Message-ID: <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:32:03 -0000 I've always "heard" PC-BSD is the way to go on the desktop, so if that's no= t going too well then I'm not sure. I don't think there is a BSD that Paris and Jessica would be able to instal= l. Then again, that's not really what made them noteworthy. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hsu Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:45 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a= distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word pro= cessing, etc.).=20=20 But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take= too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to= enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and = DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install = and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has to= o many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Int= ernet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-e= stablished, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and h= as a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recomm= end Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the anal= ogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD = distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the = Sea" Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD d= istros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. --=20 Jason Hsu _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 20:41:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C322E106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4CE8FC20 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4fjW-0004MA-VR; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:47 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4fjW-0000qu-HO; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:46 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2TKfkRX055144; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2TKfkd4055143; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:46 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Jason Hsu Message-ID: <20110329204146.GA55123@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Jason Hsu , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:48 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. > > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. > I'm not sure I understand the question. Have you actually installed FreeBSD? Are you familiar with FreeBSD Ports system? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:01:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52953106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B0C8FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2TKxi5r084244; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:59:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p2TKxiPf084243; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:59:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:59:44 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Jason Hsu Message-ID: <20110329205944.GA84145@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:01:44 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. > > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. FreeBSD is just one OS. There are some other BSD's such as PC-BSD, but it is not like Lunix with many different candy coatings over the same chewy carmel center. In BSD, each is its own OS, although there are definite similarities. If you really mean to learn BSD, then download the latest FreeBSD RELEASE (which is 8.2 at the moment) installation ISO, burn it, install it, configure it and use it. Everything goes on it easily from /usr/ports/... Just follow the handbook. In FreeBSD, the handbook is your friend followed by the man pages and Google. They are very good compared to what you find elsewhere on other systems. If you are not willing to do that, then really you are not that interested in learning it, so why bother. As for the Grub issue, I have dual booted FreeBSD alongside of various MS stuff many times with no problem and no need of Grub. I just make sure the MS is installed first and then use the FreeBSD MBR. It is quite plain and not pretty, but works just fine. I haven't tried W-7 yet. But, although I have installed numerous Linux machines, mostly CentOS, and they use Grub, I have never dual booted a Linux and never had to configure Grub to deal with that. I think, a long time and many versions ago, the FreeBSD MBR could boot the more well known Linuxen in a dual boot situation, but who knows how more weird it has gotten since then. I am quite certain that Grub will boot FreeBSD, because FreeBSD still uses the most standard, most common old fashioned DOS boot protocol to get started -- and just getting the first block read in and executing is all you need of the MBR which is what Grub is as well as FreeBSD MBR. So, just whack on FreeBSD and learn it. Once you know it pretty well you can play around with dual booting Lunix if you still want to or maybe you will discover the cleaner and more straightforward BSD system more to your liking and just stick with it. Who knows. It should only take a few days. ////jerry > > -- > Jason Hsu > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:03:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896CC1065680 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh3.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EF08FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh3.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4fmg-0007uN-8U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:45:03 -0400 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:45:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:45:01 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="54u2kuW9sGWg/X+X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh3.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:03:51 -0000 --54u2kuW9sGWg/X+X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BS= D distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of th= e Sea" Simpson can handle it? To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. --=20 =2Eo. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --54u2kuW9sGWg/X+X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkkTNAAoJEIpckszW26+RtMMIALmJaLCg2qoIuwUO58o/445D Y0OikA+56v27HVL3Q9bl2nu2kiu6G0U7e1ny7wm1hIPmDIsAB/8wkHyHST/jBE1+ QsK8aid85pUef0DlBXoHCJnEPNEeaRkyuIdZjx9rGIb6xTmdXXTVK8ah12lVCprt y/duJdMfBxyjYbSecynBgryHh7fjaa5uDiMWezRxSKbXPFgjmEFfXwhwkEsrnejE GX3R1ZJHzA7zte5O+vhx2P0EGqPmubWbfcYfp1+kMBmkSNffQ2FOq64hjhoXhdYJ /+QPPfbFKrAGhAFZnIHKTaJ+/3kmjzODvXXazVaNGnks/LKQxVYsVPWIs14vVVY= =0rqR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --54u2kuW9sGWg/X+X-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:19:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E786C106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from william.e.brown@adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mailguard-send.adelaide.edu.au (pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au [192.43.227.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB288FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:19:42 +0000 (UTC) X-SBRS: None X-Listener: MTA_SUBM X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAG9Mkk3LesJt/2dsb2JhbACmR4h5smWIbIVqBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,264,1299418200"; d="sig'?scan'208";a="9762971" Received: from ppp194-109.static.internode.on.net (HELO kanade.firstyear.id.au) ([203.122.194.109]) by talos-private.services.adelaide.edu.au with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Mar 2011 07:49:33 +1030 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-217-1003824425" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: William Brown In-Reply-To: <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:49:31 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> To: freebsd general questions X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:19:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-217-1003824425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What = desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica = "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? >=20 > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton = could > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can = drive. There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however.=20= > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself = with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, = word processing, etc.). =20 >=20 > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would = take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out = what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. If you want to learn, then facing challenges is the best way to learn. = Be prepared to spend some time doing research. Have two computers on = hand, one with your FreeBSD, and another with linux or something known = working on it that you can do your research on. Backup everything before = you start, in case of the worst. I have wiped many machines by accident = while learning (and as such learn the value of backups and how to = restore systems).=20 You will not master anything unless you actually put in the time and = effort. Facing challenges will catalyse this process.=20 Sincerely, William Brown Research & Teaching, Technology Services The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 CRICOS Provider Number 00123M = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- IMPORTANT: This message may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you think it was sent to you by mistake, please delete = all copies and advise the sender. For the purposes of the SPAM Act 2003, = this email is authorised by The University of Adelaide. pgp.mit.edu --Apple-Mail-217-1003824425 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNkkzjAAoJEDwKxtqy+Siie3wP/iEWWYWZn0l208bOFFK/RiOV TO3SOmxJ5ymW7gSnBHsNGRkjQVrqse+mNmBt1QYEpzpqJjxaFuyJD2+ZKNQQ8P4i YYClGf0A3+Pnna4YE1NTbqca4aIFty0/oMzSNSGx/MwWXePb6Zcj6clw/kbdv2wv 4F5CbnpgYbly6WBTXZCgKaVXKKOqxSF5s066xu6YoLejofzkjGnBam4XY1/38/Ds YdXhmxpgMOiEm0VbPSgwPF5HcpP9BqJXo/CqnvwBPAMXhqvL7WNlLudQ1Lakxhjv rnvBnBwSda9nGa5a+YIemwZHcV7863ZUKDzJboyOtLUaFM+1c9gKjBtFd4hL5aRz EMcLzjYlduISQptH7dD3JwH8FUFXQ+acwMEddZIQ8TyKtzOZ08lFt9HPXcDEJSsQ odk3UyLdof7z/hxRuFEWo3nhXZgF0esiWlm6VoBWkHk4v9HRV0ohGVgPvte60qgd K69/1f9MkZYVaXnk+zVYQkR7ddQ3u6QY0kfDEgBDqKLkNSuUJwpIFmBCRCy0amJg 2BIbVEve19DCLtdjqtLd3ApTPd6J1FQmeYMLD6HJBq8WAgMWnQAxuWehQfop9MCH eDquKSFn/IUPbqzbebgY/5qpLMJMl8KDk0eXhqaSmdye7jwQLU7Sp5is5eRm6KBs lxla+AvosmPfEvv0ekxg =h9v0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-217-1003824425-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:21:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498B71065673 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043938FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so310398yie.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vLBotcZVReCncMHuSwK1LF+hET7SJhPsXRCODai7+Iw=; b=F3a4O9OcnqYNDUC65mwsR0tePJVtr2qdqvfyz3JzqzxVAkHKyq2ECe13RBKCDBLzYm 368CIxkwvZcnBE1Q/f6hlGENximvFYBzqezHX8xxcMlUp93GFeeVRnjKtO6a/VDXtVpt upgaYPWNV/vI1PENNBVazGKoxK7ECt1vgO8Cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eQ2NSt2Eloa/BOECOicm/MZc5lV6wtmR41GLITAx8gmVZ6XtMaEcPvyDMFkqSFgFyo wI21ie/TFt8Wu7gbil20G52DcmlPe36Jtm8pSkSzFpUsvclTytkCDqFxJdbogXE6v8fB N4gEVMo6I7/WZDcqjhglma7ykquOGROFjmynQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.183.162 with SMTP id q22mr484845yhm.87.1301433660570; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.168.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:21:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: Jason Hsu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:21:02 -0000 > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. =A0It would = take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. =A0I couldn't figure out w= hat to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. =A0I tried PC-BSD, GhostB= SD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. =A0I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow t= o install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. =A0Gho= stBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my lapto= p and my Internet connection on my desktop. =A0DragonflyBSD didn't boot up = in Virtualbox. To boot FreeBSD, you need the code in the master boot record to simply pass control to the boot sector code sitting in the FreeBSD partiton. The boot sector code on the FreeBSD partition has everything it needs to boot FreeBSD. So, in GRUB: title FreeBSD root (hd0,2) makeactive chainloader +1 (hd0,2) means FreeBSD is on the 3rd partition of the hard drive. Side note: When you install FreeBSD there is an option to "don't touch the MBR" (master boot record). However in practice and with certain versions of FreeBSD I have found that even with the "don't touch" selected, it still modifies little things in the MBR. Therefore, I would recommend backing up the 512 bytes in the MBR on your system so that you can restore in case things become unbootable, which was the case for me when I installed CURRENT a few days ago. Another side note: FreeBSD might not be for the faint at heart. It's very powerful however. For me, FreeBSD is an opportunity to learn more about how computers actually work. And I'm delighted by the experience. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:23:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59508106566B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh3.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1999C8FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh3.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4gOD-0000gu-Gd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:23:50 -0400 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:23:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:23:48 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd general questions Message-ID: <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd general questions References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DwoPkXS38qd3dnhB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh3.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:23:53 -0000 --DwoPkXS38qd3dnhB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: >=20 > On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop= BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of= the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > >=20 > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. >=20 > There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however.= =20 >=20 Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more responsibility and more steps to completion. --=20 =2Eo. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --DwoPkXS38qd3dnhB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkk3kAAoJEIpckszW26+RUyIIAJbS/tS4c14t7nQunn4UNfdJ VRnkNtDvNu3SKLFDxfxaEK6Thzot9Q3rRCLLOKjwyqMsuatz98xK1Tp+5xl0zPmA tNyjGoIkc5OVypr4GBpmzA5Yjs7CJzRRruMuM9TVswytzdbOW56f2wTy/nfMdfaU 2dOpOz89zEtxpLHRDuqiEqY+meNWeLEvWShhNyH2al6adZ+XuJOK41Z/6dZMfmFn x9PUM/9qncfgrD3YxD/68UenCaGJ3GD+slutXhgc1NZHGl7W6SIgyYL/Ljt6AA7m ktP2iqzd9Bo6zqk/GkJWBnAAyPvI45sgk+qHarr0T4stGXfSiyM2QOyvLWhKDNs= =jp5m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DwoPkXS38qd3dnhB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:30:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F891065670 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75CA8FC1F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so675639wyf.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type; bh=BlTtAsBGnc3rFRpG8WqnJAtRwcUq8agSlF1pt/ZSWac=; b=QWHoaF3zN5uCRWt/hUronEpJpK8UUy7OS/pAH5BHHkxF3gCEUGD//7hoGFrL17miW1 2DCbXWtzU2ghq8zUdooZeRPDc752cLxH5gmDVfdFDSKnctP0wK6RrzCjwJnrpFyvHWdi yTW85LIj8PSouaL0SWZpXNjHJi6IQhb+AXNFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=sZ9+siavHmtC6VVIKhTZfC8j2bm01xpqtdfsA7I+7GBLrzROEm+GMIKfBiDNwSXYIP KWtc91xiLLhmywoI+Ty8HMmpVCM7u4xHngByFhh/sFcIgbXgORohEhFEEJUcP1jhRDDo dhAeJ4CZXniya5YWHdEgXMTL6rwps1H03r26c= Received: by 10.227.139.14 with SMTP id c14mr366108wbu.55.1301434220783; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.elkotek ([78.163.45.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm2656465wbg.34.2011.03.29.14.30.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D924F65.3080601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:30:13 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a8WfaW4gQWtkZW5peg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; tr-TR; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9" Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ...I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to a= dopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.= ). There is no distro in BSDworld. BSD family is complete operating system. Linux distros are a combination of a kernel and all the tools necessary for an operating system to work properly. >=20 > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would = take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking... > BSD operatings system family has many member. Each one is develeoped with a common criteria that users and -almost- developers are the same people. So it is not a surprise that you had trouble with the configuration. The configuration troubles can be solved by reading the documentation and applying it. Also the hardware has got its nasty part. Not all hardware are BSD compatible. Some may work and some may not. Consult the release notes before attempting to installing and trying to configure the hardware. An unsupported piece of hardware would consume your time for nothing but pain. >=20 > ...I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. > I have 10+ years old computers that could not run those Linux distributions you had mentioned but could easily run FreeBSD and OpenBSD current branches as well as STABLE and RELEASE. There is no analogous choice for BSD familiy of operatings systems from my point of view compared to Linux distros you've mentioned. There is no flash for BSD. Ypu need Linux compatibility and Linux stuff is needed to install flash. I do not nedd flash. No codec needed on my boxes. >=20 > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? > There is no BSD distro. > > What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jes= sica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > It is quite common that anyone can suggest PC-BSD for "easy to use" keeping in mind "casual computer user". Though I am not sure Paris or Jessica is "casual". I prefer FreeBSD and OpenBSD for my laptops and desktops also for servers, network management and for all kind of computing stuff. >=20 > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these B= SD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. >=20 Well, try to install OpenBSD as it is straight forward to install. OpenBSD doetects and configures all the hardware if supported. Installer is text based. Just answer the questions and you are done. Desktop is FVWM. You may not like the look and feel. You can install another desktop or window manager via packages. The ISO files for installation is quite small ~ 200MiB in size. Consult the OpenBSD FAQ before downloading and installing it. Patches are released as source code not binary. You have to compile and install patches, fallow the instructions of the relevent patches. And a couple of words: Read the documentationand make sure you understand it! Read the release notes and errata! Check the compatibility of the hardware you have! Backup you data! There is no BSD distro thing! BSD is direct descendent of UNIX! (so things are quite different in BSD realm) --=20 G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz (G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz) Anahtar parmakizi/key fingerprint =3D FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758= F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi/expire date: 2011-06-08] --------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNkk9pAAoJEOdY9JqKXfiuzloP/0LvsbJyTN7UEhl2eUz/46dz pVZyZyIvanqgagTNswel0cJGVSC+TcNLE12jFZs7JEe0KX06G51eJ6/vBS32WDIs ruoIZSl9VR6ZIXIF4UrVdh/MJ2n80KQN7LqG5KNDfZ4BqYk6oBmvA/GbjDDu5p0o fsXAnmh7Mh9SQApiX6gYzFCUvkQThiUm4NIkE/zWiJQeYC02Byysh70i7XVcoMGf eedOJczf9omZ6mx+fg9iScPtUMLcizORFhPUCyNv6QeftSvh7VfUIM8Q85YPAEUN t337enMby1mmAzED2TFO9EisBI9P8QMtfRNp3aJjhbWKwrBJInv5ihiKSqoZSbnw M38UFpkSG+szLPQlEWo7tkiO9lZeQ2BrbB+qbyg6s1a5flS5L6vGPBAcm+vxu8NV uIlUjlou1QmW7n+J7OBrMgBBUrlnhgZqulbwNh4tTSCXJj1lfmSgNdD4o59Mpr5B 4EXZntRn/ABKIU1n29MjZG9jZz+MaTRCO4xI2C6+LV3OeQgdhm+L3c4Obe65AOTd NKYjM8mD1/O/UaXYaX29aQLwdL8h1kKeiTsjuMkVlplwfDvDi9MD1IJ70e0DDguD 1KbwJ1WKQbJsum8S2Ds+bS8JnsudFtuBpLanryMvm4C4PiLiN7JyOAR/+mEVbVgH iUZttowtKLn5zT4fq+s7 =Vk5n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:41:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1891065677 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF3C8FC12 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2TLdajS084659 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p2TLdadc084658 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: freebsd general questions Message-ID: <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:41:36 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > > On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: > > > > >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > > > > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > > > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. > > > > There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. > > > Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, > a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more > responsibility and more steps to completion. But often better eventual results. Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered rather than simpler. Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. ////jerry > > -- > .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com > ..o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com > ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:43:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A4D106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBF78FC19 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BF81E0FF; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:43:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2TLhQ95001522; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:43:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:43:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jason Hsu Message-Id: <20110329234326.2b8dad1c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:43:29 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:27 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I may emphasize the word LEARN. You'll see why later on. :-) > I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro > is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, > word processing, etc.). This is a typical use for FreeBSD. For example, I'm using it as my home desktop for many years now. One thing to keep in mind: In opposite to the Linusi, FreeBSD does not come in different distributions. It is ONE operating system. The base system is standardized. You can install additional software by two means: either from source, using the ports collection, or from precompiled binary packages. Depending on your needs, one solution may be better than the other. You can also use both ways in combination. Systems like PC-BSD use the FreeBSD operating system (the base system) and come with software preinstalled and preconfigured. PC-BSD is very KDE-centric (which maybe is no problem). It also has a third way of installing software: It seems to be primarily intended to be friendly to those users who feel familiar with the strange concept of downloading stuff with a web browser when they want to install something. > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. There is EXCELLENT documentation that will help you: The FAQ and the handbook can be viewed online. They cover the most common things related to FreeBSD. The friendly community of this mailing list will also help you if you encounter a problem. Please be patient and read the documentation FIRST. Really, it is that simple, and it is important. > It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. Admittedly, building and configuring a system from scratch takes some time. It also REQUIRES you to have certain knowledge. Trial & error will lead you nowhere (except into problems). Still, as you wanted to LEARN FreeBSD, this is a good chance. You'll learn the basics of UNIX, which are ESSENTIAL if you want to survive in the UNIX world, no matter if you are on a BSD, on Linux, or on one of the commercial UNIXes; basically, you will find yourself in "learning by doing". > I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot > Linux and BSD. As I'm not a "multi-booter", I would assume that it is sufficient to add an entry to the GRUB configuration file to point to the slice / partition where you did install FreeBSD into. It should be /dev/sda, where is the correct partition number. FreeBSD also has its own boot loader. The default MBR boot system boots FreeBSD. You can also install the boot manager which would allow you to boot FreeBSD or Linux. I've been using it in the past, but that was maaaaaaany years ago. > I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. Do you plan to use FreeBSD in a VirtualBox environment or do you have the chance to install it on "real hardware"? If so - DO IT. You'll often see better results. There's also FreeSBIE. It's a lightweight and versatile FreeBSD live file system that you can boot AND USE from CD. It's very good for checking hardware compatibility. > I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, > and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. Maybe you should direct your PC-BSD related questions to the respective boards or mailing lists. > GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the > keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. Okay, that looks like a total no-go. > DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I'm not sure if this OS - derived from FreeBSD - is primarily intended for desktop use... but as the BSDs are multi-purpose operating systems (embedded, desktop, server, mixed forms), it should be possible... > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. I've been starting with Slackware in the 90s... :-) It taught me the UNIX basics that I can now apply ANYWHERE in the UNIX world. I'm not sure most "user-friendly" distros do that anymore, as they tend to hide the essential stuff behind GUIs. When there is no CLI, you won't learn ANYTHING. > It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes > codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like > user interface. The last point would be a no-go for me as I know much better interfaces (more user-friendly, more productive) from my "IT career". :-) Codecs are no problem on FreeBSD, you install them as any other software. Keep in mind that because of lawyer-blah, lobby-blah and idiots-blah the codecs are not included in the base system. > For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or > antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous > choice in the BSD world. All the BSDs have hardware requirements (for the respective operating systems) that make any "modern" Linux cry. Basically, you need to CHOOSE WISELY which software you use. There is lots of good stuff that can even turn "grampa-PCs" into usable workstations. For example, I have a 300 MHz P2 with 512 MB RAM and 6 GB disk that still works very well and all (!) the so-called "modern" stuff. > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? There are no BSD distros. :-) Use FreeBSD. > What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris > Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? No idea who those persons (?) are. Please try to understand a simple fact: PCs aren't easy. They've never been. They probably never will be. Use your brain. Use your eyes. Read. Observe and conclude. Think. With those simple tools you will be able to install FreeBSD very fast. See the documentation (handbook, FAQ) about how to install FreeBSD and then add one of the big two (KDE or Gnome) as a GUI. From there on, define your target. Install the programs you need. Configure them. THIS is the ONLY way you LEARN something. > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, > and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours > to download PC-BSD. It comes as a DVD, right? For FreeBSD, you can start with the small CD file to boot into the installation. Required files will then be transferred via Internet. You can also use CD #1 for that, or the live file system (should be able to be used as an installation starter too, not fully sure). Oh, and please remember: Everything that I've said is just my very individual opinion, my own experience. Everyone else has the right to express a totally different opinion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:58:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF87B106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760388FC14 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so693552vxc.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:58:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a0OVkAyKlcQunxP7gjJU+X76MUu9+B0fRPFtsJJ1V/U=; b=pA9PeKeN668h0D9yGlHeaJbvqg8v4J2YDMdUdfSjaFt+YOG7JhDObG7X3tquOHL1Nv 8wQFQH/YQ6pPdSLdL5sh/l72yn39qyoo9YO2v3dw/gVXOpYtg3VDHIN0et3psz3PtSxZ SBuon8k0jRGG6X+sORzw1HAFba5XmKW2QqAOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UnDcLBGRl5+jSqXayE3VomMKJ+PQoVKEcd2X6Q7iF76gjxVoH1P0cBQm53FDCFt7jA 4qv+PgsSP+gnB0HHxHz+ZTKXvRIJZTx+U98OmxrG5i7/rvhfnNADVvKJg//bhS98X8ER oxCvCy8bTuOS8SODU9T+R5htr/8tx2IP7TAic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.18.5 with SMTP id s5mr491812vdd.156.1301435910132; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.167.167 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:58:30 +0000 Message-ID: From: Jim To: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: opening a shared object / failing with Undefined Symbol. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:58:32 -0000 On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jim wrote: >> I have an application that opens two .so files with dlopen(3): >> =A0/usr/local/lib/libag_core.so >> =A0/usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so >> >> Both files exist >> Running nm(1) against each produces a lot of output, showing all the >> symbols I know to exist in each library. >> >> My application gets a null return from dlopen on the libag_gui.so. >> >> dlerror produces the following string: >> =A0"/usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so Undefined symbol "agTimingLock" >> >> $ nm /usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so | grep agTiming >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 U agTimingLock >> >> I'm guessing that means that agTimingLock is used in that library but >> not defined? >> >> $ nm /usr/local/lib/libag_core.so | grep agTiming >> 0000000000141c00 B agTimingLock >> >> And this would mean that it is defined in libag_core.so? > > Yes, but it's in the uninitialized data section: > > % man nm > ... > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "B" > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "b" The symbol is in the uninitialized data section (= known as BSS). > > What is the "ag" library? Which version are you using? What sort of > dlopen() call did you try to run? > The "ag" library is libagar ( http://libagar.org/ ): The code amounts to the following: void * coredl =3D dlopen("/usr/local/lib/libag_core.so", 0) void * guidl =3D dlopen("/usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so", 0) and the function: int (*AG_InitCore)(const char * title, int flags); int (*AG_InitGraphics)(const char * drv); *((void *)AG_InitCore) =3D dlsym(coredl, "AG_InitCore"); *((void *)AG_InitGraphics) =3D dlsym(guidl, "AG_InitGraphics"); The prototypes for the AG_* functions match. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 22:00:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF07106566B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D248FC19 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D701E470; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2TM08hc001609; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd general questions Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:00:10 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered > rather than simpler. The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding, deriving, understanding). Simple things SIMPLE, complex things POSSIBLE. FreeBSD utilizes this approach by providing small "units" that fulfill a certain purpose and that can be combined to do something more complex, instead of trying to build a "one size fits all" complex that denies the simplest choices. Sadly, such things are more common in software than you want them to be... > Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required > tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up > by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. A good preconfiguration does help. If common tasks are already well prepared, built-ins can be very helpful. Instead, you often find a "pile of garbage" in software that you're forced to pick what you intend to use, always hoping it will work as intended. If problems occur and you want to diagnose what's wrong - well, big problem. As nobody thought of doing so, you don't have the option to diagnose anything. Is THAT simple? I don't think so. +----------------------------+ | | | An error occured! | | | | (Yes) (No) (All) | | | +----------------------------+ :-) The often called attribute "simple" does take the opportunity to LEARN. As it has been initially mentioned, the OP wants to learn BSD. So how can anybody learn if there is no way to do so, because the "simple" concept states: You'll do it THAT way. You can't do it differently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Period. Reboot and try again. There's also the belief (as in church) that certain systems or programs are simple because WHEN problems occur, they are ignored, or solving them is delegated to somebody else who has the knowledge and experience to do so. For the user, the mystic "It's so simple, it does anything on its own!" prevails and gets communicated to others, although it's just wrong. Aggressive advertising also uses this approach. After all, I'll repeat my statement: PCs are not simple. Face it, it's a fact. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 22:12:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB261065675 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0623c498d=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-001.utdallas.edu (ip-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BD08FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:12:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcKAJhRkk2BbgogVmdsb2JhbAClWgEhAiSJHrtMhWoEhTw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,264,1299477600"; d="scan'208";a="57057208" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 29 Mar 2011 16:43:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:43:47 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Chip Camden , freebsd general questions Message-ID: <2A2860B5F02EF0C306529399@utd71538.local> In-Reply-To: <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:12:55 -0000 --On March 29, 2011 2:23:48 PM -0700 Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: >> >> On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: >> >> >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What >> >> desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or >> >> Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? >> > >> > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could >> > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. >> >> There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. >> > Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, > a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more > responsibility and more steps to completion. I totally agree. However, there are different degrees of choices. For example, an installer that says, "Now it's time to partition your disk. Go do that, and when you finish, I'll return you to this screen for the next step." is demonstrably different from one that says, "Now it's time to partition your disk. Would you like me to use these displayed defaults? Or would you like to make your own decisions?" Then, once you've selected option 2 it says, "What would you like to name this partition? (note, you MUST have a root partition, represented by "/". The former is not "user friendly". The latter is more so. Yes, you can go to the Handbook and read about partitions, and you can google about them and learn more, but the first time you install FreeBSD and you're staring at that screen, it's daunting for some folks. It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such as "Experienced User, Minimal Prompts", "Familiar User, Additional Prompts and "First Time User, Walk me through it step by step." -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 22:16:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AC2106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9659D8FC17 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R9xC1g00C0x6nqcAAAGgcg; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:40 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RAGe1g00T1f6R9u8YAGeZP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:39 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110329221637.GC32087@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110329205944.GA84145@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110329205944.GA84145@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.2.3i X-Composer: Vim 7.3 Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:41 -0000 On Tue 29 Mar 2011 at 13:59:44 PDT Jerry McAllister wrote: >On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > >> I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). >> >> But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. >> >> I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. >> >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? >> >> Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. > >FreeBSD is just one OS. There are some other BSD's such as PC-BSD, >but it is not like Lunix with many different candy coatings over the >same chewy carmel center. In BSD, each is its own OS, although there >are definite similarities. > >If you really mean to learn BSD, then download the latest FreeBSD RELEASE >(which is 8.2 at the moment) installation ISO, burn it, install it, >configure it and use it. Everything goes on it easily from /usr/ports/... >Just follow the handbook. In FreeBSD, the handbook is your friend >followed by the man pages and Google. They are very good compared to >what you find elsewhere on other systems. > >If you are not willing to do that, then really you are not that >interested in learning it, so why bother. To put what Jerry said in another way, if what you mean by "configuring FreeBSD to my liking" is making it look, feel and behave as much as possible like the Linux and Windows systems you're familiar with, you aren't really learning FreeBSD at all. To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things. Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design decisions, unforeseen consequences and problem resolutions. Some problems that arise on one OS never come up on another, because they approach things from entirely different angles. There are also some rather significant differences in the goals and tastes of the user communities associated with different OSes. BSD folk don't necessarily have the same interests as Linux folk, just as Mac people are different from Windows people, and Windows people are different from anyone in the world of Unix-like operatings systems. And Plan 9 people are different from all the rest of them put together. ;) The whole point of learning more than one OS, in my opinion, is to explore the strengths and weaknesses of different designs, development philosophies and ways of using computers. Otherwise, you're just being a software dilettante. >So, just whack on FreeBSD and learn it. Once you know it pretty well >you can play around with dual booting Lunix if you still want to or >maybe you will discover the cleaner and more straightforward BSD system >more to your liking and just stick with it. Who knows. It should only >take a few days. > >////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 22:22:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9173D106566C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2958FC13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BBC3CD1C; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:22:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2TMMc9f001680; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:22:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:22:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Message-Id: <20110330002238.e6524abf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2A2860B5F02EF0C306529399@utd71538.local> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <2A2860B5F02EF0C306529399@utd71538.local> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chip Camden , freebsd general questions Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:22:41 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:43:47 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such > as "Experienced User, Minimal Prompts", "Familiar User, Additional Prompts > and "First Time User, Walk me through it step by step." Even GeoWorks Ensemble had that back in the early 90s: New user, average user, experienced user. Depending on the setting, more or less options where shown, and less or more defaults have been set. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 22:31:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168FA106566B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DF78FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FAB3CB7A; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2TMVjuu001693; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:31:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:31:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Charlie Kester Message-Id: <20110330003145.f2215241.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110329221637.GC32087@comcast.net> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110329205944.GA84145@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110329221637.GC32087@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:31:48 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: > To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own > terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things. > Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design > decisions, unforeseen consequences and problem resolutions. Some > problems that arise on one OS never come up on another, because they > approach things from entirely different angles. A very well formed statement. > The whole point of learning more than one OS, in my opinion, is to > explore the strengths and weaknesses of different designs, development > philosophies and ways of using computers. Otherwise, you're just being > a software dilettante. You basically also learn "thinking approaches", to conclude things and to estimate facts. This of course requires the OS and programs to act in a deterministic way. When learning things about UNIX, you learn POSTABLE things. Even if something is differently named or done on various UNIXes, you *KNOW* that they actually are the same (or utilizing the same service, the same principles, the same ideas). Which this kind of knowledge, you can find your way around in ANY UNIX operating system (and often even in Linux) because those share imporant ideas, and don't abandon them just to look "new" and "shiny". If you know those basic stuff, you're even able to locate it deep inside software that claims to be "all new" and "all different". This enables you to adopt to many variations of the same "old thing" as you do know what's "inside" it. ONLY THIS KIND of essential basic knowledge makes you a real professional - in opposite to dilletantic artists in IT. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 23:23:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655F2106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7128FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so350655yxl.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.62.193 with SMTP id y41mr661146yhc.4.1301441002097; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p52sm2133614yhm.75.2011.03.29.16.23.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F928E54809 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:23:23 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:07 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister > wrote: > > Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered > > rather than simpler. > > The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on > present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding, > deriving, understanding). > > Simple things SIMPLE, complex things POSSIBLE. FreeBSD > utilizes this approach by providing small "units" that > fulfill a certain purpose and that can be combined to > do something more complex, instead of trying to build > a "one size fits all" complex that denies the simplest > choices. Sadly, such things are more common in software > than you want them to be... > > > > > Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required > > tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up > > by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. > > A good preconfiguration does help. If common tasks are > already well prepared, built-ins can be very helpful. > Instead, you often find a "pile of garbage" in software > that you're forced to pick what you intend to use, always > hoping it will work as intended. If problems occur and > you want to diagnose what's wrong - well, big problem. > As nobody thought of doing so, you don't have the option > to diagnose anything. > > Is THAT simple? I don't think so. > > +----------------------------+ > | | > | An error occured! | > | | > | (Yes) (No) (All) | > | | > +----------------------------+ > > :-) > > The often called attribute "simple" does take the opportunity > to LEARN. As it has been initially mentioned, the OP wants > to learn BSD. So how can anybody learn if there is no way to > do so, because the "simple" concept states: You'll do it THAT > way. You can't do it differently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't > work. Period. Reboot and try again. > > There's also the belief (as in church) that certain systems > or programs are simple because WHEN problems occur, they are > ignored, or solving them is delegated to somebody else who > has the knowledge and experience to do so. For the user, the > mystic "It's so simple, it does anything on its own!" prevails > and gets communicated to others, although it's just wrong. > Aggressive advertising also uses this approach. After all, > I'll repeat my statement: PCs are not simple. Face it, it's > a fact. :-) Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own level of expertise and desires. Example: there are millions of cars and drivers in the world. Now, how many of those drivers truly want to do more than drive their vehicle from point A to point B unencumbered by the nuances of their vehicle? Now, if an individual wants to learn to be a class 1 mechanic, that is fine; however, requiring it to just operate a vehicle is absurd. When I was a kid, I use to tear down motors and rebuild them for competition racing. Today, I won't even waste my time changing the oil on my own car. I don't have the time to waste and I can easily afford to have others who want to do that for a living attend to it. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 23:48:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248E1106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853F8FC12 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C40C1DAB8; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2TNmK6C001880; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:48:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:48:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:48:23 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own > level of expertise and desires. I can just speak from my individual point of view. I do NOT claim that my experiences and knowledge are universal. Therefore, my view is limited, which I honestly can admit. > Example: there are millions of cars and drivers in the world. Ah, people LOVE car analogies. :-) > Now, how > many of those drivers truly want to do more than drive their vehicle > from point A to point B unencumbered by the nuances of their vehicle? > Now, if an individual wants to learn to be a class 1 mechanic, that is > fine; however, requiring it to just operate a vehicle is absurd. Let me use your example and make a computer relation projection into that analogy: People who want to use a car to get from A to be do not have to be class 1 mechanics. However, they need to know the rules of the traffic, all the funny signs and the lights, the round thing in the middle, the 4 round rubber things, the things where you press with feet, and that special magic key that makes the engine start. Denying that those require LEARNING and PRACTICING is just denying reality. Example: Tech: Driver tech support. How may I serve you? Driver: This my car doesn't start. T: I see. What is the car's brand name, model, manufacture year? D: I don't know. I bought it to get to the market, why would I give a damn. T: Alright, alright, relax. Let's try to fix it without this information (sigh). Is there any fuel in the tank? D: Hmm Fuel, you say. How would I know? T: Look at the control panel. Where does the arrow point, E or F? D: Where is the control panel? T: It should be tight behind the steering wheel, if you are sitting in the driver's chair. D: Ah! I see... There are a lot of arrows here, which one should I look at? T: Look at the one which has E or F written near it. There might be a gas station drawn near it as well. D: Ahhh! I see. The arrow points at zero. T: What do you mean, zero? D: Yes! Right at zero. And there is also x1000 written near the arrow. Is that the model of the car? X-1000? T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. D: Ahhh. I see, I see! The arrow is between E and F. T: Excellent! Then we know at least that you have fuel. Now let's check the battery. Do you see the steering wheel? D: Yeah. T: Press right in the middle of it. D: (a loud beep) Hey! Is it supposed to do that? T: (rolls his eyes) Everything is allright, that's your honk. If it works, then the battery is fine. Now let's try to start the car. D: Well, damn, I'm telling you it doesn't start. That s why I'm calling, moron. T: (grits his teeth) Still, let s try again! Press the clutch pedal, press the brakes, and turn the key. D: Hey-hey! From the beginning. Where is this catch pedal? T: CLUTCH under the steering wheel on the left. Did you find it? D: Found it. T: Press it down as far as it goes. Good. Now, do you see two pedals under the steering wheel to the right? D: Yeah. T: The one on the left is the brake. Press it. Did you? D: Done. T: Now turn the key in the ignition. D: How would I do that, if I have both hands busy? T: Excuse me? D: I am pressing with the left hand on the catch, the right hand on the brake, how the hell am I supposed to turn the key? T: (chokes from laughter) Allright, let s try again, but this time, press the pedals with your feet. D: Feet? Is that possible? T: (still chokes from laughter) Yes, it is. D: Let's try. Hey, that's much easier! Why didn't you tell me right away? ... (some fuss is heard) Allright, I pressed it. T: Now turn the key in the ignition. D: Where is the ignition? T: In the base of the steering wheel, to the right. D: Hmmm. I have the hole, but there is no key there. T: Well, put it in. D: What? T: (loses his patience) The ignition key! D: How would I know which one is the ignition key? T: (grabs his head) It is usually the biggest key in the bunch. D: The bunch. T: Yes, where you keep the rest of the keys. D: Ahhh! Well, I lost it two days ago. So what, I need a key? T: (throws down the receiver) Beeeeep... D: Hello??? *** Original source here: http://www.techtales.com/tftechs.php?m=200905#9322 I hope it's okay that I put the full text on-list. I have added some punctuation. So you see, even in the "easy world of cars", there definitely IS something you need to know. It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means, i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding, THINKING, you're fine in this regards - because it's all what is needed to advance to the required point. > When I was a kid, I use to tear down motors and rebuild them for > competition racing. Today, I won't even waste my time changing the oil > on my own car. I don't have the time to waste and I can easily afford > to have others who want to do that for a living attend to it. What you don't invest in time, you often invest in money, which is basically no problem. The more you are able AND WILLING to do on your own, maybe there's money to save. It always depends. I fully agree that just because I actually CAN do something, there is no requirement to DO it all the time. Things that I'm UNABLE to do have to be delegated to somebody who CAN do them. For example, certain things on my car are usually handed to a mechenic who can do far better than me, but I won't give him 50 Euro for exchanging a set of lightbulbs which is a two-minute work for me. :-) And finally... Why do so many people think that investing time in learning is wasted time? There is an example that I sometimes have to use in order to make customers understand why my services are "so expensive" (in fact, they are not expensive, but hey, you know...); I say: "You do NOT pay me for the 30 seconds fixing your problem that would cost you 10,000 Euro per hour if not fixed. You pay me because I am ABLE to fix your problem that fast. I am able to do so simply because of one thing: I wasted my youth, my health, and all my life LEARNING the simple and the less simple things that YOU, Sir, intendedly refused to learn." Some- times, people have to pay be the "big bucks" for reading an instruction page to them, or simply to press the "press here in case of error" marked button in case of an error. I'm lucky, not ALL customers are that... well... how would you say? Less interested in wasting time learning the few really simple things? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 23:56:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8260F106564A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh3.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411258FC15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh3.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4ili-0005qu-Sp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:56:15 -0400 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+Hr//EUsa8//ouuB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh3.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:56:24 -0000 --+Hr//EUsa8//ouuB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: >=20 > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, > that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the > car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left > and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written > upon it, then a semicircle, then F. >=20 And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". --=20 =2Eo. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --+Hr//EUsa8//ouuB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNknGeAAoJEIpckszW26+RqEAIAIs66bith1ri/mCjjc9dTI5k xXNVYDnBqb+T1OSn3QQlUCp7B7DAt/F+IRWDZnv+t6p270nhhHCGsq1KrGB4GY4M AxFc1fCwVDOlB3f/y+vexp/i3jqToe13grVDNLEsVcfPUS8XZwc8MawvNX5bCxWj n/Y2cmCgTwlTQnqfU8x+wtuIMz95HdzNGYuAkxQR70Cgi76lX9i2Ev8S6kmzs1Su Q8RJkXMgUeifdf0H+33sm7IQJCrtnMdQ0Mb1HCzKc9tAzMHaRcU0JEnt1yT/KkTN 6QkG326aaBkLVPeGZ6VSLxU8qbC//EZ6Prl8nvGO+LO/v8i5soe/l6IG1xPNYdo= =v2nG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+Hr//EUsa8//ouuB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 00:08:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E24106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDD58FC08 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so842689fxm.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:08:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EE/GliOsM23wi9xbU2rqBvg0u0if8T+zVpDRJBv2gcg=; b=T9oDBdtQcRpbmT8GzNuPtce4WlxELhcUNZJoX91kVcwxBg+d7I3zLXA0U13a8DC0m2 jwnZhDQybkBUPME9zzFZIKTfPCG5osTm8f7CwjO6QQmKWqKahE8UOXt9Q9vm7NWvjX+Z sEIkECzDOoNJTvTCFNw3sKDlZmPL8HyOrTKAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=inR3G/G3Sm/VukTVVgKwYDYuLCbjvyjfnyAXVo0Uzh9RWlyeHT7FwTT3Ui5CRGzN65 gIrcpDXA32EVshdRCGWr51lSg+YHoFjaUrLWX4jzErBXuwV2W7QklDySjnICbeyPUMBc nz16D3DXzFobsFsfPQXArrg2iFq5l/0LFmi8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.58.141 with SMTP id g13mr459323fah.146.1301443697870; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.85.201 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD , Jerry Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:08:19 -0000 > It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do > with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE > you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means, > i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding, > THINKING, you're fine in this regards - because it's all > what is needed to advance to the required point. > I will add my $0.02 to this thread. Polytropon & others here, what they have suggested to OP, is that if he wants to succeed with FreeBSD, he will need to put some work into it. As with most things in life, this is very much true. There is not much handholding like Ubuntu/Mint/____name-of-some-version-of-linux here, but in all of them, you have to invest a bit in them too! I am not an expert and I have run into some problems myself, but I can't blame the OS for not being easy or idiot proof. I have sometimes gotten into trouble but the folks here on the list have been very helpful and have answered most of time. Exceptions do exist when I was trying to update through ports system as I am not ***all there when it comes to updating FreeBSD with ports/cvsup/portmaster, ..., etc***, I have more experience from the Linux variants, Slackware/Fedora/Slax-now-Porteus/ etc, but that does not detract me from having two machines running FreeBSD one with XFCE as the desktop and one with KDE. I have not messed with the updates though :(, I can trash the machine easily and that is something one can easily do. The good thing is that there is plenty of documentation i.e, FAQ, handbook, and the expertise of this list is also a great thing to have. Also, I could say that some folks want to know if there is an easy way to Math like Geometry and some brillant mathematician said ``there is no royal path to geometry``. We can conclude the same for FreeBSD or other BSD that is out there :) Hope that you and other users out there don't give up and give it a shot. It is a great OS, just that one needs to invest some time and learn to work with it :) Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 00:09:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892DF1065676 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D848FC19 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7257F1D972; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:09:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2U09HZ2001945; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:09:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:09:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chip Camden Message-Id: <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:09:19 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, > > that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the > > car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left > > and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written > > upon it, then a semicircle, then F. > > > > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". That's okay - as long as it doesn't say "1/0" which would cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to get it replaced. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 05:10:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBCC1065670 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlmichael70@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8398FC24 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so932012wyf.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyoTp6EBmmq3hPgtF9/tg54p+LFCXEF4q+nnVf+Od1M=; b=xTEcKS2pTllW6LgZXildHAOZrEQYujeZh+EN6ferb6YRsI0Q+sPI8tXOb2Ika0wqqm YdllabkDtppEoLLw/o/z1eVlG2hxy77iQx/IODSLKxy6N3hos6Za+7/E60XX3Ojk0M0r CsykGBxwVHzRJn4TYFbOvt5V9m6RLtXTYNaA8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HjhR/KNDDo9NFNSaZBiJupb0gVW0AuyiZ1Z4TuWB5ZvplivrtgE5uxtoFnPnmkyaoE kjqTeYYY0PH86BdBb61io7AzJ9snRlqXITUQJPfz5rW30NXTuldpb1iJ4yWqLDgIFRNn yQnjQrgdz4EElJbt8Vq9s7e0fyIilSBpOgDTk= Received: by 10.227.150.207 with SMTP id z15mr714500wbv.149.1301461813017; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prime.nonspace (adsl-178-78-102-245.karoo.kcom.com [178.78.102.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm2795716wbb.50.2011.03.29.22.10.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D92BB33.1030201@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:10:11 +0100 From: Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110317 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: how to enforce password change at first login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:10:14 -0000 Hi, How can I enforce a user to change his password at first login? I want to set up ssh access for my friends but I don't want to know their passwords. And I don't trust they will change it just because I've asked to do so. I was thinking I can create account with random password and provide it to my users. Then the system would enforce password change at first login. Any clues, please? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 05:19:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A06106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905BF8FC16 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1025777wwc.31 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7yVk7DeSKD9rSM5UecMUkY5kPl9sCAhAnDEWO4ZJD5s=; b=jk0OR9zrI/Olk9lMaX9Jj4t1HOJwTeZZXB/P7mboi0bljt7QuALV/YVGzNuBbDDjx+ a2+SRRkU+xc3W2UQwMLrCJuF+E6cXsDITMAhw11K0c7M6QAENEWztYnnG5ncZGmKzc2e HlqIo6jSmqY9afhM4+8nJn8NTP9cqrXjC5GM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FnyWPP14lV+hhRshdt5kq3FiCApMtBBRnBvytfPlML2TTNz1nCmsX64qtBXTaWGY8s q+gxsAZ/jbiXotn153nsASie6IQV9Pr25rXCUp39mdaRmjcqO8HZbwcez82GNDPnt3Ax DZq5lJ7dpaCaZGnGvazzj0u552Vm3Ztj6q9qM= Received: by 10.227.180.77 with SMTP id bt13mr746837wbb.93.1301462375316; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Groseille.malikania.fr (65.21.102-84.rev.gaoland.net [84.102.21.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm2799560wby.31.2011.03.29.22.19.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D92BD82.3020607@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:20:02 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110320 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Random kernel blocking loop message (btx halted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:37 -0000 Hi folks, Sometimes (really rare), when I boot these messages appears in a infinite loop : http://markand.malikania.fr/Photo0393.jpg These messages are printed so fast that I can't read it, happily Scroll lock key let me take a picture. When this appears I have no solution instead rebooting with ctrl + alt + delete. My machine is running on a Intel DH55HC with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64. Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 05:19:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC93106567B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from darklight.org.ru (darklight.org.ru [IPv6:2001:470:28:4ba::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF558FC18 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from darklight.org.ru (yuri@darklight.org.ru [IPv6:::1]) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2U5Jidp024403; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:19:44 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2U5JhBP024402; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:19:43 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: darklight.org.ru: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:19:43 +0400 From: Yuri Pankov To: Michael Message-ID: <20110330051943.GD3074@darklight.org.ru> References: <4D92BB33.1030201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D92BB33.1030201@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to enforce password change at first login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:19:47 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:10:11AM +0100, Michael wrote: > Hi, > > How can I enforce a user to change his password at first login? > > I want to set up ssh access for my friends but I don't want to know > their passwords. And I don't trust they will change it just because I've > asked to do so. > > I was thinking I can create account with random password and provide it > to my users. Then the system would enforce password change at first login. > > Any clues, please? Something like: # pw usermod -p -1 Anyway, see pw(8). HTH, Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 08:39:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23BE1065676 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias-lfbsdq@mteege.de) Received: from crn.mteege.de (case.mteege.de [87.193.189.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EDB8FC1C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31377 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 08:12:37 -0000 Received: from vcl-06.mteege.de (10.7.0.6) by max.mteege.de with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 08:12:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:12:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Matthias Teege To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: gptboot: invalid GPT backup header on soekris net5501 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:11 -0000 Hello, I formatted a ssd with the following procedure: gpart create -s gpt ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l sboot -s 64K ad0 gpart bootcode -b /mnt/boot/pmbr -p /mnt/boot/gptboot -i 1 ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l sroot -b 2048 -s 1G ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l svar -s 1G ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l susr ad0 newfs -b 32768 -f 4096 -L root /dev/ad0p2 newfs -U -b 32768 -f 4096 -L var /dev/ad0p3 newfs -U -b 32768 -f 4096 -L usr /dev/ad0p4 After installing FreeBSD 8.2 the system (a soekris net5501) hangs on boot with "gptboot: invalid GPT backup header" . I'm not sure if this is a hardware problem or if I make a mistake during the setup. What is the cause of the error message? Many thanks Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 07:19:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213B7106579D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuzhli1007@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C38FC17; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so1230743iyj.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:19:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Fa1/rAYZk4Jmm5F1Ncn0LviToaoZwp8OS95ASbJd5e0=; b=GSkmTaI1H8Q5q7+HBqxn3HlaQ3P9eiP5ImCDCbAXMTDxM4A4d0DYEyEm8KFqaK62br 4uzp1/joxUMdrnmWAANN2kMWMHihoGpaUyBOZuk9UKHNhGrbxlpl9zvkSv3+cWq3l4iw H11ABUF/6jER5DmRN6Zc1Gz8vCGvmAJk0Mr8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gPSLU0n9taNCPScDsjUuFnY7WQoXkJw9ouvurXHBqyD7D70pKBduXqkjyqBHMTPeQn BadI/QXqE+OQK2B10+TFvekMm29vOz1CeCccPPYNhh97CI4Pr3xB+pv1QDpUFHVwxo7u FRTYSCXsAtN699SD0gtAkaB9se3DCG/A5kjHg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.172.131 with SMTP id n3mr750436icz.136.1301467660859; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.180.72 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:47:40 +0800 Message-ID: From: fuzhli To: alc@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:11:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: about NKPT on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:19:04 -0000 Hi, Alan I'm study the "Revision 187465" : "Prepare for a larger kernel virtual address space". After read some relative source code, I have an question about the macro NKPT on amd64: why 32 is enough for the kernel page table pages? Do it means that the range (KERNBASE, virtual_avail) should always less than 64MB( 32 * 2MB)? --=20 =B1=F0=D7=F6=C3=CE,=C4=E3=D2=D124=CB=EA=C1=CB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 14:04:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3207F1065672 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C468FC08 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1227377vws.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:04:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.74.196 with SMTP id w4mr1584947vdv.34.1301491952039; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jahan@bol-online.com Received: by 10.52.156.226 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.86] Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:32:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 17Xhv80q25-3Z0ggoS6sem0SjMM Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:04:06 -0000 Xorg -configure Xorg -config xorg.conf.new After doing that on Toshiba Tecra A1 FreeBSD 8.2 Stable. FreeBSD totally hanged + hard boot few times. Hence stressing and fdisking with y option every try. Any one suceeded rinning X on Toshiba Tecra A1? - jahan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 15:22:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A428106566B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E0618FC1D for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11874 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2011 15:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 15:22:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=bIfbIqERvCYUXinyCoTnIs0qI1HhKK0aJkqIuNPfCIjRFSZhzTllhqv1CPRGRUJXpupeuBuxdnF3geYAEYE2+PQ2qf68YarmpQ5/bEwaKbLhwCLtHbUt2qNjCmwm8BjQ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4xEH-0000yM-A9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:22:42 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:10:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:10:26 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ftEhullJWpWg/VHq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:22:44 -0000 --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > >=20 > > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, > > > that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the > > > car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left > > > and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written > > > upon it, then a semicircle, then F. > > >=20 > >=20 > > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". >=20 > That's okay - as long as it doesn't say "1/0" which would > cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have > to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to > get it replaced. :-) We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it would be more accurate to say the "car" would crash. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2TR+IACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVmtACg9mMRlIfjb/7dSIGTNO1YEYUt cykAoOiXHmeLam9RV14twyYyRs46XMbo =Q21k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ftEhullJWpWg/VHq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 15:45:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F52B1065670 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh3.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27898FC0A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh3.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4xaH-0002eg-2R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:45:26 -0400 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:45:23 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110330154523.GA33883@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh3.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:45:34 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > >=20 > > > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, > > > > that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the > > > > car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left > > > > and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written > > > > upon it, then a semicircle, then F. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". > >=20 > > That's okay - as long as it doesn't say "1/0" which would > > cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have > > to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to > > get it replaced. :-) >=20 > We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating > system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it would be more accurate to say > the "car" would crash. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. --=20 =2Eo. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.o | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNk1ATAAoJEIpckszW26+RgsYIAKYNlbf5KolBdQTLMaXouIRG sPnq+mMZj3aIC6diS9OZQ4Pe9L+Wc04qOl8E0SRI8NEriYDN5+AAZd9u5WR2yJf4 8WDwusJVdeSV19fb7qB3ZJWNenbf6gc7ywzqGNTBVzhdCL/a+CXsJyI+XTxgJ+03 Vby5C8/I6Fm/7z4Y6EftFaIQVyavmtkrOyhI4im+SOuLbmDFY6WaVO0yCgjIjgm9 LfqkNIVLTabJjfvJLxFnBT6j6Kukhr8QFrBb4B5hri8xoCG+NtiuHLRNe1ydu/vp tLFosyzZUoD9F1fDFpV0jd0Rub5WcoiC/XRerBLWvI6FDZLK2d3hjghD2H7iZMs= =sAxd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 16:01:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2193106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1AEE8FC15 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1668 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2011 16:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 16:01:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=b8DTgMn1kkdOLnV+9nfSFlWpJTKHKBgVMOd0SLRN976enJmEXYYYNn2q8CTq/cIwg9uGi5X+rNyPPdK2W2VQzYWaFkpz8ohj/cS30cIHng+BRpLYdUSFnGrJm8fTCPVH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4xpd-0005Lq-F9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:01:18 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:49:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:49:02 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110330154902.GC75845@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:20 -0000 --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself > with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, > email, word processing, etc.). =20 A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses already: FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD (the most well-known three BSD Unix systems) are each developed as complete OSes, from kernel through userland. This is different from how Linux-based systems are developed, where the kernel is its own, completely separate project, and people collect software that they think go well with that kernel into a distribution package. That distribution package comprises an OS, but the OS "developers" in this case are often more like kit assemblers rather than software developers (though there's usually a lot of software development involved in ensuring everything gets integrated into a smoothly working whole, too). These OSes in the Linux world are typically called Linux "distributions", or "distros" for short. This means that, for instance, Mint is a Linux distro. By contrast, FreeBSD is not a "distro" of any particular project; it *is* the project. Both Mint and FreeBSD are operating systems, but Linux is just a kernel. FreeBSD is a BSD Unix operating system because it is an OS descended from the original BSD Unix. Mint is a Linux distribution, because it is an OS assembled as a software distribution package based on Linux. The term BSD itself stands for "Berkeley Software Distribution", because BSD Unix was originally a software distribution package based on a UNIX foundation, assembled to a substantial degree by Bill Joy. The current BSD Unix systems, however, have departed from that model; the development of the software that makes up the core OS is no longer a distribution of software developed separately and collected into a smoothly-working whole. In each of the major BSD Unix software projects, the OS is now developed as a cohesive whole, each separately from the others (though they do share code a fair bit). The BSD in FreeBSD is there for historical purposes, rather than because "Berkeley" or "Distribution" is in any way particularly accurate or relevant now. As such, you may encounter some poorly specified, potentially confusing statements that "BSD has no distros" or something like that. Hopefully this explanation will help clear up any confusion you may encounter. >=20 > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would > take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out > what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, > GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD > agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up > when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such > as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. > DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. Perhaps if you could tell us where you encountered problems, when you tried to "configure FreeBSD to [your] liking," we could point out some different ways of doing things that would get you from zero to functional OS in relatively short order. I occasionally give PC-BSD a try, to see how suitable it is to recommending for people who just want to avoid the Microsoft taxes (including antivirus subscriptions, et cetera). My impression is that it is much like Ubuntu, in that it interferes with my ability to get things done. I guess I'm the wrong person to ask about something like that. It is possible that some of the problems you have had with various BSD Unix flavors is related to the fact you are trying to run them all in a virtual machine. Abstracting the hardware away from the OS might introduce difficulties in getting everything working properly. You might be better served by installing something on "bare metal" -- directly on the hard drive -- if you have a machine you can spare for that purpose. >=20 > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, > well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu > doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older > computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. > I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. PC-BSD is pretty much the analogous choice for BSD Unix based systems, I think. It is possible that many of PC-BSD's problems relate to its use of KDE4; I'm not really sure. It is possible to install a different desktop environment or window manager and use that instead, though. That might relieve some of the difficulties you have with it. >=20 > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop > BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken > of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? The sad truth seems to be that, unless someone else sets up the computer in advance, some vapid media whore like Paris Hilton or Jessica Simpson will not find any BSD Unix flavor that she can effectively use. I doubt either of them would have any more success with Linux Mint or MS Windows without someone else setting up the computer in advance either, though. Still . . . I understand your meaning. People talk about the wonders of Ubuntu and Mint and PCLinuxOS and so on, but in my experience they just come with a different set of problems than the less user obsequious approaches of Slackware and FreeBSD. (Actually, I'd call Slackware's installation "user hostile".) The fact of the matter is that FreeBSD can be very user friendly, but it is mostly friendly only with those who are willing to invest a little time in the relationship. By contrast, something like Ubuntu or Mint is very friendly with any random person who comes along, for the most part -- as long as that person bends to every whim of the OS in question, doing things exactly as that OS dictates. I've never been able to maintain a relationship like that, but I suppose your mileage may vary. On the other hand, FreeBSD offers an installer image not only for CD or DVD, but also for USB. Linux distributions like Ubuntu still leave setting up USB flash media installer to the efforts of people willing and able to grasp the process of turning a CD ISO into something suitable for creating a bootable installer on USB flash media -- a process *well* beyond the capabilities of not just Paris Hilton, but probably even most famous people who can read. One of the most important and helpful resources for getting an OS up and running, configured the way you like, is the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ I have even found it invaluable when trying to get something working on Linux-based systems. It does not provide All The Answers, but it gets about as close as anything -- especially when using it for FreeBSD instead of Debian Linux -- and it is the kind of investment in the relationship that FreeBSD rewards, too. If none of this sounds like much fun, you may want to consider giving BSD Unix a pass for a while, and come back to it when you feel more inclined to invest some time up-front. As vi is to Notepad, so FreeBSD is to Ubuntu or Mint, I think; it requires some nontrivial up-front investment in learning how it works to get full benefit out of it, but once that investment is made it pays off in a big way. That's how I see it, anyway. >=20 > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these > BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. This is kind of a show-stopper. You pretty much have two options for downloading your own OS installer: get something minimal, in which case you need to be able to download software as you install it -- making the process of getting the installation process up and running much quicker and less frustrating -- or get something more compehensive, in which case you have to wait for hours and hours to get the installer itself. It may make more sense for you to order a CD or DVD installer for delivery to your home, if you do not want to deal with the download times to get a working system running. If spending money on delivery of something that you may not even like once you get it seems a bit unreasonable to you, perhaps someone would be willing to snail-mail an installer CD or DVD to you. This last option is much more likely if a generous person who would mail something to you lives in the same country as you, of course. Of course, snail mail takes longer than a 12-14 hour download, but you don't have to dedicate a bunch of computer resources to waiting for something to appear in your physical mailbox. It's a trade-off, like anything else in life, I suppose. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2TUO4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWmxwCeIsdpISXCN+SaXKuTg/pZ0GQo RpUAnjALv7gi0l7WpkUiyodtCoZXyL+H =5zrk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 16:09:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F8D106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D688FC14 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so1377628vxc.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.180.138 with SMTP id do10mr1750658vdc.74.1301499581302; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jahan@bol-online.com Received: by 10.52.156.226 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.86] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:39:41 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Vqe4v7FO4Z9fWBwyn21U2qz5Ckg Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Unable to update to kde-4.6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:09:17 -0000 try uninstalling cmake cd /usr/ports/devel/cmake make deinstall make install clean -jahan On 3/27/11, Jerry wrote: > After following the instructions in UPDATING, I am still experiencing > a problem getting KDE-4 updated. I have tried several different > methods. The following is the output of the last attempt. > > ===> kde4-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog - not > found > ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog in > /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE > ===> Found saved configuration for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 > ===> Extracting for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 > => SHA256 Checksum OK for KDE/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1.tar.bz2. > /bin/mkdir -p > /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build > ===> Patching for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libssh.so - > found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: > /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: > /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtDBus.so - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/moc-qt4 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: > /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: > /usr/local/lib/qt4/libphonon.so - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/qmake-qt4 - > found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/rcc - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/uic-qt4 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/automoc4 - > found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/cmake - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: IlmImf.6 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: exiv2.9 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: xine.1 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: slp.1 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: smbclient.0 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: ssh.4 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: attica.0 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: pulse.0 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: canberra.0 - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: intl - found > ===> kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: kimproxy.5 - found > ===> Configuring for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 > /bin/mkdir -p > /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build > -- The C compiler identification is GNU > -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU > -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc > -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works > -- Detecting C compiler ABI info > -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done > -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ > -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works > -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info > -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done > CMake Error at /usr/local/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): > ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in > Call Stack (most recent call first): > CMakeLists.txt:14 (find_package) > > > CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt: > No cmake_minimum_required command is present. A line of code such as > > cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8) > > should be added at the top of the file. The version specified may be > lower > if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project. For more > information run "cmake --help-policy CMP0000". > This warning is for project developers. Use -Wno-dev to suppress it. > > -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde4. > > -- > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 16:10:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEDF1065672 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alc@rice.edu) Received: from mh1.mail.rice.edu (mh1.mail.rice.edu [128.42.201.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB38FC20 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mh1.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042FA29012B; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:50:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.6.4 at mh1.mail.rice.edu, auth channel Received: from mh1.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (mh1.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP id T6CBX1qZQxTJ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adsl-216-63-78-18.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-216-63-78-18.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.63.78.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alc) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7421D290125; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4D935139.8080701@rice.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:50:17 -0500 From: Alan Cox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110201 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fuzhli References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: alc@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about NKPT on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:10:06 -0000 On 03/30/2011 01:47, fuzhli wrote: > Hi, Alan > I'm study the "Revision 187465" : "Prepare for a larger kernel virtual > address space". After read some relative source code, I have an > question about the macro NKPT on amd64: why 32 is enough for the > kernel page table pages? Do it means that the range (KERNBASE, > virtual_avail) should always less than 64MB( 32 * 2MB)? NKPT sets the size of the kernel page table during the earliest part of the kernel's initialization. After that, the size of the page table grows dynamically according to usage. 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 17:06:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70F3106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=0635f437f=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-001.utdallas.edu (ip-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C3B8FC19 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:06:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AowKAJRbk02BbgogSmdsb2JhbAClXAEBGgYCJIketQSFagSFPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,269,1299477600"; d="scan'208";a="57135026" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Mar 2011 11:36:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:36:30 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110330154902.GC75845@guilt.hydra> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110330154902.GC75845@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:06:01 -0000 --On March 30, 2011 9:49:02 AM -0600 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: >> I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself >> with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, >> email, word processing, etc.). > > A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses already: > What a delightful answer. I especially liked "As vi is to Notepad, so FreeBSD is to Ubuntu or Mint, I think;" My compliments on a job very well done. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 17:12:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753651065705 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12658FC1E for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so706858yie.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.199.227 with SMTP id x63mr1966580yhn.275.1301505146090; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t35sm135532yhg.29.2011.03.30.10.12.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7671CE54809 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110330131223.07f13bb3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> References: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:12:27 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harrisons@googlemail.com articulated: > Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy > it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which > attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to > mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it 'automagically' then > you haven't a hope in hell of finding out what's wrong and fixing it). You have conveniently left out the part that if the OS does not have a driver for the wireless card, specifically "N" protocol cards, then you haven't any hope of getting it to work, period. In any case, the easiest way to get any wireless card to work in Windows, at least up to Win-7, was to deactivate the Windows wireless utility and use the one that accompanies the device, assuming that it does come with a configuration utility. I have not seen any of the top rated ones that did not. If for some reason that did not work, you could still manually enter any of the specific information manually, assuming that you actually took the time to learn (where did I here that term before) how to accomplish it. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ In an orderly world, there's always a place for the disorderly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 17:16:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBA01065674 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazakevichilya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C488FC16 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1718149wwc.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5FQMTX4qeMassHlSLE9kTeBWhdBFaVMULJ4eY0nzAZE=; b=LvsYnNEycCB5ZPgpJqRGsYo68XWFbw+2eA3G2lela9FH2u1s/CzmXwc+RoR5MTD97u RLZem0WsyzipPMxWNzCiL7hDRoGNgpuZhlBLSgrgFoBYxqz+hEYK6URryBJAbhltTzVs CoxifM9Sttkb9rNauGhTWDUudhJj9CXQxIyfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=igJWf2ahCnp6+92iMRZb0fd+PWlogVi4hRliipbZwLGHqv2QJfv/9Tdej/KqFWXMzM P7CA/Bh5n98mEFYZh9UdNT2pjpPa0cSAktuqC6fr9Lk7X0daLVp10kNiqrpGjcWyh4kb ODWvmZGTF6arlcLm5nMHZGjV5IaQ6b/Q+9OlU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.203.145 with SMTP id fi17mr1542499wbb.106.1301505380395; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.12.13 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> References: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:16:20 +0400 Message-ID: From: Ilya Kazakevich To: "four.harrisons@googlemail.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:16:22 -0000 > > If there is a choice between making things easy to learn and easy to use, > the design principle is to make it easy to use - even if that comes at the > cost of a steeper learning curve. > And you can always create easy-to-learn GUI-based tool that works on the top of low-level tools. BTW Microsoft came to this idea too (see "MinWin") > > So the easiest BSD? Any of them, if you're prepared to invest the time > learning it. > FreeBSD probably is the easiest to study in all BSD family because it has a really good handbook. But for people with *nix background (like linux) any BSD should not be difficult. > -- > > Peter Harrison > www.4harrisons.blogspot.com > > -original message- > Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro > From: "Jason Hsu" > Date: 29/03/2011 21:14 > > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a > distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word > processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to > enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and > DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install > and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too > many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my > Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in > Virtualbox. > > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, > well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, > and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I > recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the > analogous choice in the BSD world. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD > distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the > Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD > distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. > > -- > Jason Hsu > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 17:50:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9B3106566C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407AF8FC18 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8DE16581FB; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:50:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id C780E5853D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:55 -0400 From: Tom Worster To: Jason Hsu , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Easiest desktop BSD distro In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:50:01 -0000 I only know FreeBSD so I can't recommend any other BSD as being "easier". And I don't use a windowing system on it. But I've an answer to a question you didn't ask: FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by saving VM state), get on with some other work and come back to it later. Regarding your problems with internet speed, I think you can download one of the small FreeBSD images, run that and instruct the FreeBSD install program to get the files via FTP. Configure the installer to install only the set of OS parts you want. That should save a lot of download relative to the ISO images that contain everything. I've never done this but I expect others can help if you run into difficulty. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 18:06:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6E4106566B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlmichael70@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFF88FC16 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1776576wwc.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:06:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9KNIrifpAF//TJ5o1iELLK9nlSL2HebtaB4npcpEUG8=; b=JImG+hDNarg54H02a3/GyyH03Q0GwI0+WgQJSmcKlvTYibbON7ATnDZCTnNnbWzi/Z Md3eoDgm+ku237zC9rdIEJGY1DQIXUCYFH+J02r+sirYf0Z580v8InAdO/TbYG3i30Fa L3ksu96Po6tEy+rudWlAoRAxts4obarlewsi8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q5k+MID+PA8Rv8/jmvu6XTkScs8BA4kPFLmUJ4uc3UNPJPo+SRQF9MTJeCI7c39189 RAXofyKhZbi1VK6IMbvFAz7rYCj553a66KeGBip+TvzeNQ8zpsHE3HSoTHpdbdE6Zx5r lKRjwCRVgdTFe+5tdau1dranOMKqKmw5Lt/QY= Received: by 10.227.140.67 with SMTP id h3mr1606191wbu.80.1301508363971; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prime.nonspace (nat65.mia.three.co.uk [217.171.129.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm191298wbg.28.2011.03.30.11.06.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D937107.9000608@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:05:59 +0100 From: Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110317 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yuri Pankov References: <4D92BB33.1030201@gmail.com> <20110330051943.GD3074@darklight.org.ru> In-Reply-To: <20110330051943.GD3074@darklight.org.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to enforce password change at first login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:06:05 -0000 On 30/03/2011 06:19, Yuri Pankov wrote: > > Something like: > # pw usermod -p -1 > Thanks a lot, exactly what I was looking for. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 19:43:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0071065672 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85838FC13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5851F1703E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:43:56 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4D9387FB.4000802@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:43:55 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chip Camden , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:43:58 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: >> Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: >>> T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, >>> that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the >>> car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left >>> and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written >>> upon it, then a semicircle, then F. >>> >> And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". > > That's okay - as long as it doesn't say "1/0" which would > cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have > to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to > get it replaced. :-) > > > Aloha Poly, Your replies are the funniest ever on the list. Make me smile. Have a great day. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 20:12:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EA910656EB for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07568FC15 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q51kG-0001tP-BF; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q51kG-0004Ko-6E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UKBxeT063658; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:11:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2UKBx9e063657; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:11:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:11:59 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Aftab Jahan Subedar Message-ID: <20110330201159.GC63613@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Aftab Jahan Subedar , questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: questions Subject: Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:12:02 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 01:32:32PM +0000, Aftab Jahan Subedar wrote: > Xorg -configure > Xorg -config xorg.conf.new > > After doing that on Toshiba Tecra A1 FreeBSD 8.2 Stable. > FreeBSD totally hanged + hard boot few times. > Hence stressing and fdisking with y option every try. > > Any one suceeded rinning X on Toshiba Tecra A1? > Maybe of no relevance, but I think the default for "Xorg -config xorg.conf.new" is to show blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get back to the terminal. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 21:29:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F967106566C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072FC8FC08 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so600945ewy.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.136.72 with SMTP id v48mr714761eei.4.1301520550827; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.39] In-Reply-To: <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20318_1301430722_4D9241C2_20318_86_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354C76@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110329204501.GH2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:12 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: >> >> T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, >> =A0 =A0that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the >> =A0 =A0car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left >> =A0 =A0and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written >> =A0 =A0upon it, then a semicircle, then F. >> > > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". On a lot of the older VWs (and Mercedes cars, as well) it says R and 1/1. The "R" supposedly stood for "reserve." I had a Saab for a while that went from 0 to 1, and the middle of the 0 lit up when fuel was low. User interface inconsistencies between cars are actually quite rampant, as anyone who's ever sat down in a rental car and tried to figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers can attest. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 21:29:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEF11065670 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97AC8FC15 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:18 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQIADqZk03Unw4S/2dsb2JhbACYU40Dd4hythqFagSQW4Yb Received: from outmx06.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 22:00:16 +0100 Received: from [212.159.8.87] (helo=pih-webmail01) by outmx06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Q52Ux-0002dX-PI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:15 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.plus.net) by pih-webmail01 with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q52Uw-0005w2-9Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100 Received: from 212.159.115.167 (SquirrelMail authenticated user custompc) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100 From: "Graham Bentley" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:29:19 -0000 Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 21:30:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAE4106567C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC8F8FC1A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2ULU9QB066206; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p2ULU9et066203; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:30:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Anton Shterenlikht In-Reply-To: <20110330201159.GC63613@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: References: <20110330201159.GC63613@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Aftab Jahan Subedar , questions Subject: Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:30:15 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Maybe of no relevance, but I think the > default for "Xorg -config xorg.conf.new" is to show > blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to > get back to the terminal. Depending on key mapping, that may not work. But ctrl-alt-f1 to switch back to a console should. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 21:47:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933E71065678 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A23A8FC1F for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.82.228.150] (port=50713) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q53E4-0002px-KR; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:46:54 -0700 From: Devin Teske To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk In-Reply-To: References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: VICOR, Inc. Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1301521626.3360.10.camel@dt.vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 X-Scan-Signature: 7ce61ff993f0047088ffc37a8d1f7ebe X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="cp1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:47:11 -0000 On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 22:00 +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: > Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] Depends on what you want to write. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. -> END TRANSMISSION <- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 21:57:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451921065691 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:57:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042C88FC17 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1737383vws.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:57:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.0.6 with SMTP id 6mr2525753vda.0.1301522268105; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jahan@bol-online.com Received: by 10.52.156.226 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.86] In-Reply-To: References: <20110330201159.GC63613@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:57:47 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EVRUu9GxDSnOkZ14gchjZXB5qXY Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions , Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:57:49 -0000 Its confirmed dead with 20 - 60 blocks un referenced i nodes in HDD. I had to fsck -y using option 4 from boot menu ( the single user mode). And I thing as Unix it should not be able to that right? Its happening tried this that etc. In the process I found that doing "Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -showopts" this also kills the machine. I kept a ssh login from outside to be able to reboot but it disconnects me also and hangs, gave 3+ minutes to come back to senses but did not. Anyway this is my conclusion: -- Only one driver is recognized "intel display driver card0 and card1" -- Dies when reaches ATI load -- Deleted all but intel vesa -- keyboard did not recognize -- touchpad synaptics did not recognize -- hald did not complain a word about touchpad/keyboard but recognizes both in text mode You all dont waste time researching on it, unless someone has succeeded with this Tecra A1. If you all interested to invest some time on it I can connect it online but u all got email me. -- Jahan On 3/30/11, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> Maybe of no relevance, but I think the >> default for "Xorg -config xorg.conf.new" is to show >> blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to >> get back to the terminal. > > Depending on key mapping, that may not work. But ctrl-alt-f1 to switch > back to a console should. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 22:00:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C996106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFAA8FC0C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F9E1E513; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:00:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2UM0SJG001685; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:00:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:00:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tom Worster Message-Id: <20110331000028.00eb96c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jason Hsu , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:31 -0000 Allow me to add something here: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:55 -0400, Tom Worster wrote: > FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of > uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by > saving VM state), get on with some other work and come back to it later. There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. It is a preinstalled and preconfigured OS + applications comparable to PC-BSD, but it uses Xfce instead of KDE, and (in my opinion) it looks much better. :-) Project homepage: http://www.virtualbsd.info/ Screenshots: http://www.virtualbsd.info/screenshots/ Downloads: http://www.virtualbsd.info/download.html In order to download the 1.3 GB image, you can easily install e. g. the "ctorrent" program from ports, download the torrent file from the web page mentioned above, and then let ctorrent get the file. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 22:12:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35E81065672 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7FC8FC12 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC5D1E578; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2UMCQBa001711; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110331001226.b957f902.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110330131223.07f13bb3@scorpio> References: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> <20110330131223.07f13bb3@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:12:28 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) > four.harrisons@googlemail.com > articulated: > > > Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy > > it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which > > attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to > > mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it 'automagically' then > > you haven't a hope in hell of finding out what's wrong and fixing it). > > You have conveniently left out the part that if the OS does not have > a driver for the wireless card, specifically "N" protocol cards, then > you haven't any hope of getting it to work, period. Although this is correct, you're concluding the wrong thing, in my opinion. > In any case, the easiest way to get any wireless card to work in > Windows, at least up to Win-7, was to deactivate the Windows wireless > utility and use the one that accompanies the device, assuming that it > does come with a configuration utility. I have not seen any of the top > rated ones that did not. If for some reason that did not work, you > could still manually enter any of the specific information manually, > assuming that you actually took the time to learn (where did I here > that term before) how to accomplish it. So what are you doing, basically? You're taking the operating system's responsibility to interact with hardware. I know there are different approaches. One approach is to let the system interface with hardware, usually by its kernel and the corresponding (loadable) modules. A different approach is to use "drivers" to do that. Those drivers traditionally come from the same source as the hardware comes. Advantage: The hardware vendor doesn't have to pay attention to existing standards. He just has to made sure that his "driver" works with the system - depending on his target audience, this may be only one special system (version) in particular. You furthermore suggested to explicitely BYPASS the system's means of accessing hardware and to rely on what the hardware vendor provided. If you haven't lost control by the OS choice yet, you have lost it by the "driver". If you don't care for having control about who plays foul with your system (which you can't either notice or even test for), also fine. Dealing with "black boxes" is what the main target customers of the home PC area are used to. They accept it as being normal. They don't know that there are different ways of doing things. And: As long as everything works as intended - no problems. But diagnosing and SOLVING problems - the not "easy" parts of the story - you are lost without knowledge and proper tools, and basic skills, of course. And if something doesn't work, the typical customer does not try to solve the problem. If he doesn't delegate it, he buys something different and tries again. Trial & error, if you want. And it's not even a financial problem as such hardware costs nearly less than nothing. The targeted customers have been trained to "think" the following: If I invest time in getting this working, I loose money. Instead of doing that, I invest money into a different product which hopefully will work. What does it imply? If the "Windows" can't bring up the wireless network, the manufacturer has to do it using his black box "driver". If this also doesn't work (maybe because the "driver" is not compatible to the "Windows"), the product gets discarded, and a new one is bought. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 22:40:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D33106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 184528FC13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7354 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2011 22:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 22:39:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kvrAqcH9UVKCCf/2i8pn3W/wlUQeJgXetXiy6dMAXgk3ecTgVBuFS4lcXrTeWxC3Jx8dxGpFN60bIV7NVSxjWBw9AKjOAkp8JAHhB0SL+DiqWQqRdCW503/jXa8LWkNn; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q51Sz-0003np-Iu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:54:10 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110330194154.GA76616@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> <20110330154523.GA33883@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110330154523.GA33883@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:40:43 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > >=20 > > We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating > > system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it would be more accurate to > > say the "car" would crash. >=20 > It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend to result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Th4IACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV3AQCcDlnvXQgKFV4NVysyFiMO71wQ HmwAoLW0TzShnpFRcCMgB4wYGnVk2V1q =qJIG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 22:57:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61F5106564A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA878FC18 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7473CEC1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:57:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2UMvjgl005869; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:57:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:57:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110331005745.470ff183.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110330194154.GA76616@guilt.hydra> References: <0148AA41-E800-477F-94BF-2D27E864053F@adelaide.edu.au> <20110329212348.GI2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> <20110330154523.GA33883@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330194154.GA76616@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:57:48 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > > > > We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating > > > system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it would be more accurate to > > > say the "car" would crash. > > > > It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. > > Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend to > result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. We're talking about a car. It doesn't raise exceptions, it simply explodes! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 01:10:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED871065672 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199758FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9351E1D1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2V1A8Aa002052; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk Message-Id: <20110331031008.5d9fb370.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:11 -0000 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100, "Graham Bentley" wrote: > Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend > [less dependencies = better] I don't know of a stand-alone GUI program, but all the "big" desktop environments have a favourite. The one provided by Gnome should work quite well, but if you're already using KDE, use the tools that come with it. I think the Xfce file manager also comes with the respective functionalities. In how far they depend on command line tools, I'm not sure. But in the realm of dependencies, those should be the smallest problem. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 02:07:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4AF1065672 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LukeD@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com [64.74.157.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13258FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889E3478F; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:09:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type; s=sasl; bh=AX4hbYMtUmB6n+ICHbk5dDr87 dc=; b=EbrdBoj/ndPN0B2apnNfVWtMtC/UudSNzMn03nfLspEnSexnw9jLDmXS1 WOCPMgTyi7+3d/9F1gsNs/zVyQZJNdPe6px17jTs5htHi5FCIVUECyPSbVhWkdpU 6k7oAt/4KMDjpODZSp3lQEOpOPbZce81yQeDi1V3iMedXP9/K4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=LuW/YCVBNNRDvwTYpOx H9LySyJ9loqB5CwtnHrZ11W684UwLPhgrGlDyt2T1RmWIJ6P8GbU/jIDvwQ/qWSY DkF6L2jgiIzKKHTe/shG8RuwtELrP21t4hbtoRHvVy34Kgu3OkhsDJ6m+scLXPRL oVt8QGCQsqhHCgGIiMlD+oCU= Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765F8478B; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.100] (unknown [50.35.181.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCFD44789; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Luke Dean X-X-Sender: lukas@tower.lukas.is-a-geek.org To: Luke Dean In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Pobox-Relay-ID: DDD378F8-5B3B-11E0-AA09-E8AB60295C12-96347044!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem refers to what? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Luke Dean List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:07:26 -0000 > I've recently set up gjournal on top of gmirror on FreeBSD 8.2. I understand > that this setup has a lot of redundant writing. It is working, but I'm not > sure I've set it up as efficiently as I should. > > During prolonged writes, such as copying large files to the file system > across the network or producing very large logfiles, the "low_mem" and > "skipped_bytes" statisics rise rapidly and the system becomes less > responsive. "top" always reports free memory, so I don't think that's the > issue. "journal_full" and "wait_for_copy" have never occurred. Here's a > sample of what happens after a couple hours of intense writing... > > kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem: 5379 > kern.geom.journal.stats.journal_full: 0 > kern.geom.journal.stats.wait_for_copy: 0 > kern.geom.journal.stats.switches: 7543 > kern.geom.journal.stats.combined_ios: 265318 > kern.geom.journal.stats.skipped_bytes: 935712768 > > "low_mem" sounds like a bad thing. What could I do to remedy that? Did I > make the journal too small? The stats say that "journal_full" has never > happened, so maybe not? Is there a setting I should tweak? > > The Handbook says 1GB is good enough most of the time, but it also says that > 3x the amount of physical memory is a good size as well. I compromised > between the two and made an 8GB journal for this system that has ~4GB of > memory. Replying to myself for posterity... I think I figured it out. I believe "low_mem" means its running out of gjournal cache, defined by kern.geom.journal.cache.limit, which is initially set by kern.geom.journal.cache.divisor, which is initially 2, which means half of the kernel memory, which is vm.kmem_size, which is 330MB on my i386 8.2 system by default. I don't know where this default comes from, but it seems common. This gives me about 167MB of cache for journalling. During big file transfers, I can watch the "journal_data" statistic in "vmstat -m". It climbs close to the 167MB cache size. That's when I see kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem tick over and the stutter happens. So I think I understand what I'm seeing now. I could try increasing vm.kmem_size and possibly the KMEM_SIZE option that's compiled into my kernel as described in the ZFS tuning documents, since it's a similar issue. This would allow the kernel to have more memory and thus allow gjournal to use more memory for caching. If I'm consistently filling the cache faster than I can empty it, making the cache bigger probably won't help. This journal is on top of a mirror, so I'm always expecting it to read faster than it writes... Copying large files locally might always max out the buffer? No harm in trying, I guess. Or I could just live with it. It's doing what I told it to do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 02:11:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD1D106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274698FC0C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1714946bwz.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:11:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/y3OutVSYW8ptaPIoSLvtV7OZnpmVHme6Gw9mjktJWg=; b=Q4nxFLnlN48WmazhRUqqeZxi4dNiV01n2mhvRRBbbyrkdlBAve2tLLWa7dDOmsfjDE y3EmWCZYLYKwSydW3K6S1v4YZhFTCkpV1FvB2h8vmWrD/IYy8PAmPF3Z4Wflrt8fuMwz THrhaDx1u0fLvQGmdwEJB0G/WIBFdxtyI2X2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iAyh+/3yHBueW/xgvF+YD76QDIocLDXV6wddLN+h8H8FpndH6YyChqRyl+ns4sodS7 BthTjA8S7gzvhd/eWZygBCTMv8WjXdvyIYyPLk3w3NLsNHBpL8y/cVXSRZT9TEuD5UHK riNFwsDzGzqdUjQ+4zVTCabmfpad6tez5JYOI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.75.1 with SMTP id w1mr1734705bkj.132.1301537494002; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.118.200 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:11:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:11:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:11:35 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Graham Bentley wrote: > Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = > better] > If you're already got KDE libs, running sysutils/k3b or sysutils/k3b-kde4 is pretty light. It's feature set is comparable if not better than something like Nero. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 02:46:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4E31065673 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0035E8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1984660fxm.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:46:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0/9pCZF0ahz+JbXWjWxOOS5QRSaOwWoOg214PsmJFDU=; b=aeGCHcProw9BRXNznO/xXI4Um2NNDd64LwtfyVY9IxyErNPxCKWN2fv7vNmIsJpQTo D4H5Co+Pepe5b9CpYA0B71mtN40Wmj/zG/XonJ/tatX2N5YQjVFA29CfsdhfhxkiInKS oCFUK8VpX3Ggo+/0r74Ga7ZwOLLlBNEdZe+wM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eHTcsqJ+aQtoECkmYxqA4jh0WBYx4govyV9qmuVJoXQ0BWCcfbpkvgmVNXDb8TrnE5 R2H6KnqR1G8PMLvOlDil+GzTfU4tvznmkft8B59L8XbX76pxvTMmc5EWCU3e9YPw9PF9 dmRmMWfEl/ZabqnLLJ46hYWcoleONPH5PoPn4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.102.129 with SMTP id g1mr747238fao.3.1301539574064; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.101.208 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:46:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:46:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Luke Dean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem refers to what? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:46:15 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Luke Dean wrote: > > The Handbook says 1GB is good enough most of the time, but it also says >> that 3x the amount of physical memory is a good size as well. I compromised >> between the two and made an 8GB journal for this system that has ~4GB of >> memory. >> > > I've never understood why that article states that calculation. The amount of RAM a system has little to do with what gjournal needs. That formula will in most cases allocate far more journal space than is really necessary. Disk speed and latency are far more important factors. Back when I was using gjournal, I used a 2GB journal on 7200rpm and was never able to panic the system unlike with a 1 GB journal but that was with all other settings at default. Allocating more to gjournal cache would increase the need for space so perhaps it's good you've made such a large one. As you've discovered, gjournal's performance isn't so great when large files are involved. It still helps on multi-threaded access but those big sequential operations destroy most the other optimizations in place. You might want to consider placing your journal on an SSD. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 02:58:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310B106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knowtree@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8587C8FC17 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth.pixi.com (smtpauth.pixi.com [206.127.224.131]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2V26jOs027369 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:06:46 -1000 (HST) Received: from [25.102.116.25] (m3e0436d0.tmodns.net [208.54.4.62]) (user=knowtree@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2V26ZDA027343 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:06:43 -1000 (HST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gary Dunn Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:06:23 -1000 To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: Subject: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:58:21 -0000 When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/garydunn808 http://e9erust.blogspot.com Twitter @garydunn808 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 03:10:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5277A1065672 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CE08FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1741766bwz.13 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FZFgCKPfoXmHjYfRogUmg/i/QOj9OHMyaKB8r3hDpNs=; b=OcFi2bI8WrtavlU3UyDQe0EzmVlH0Gztcsowx9Zad0R3fLZ4JdpNHfuK/9z7tmbpJW p51XcFBHWqjuOF7aOoJfKxiFCYTiVJ4mOs9XsGfjHM91VDFnjKkPM7q5IAJQ5ocYgKZB AiWxkFEslk//uaQKE42wRzX3VUewY2qnmcAIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=aicY2h1myP3ozEkwHFKgZPn5S+qWU+I326ODABEU2HkJtTYMo6hOWzGOucDQKPvM33 iHkOgJp/7P55f5QXh832tCYK8MwY6LoUtyZwQRvUJaUwOtI7E/e7s/rG60qfwhQ4tvY9 3oF0tO6XGPtBy1Tvs2N9bg89/qsDGA3DBOWTA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.83.88 with SMTP id e24mr1815094bkl.78.1301541044474; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.118.200 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:10:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Gary Dunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:10:46 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. There have been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in stuff like newer instruction sets I believe. The base system compiler is moving towards clang/llvm and it's now possible to run a clang kernel/world on CURRENT. Efforts are underway to change the ports system to allow for a more pluggable compiler eg clang/gcc44/gcc45/gcc46. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 05:29:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0F2106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A95308FC0C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10078 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2011 05:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 05:29:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hDYdD1pDGO5TM4J+TTAQgtDklf19c0h7rATfhYrFqFYsfnVwq/8QWyey/D6Ni54qc/UoUHKwS//gr6w+IQfwHsXzXdCIx/TCJYWIdINTI3fUCmKhGxiqSikjM8fo/Dvf; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5ART-0003B3-7A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:29:13 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:16:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:16:55 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110331051655.GA78098@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110329213936.GA84631@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110330000007.99a555cf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329192319.319dc40f@scorpio> <20110330014820.84d5cf27.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110329235614.GJ2281@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330020917.ba2af8eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110330151026.GB75845@guilt.hydra> <20110330154523.GA33883@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110330194154.GA76616@guilt.hydra> <20110331005745.470ff183.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110331005745.470ff183.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:29:14 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:57:45AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > >=20 > > > It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. > >=20 > > Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend > > to result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. >=20 > We're talking about a car. It doesn't raise exceptions, it simply > explodes! :-) If my car exploded, I would certainly take exception to that behavior. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2UDkcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUdoQCdEJRe7oeRS4leWyQGG6p24PWl qZAAoIrqXagJyzofshFNpI+Ct3LyOOhm =RH8J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 07:58:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED0B106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B6C8FC1D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:58:54 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIHAOIzlE1UXeb0/2dsb2JhbACKFo9aiwFed4hyB7VtDYVeBA Received: from outmx03.plus.net ([84.93.230.244]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2011 08:58:53 +0100 Received: from custompc.plus.com ([212.159.115.167] helo=admin) by outmx03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Q5CmL-0005rn-5w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:58:53 +0100 Message-ID: <11E2617D7A88430A9FEF1D2EA0CCCEB2@admin> From: "Graham Bentley" Cc: References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:58:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:58:55 -0000 Thanks for your several considered replies > 1) If you're already got KDE libs, k3b / k3b-kde4 is pretty light > 2) I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support > 3) Polytropon as 1,2 mostly I shoud have been more specific. Im running xorg with vtwm and trying to stay light / minimal as possible. Burncd is fine for alot of jobs but not whilst eating toast. xcdroast seems somewhat dated / clunky and is currently reporting that theres no disc in drive even though I can mount said disc manually [although it has worked for me in past] so.... I was wondering what other light users are doing? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 08:10:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322D61065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A308FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so2390023wwc.31 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type; bh=l6jSad3mP6DvcMsyPh2NF5J0FrxalKQ1+MyFXRRD5MQ=; b=VnnGIVJwx0kqk6QYsAvPfe0TYx2pLlJXultXSJD4wVhOuSiIRbJEB9ongNM+rJrk1O rHpVuRuv/uCVUOSYFuNCcyGt0r5s+ObnrI+OVJ9APiZhhPUb6wZmvpaOLmhWSJbxL5sc 2vMCdnK0LAbQEi9T8J7gtL5/qXlw5iiNjBTAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=BgsQSl72T1EY7qDyjydmQStmlnVbjJ6YFhxd7AIMOn9EH9jR8yvZhCvSjSCD5KPUyy v/5/sTtP0m6gBJ24vZ5JExvQKetxd2aNrBp5DqnMO/UJt+paYZxwdSItJ2CCsAFVS5/M pHO59E8X5//Nv2KVPR1Y/q0asQ8FuW3I9Tfuc= Received: by 10.227.198.206 with SMTP id ep14mr2370042wbb.174.1301559020437; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.elkotek ([78.163.45.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm498956wby.25.2011.03.31.01.10.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D9436E4.8060205@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:10:12 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a8WfaW4gQWtkZW5peg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; tr-TR; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> <11E2617D7A88430A9FEF1D2EA0CCCEB2@admin> In-Reply-To: <11E2617D7A88430A9FEF1D2EA0CCCEB2@admin> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC6C3E26B4AE1184B0295840C" Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:10:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC6C3E26B4AE1184B0295840C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try tkdvd. 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Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [213.83.63.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB61B8FC13; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Q5FwH-0007Lc-TH; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:21:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:21:21 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110331112119.GA21328@sh4-5.1blu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Subject: FreeBSD' Webcam and DVB Compatibility List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:21:33 -0000 Hello, We have started a small documentation project in the FreeBSD Wiki: The FreeBSD' Webcam and DVB Compatibility List. http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat The main goal of this page is to give an exact answer about which application works with a given cam or DVB. Combinations of the hardware and software mentioned below in the table are known to work. Please add more lines to the table or ask me to do so by just sending a mail with your Cam/DVB information. Please note: you should only add information you have seen working and not you may think of or imagine that they could work. The contact information (name and/or email addr) is optional. If you want me to add your webcam or DVB, please send me a structured ASCII line of the following format: Cam or DVB type (USB, build-in);Manufactor;Product Name;VendorID:ProductID (hex);Driver or kernel module;V4L/V4L2;min. tested OS version(s);Supported application(s);Additional comments;Contact i.e. -- use ';' as separator of the fields -- fill out all fields (if you don't know the value use 'unknown') -- also use 'unknown' for the field Contact if you don't want your name or mail in the row -- you may send it as one line (as shown above) or wraped lines after any ';' Please use the above format and no HTML (HTML will be silently ignored). As well, please send it to me and not to the list. Any hints, comments or questions are welcomed, of course. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 11:56:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE7106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from mail6.hostpark.net (mail6.hostpark.net [212.243.197.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F4E8FC1F for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail6.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417A01707E; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail6.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail6.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10124) with ESMTP id PE8MOGLwzlK4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (176.95.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch [62.202.95.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail6.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1DE017043; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBeUfR074260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: (from martin@localhost) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2VBeUj2074256; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:30 +0200 From: Martin Schweizer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110331114029.GA56031@saturn.pcs.ms> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH, CH-8608 Bubikon, Switzerland User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Upgrade 8.1 to 8.2 still broken: info2html X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Schweizer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:04 -0000 Hello There was a bug described in 2003: [...] > I then started a build - with a -DNOCLEAN option for speed and it > failed again. I ran this under 'script' to get the output. > > Here is the tail of that file. > >>> stage 4: building everything.. [...] > ===> lib/libcom_err/doc > info2html com_err.info > info2html:No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > Remove the FORMATS=html from /etc/make.conf when building world. This is the known issue that FORMATS is used both by doc.docbook.mk and bsd.info.mk, and I will fix that soon [...] Today I run in the same problem if I updatet from 8.1 to 8.2. Only for those which have the same problem. Regards, -- Martin Schweizer PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 12:42:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FF9106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03488FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3747A1E76F; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2VCgIh2001874; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:42:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:42:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "four.harrisons@googlemail.com" Message-Id: <20110331144218.85e16738.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1575636523.54703.1301569831759.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> References: <1575636523.54703.1301569831759.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:42:21 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:29 -0700 (PDT), "four.harrisons@googlemail.com" wrote: > I left Linux a while ago, but at that time compiling and > installing a new kernel on Red Hat or Slackware (to stick > within my experience) was significantly harder to do than > "make buildkernel; make installkernel", once you had it > figured. Oh, on FreeBSD it's a lot easier than that: "make kernel". :-) See /usr/src/Makefile's comment header where the build targets get explained. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 13:40:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2740B1065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8838FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2VDbs0A093912; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:37:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p2VDbrh7093911; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:37:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:37:53 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Gary Dunn , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:40:01 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > > > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. > > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. > > > > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. There have > been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in stuff like > newer instruction sets I believe. eg. If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go ahead and install it. The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not gcc. ////jerry > > The base system compiler is moving towards clang/llvm and it's now possible > to run a clang kernel/world on CURRENT. Efforts are underway to change the > ports system to allow for a more pluggable compiler eg > clang/gcc44/gcc45/gcc46. > > -- > Adam Vande More > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 14:35:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CEA1065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8716A8FC1B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so3113563iyj.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.75.65 with SMTP id z1mr1749739icj.132.1301582150064; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.165.10 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:35:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9436E4.8060205@gmail.com> References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> <11E2617D7A88430A9FEF1D2EA0CCCEB2@admin> <4D9436E4.8060205@gmail.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:35:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:35:50 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 AM, G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz wrote: Try tkdvd. It is in ports tree (sysutils/tkdvd) > > -- > G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz (G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz) > Anahtar parmakizi/key fingerprint=3D FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 > F49A 8A5D F8AE > [Son kullanma tarihi/expire date: 2011-06-08] > > While not a GUI it's minimilistic, give bashburn a shot .... Port: bashburn-2.1.2_2 Path: /usr/ports/sysutils/bashburn Info: CD burning bash script -- Port: mybashburn-1.0.2_2 Path: /usr/ports/sysutils/mybashburn Info: Ncurses CD burning bash script Bashburn I've used before, Mybashburn I have not but it looks like the next elocutionary step for Bashburn if it does indeed function the same. Bashburn *IS* a collection of bash scripts that handle the cmdln apps directly (for you), all driven by a menu. --=20 Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 14:37:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE85F106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail.njit.edu [128.235.251.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579EF8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.maestro.njit.edu (dhcp114-27.njit.edu [128.235.114.27]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2VE0XfD014704; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:00:34 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tim Kellers Subject: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:37:49 -0000 Before I attempt to (re)invent the java wheel in Firefox 4... Is there any documentation about how to enable java support already written or available. If there isn't, does anyone have any hints? Thanks Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 14:49:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E237106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269E48FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5JBe-0005Lj-1s; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:26 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5JBd-0006wo-89; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:25 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VEnPUa085443; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2VEnOIa085442; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:24 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Jerry McAllister , Adam Vande More , Gary Dunn , FreeBSD Questions References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions , Gary Dunn Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:49:28 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > > > > > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. > > > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. > > > > > > > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. There have > > been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in stuff like > > newer instruction sets I believe. > > eg. If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go > ahead and install it. The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not gcc. What is FreeBSD c compiler? Isn't it GCC? % cc --version cc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] As far back as I know (starting from 4.9) it's always been GCC Perhaps I misunderstood you.. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:20:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40D2106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9AC8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5JfD-0007iZ-IO; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:59 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5JfD-0000W5-AS; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:59 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFJxAo085539; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p2VFJwaG085538; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:58 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Eduardo Message-ID: <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Eduardo , Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D7F86D500333BD9@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7F86D500333BD9@> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:20:00 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:16:38PM +0200, Eduardo wrote: > At 16:49 31/03/2011, you wrote: > >On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > >> > > >> > > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build > >it is 4.2.1. > >> > > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. > >> > > > >> > > >> > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base > >system. There have > >> > been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add > >in stuff like > >> > newer instruction sets I believe. > >> > >> eg. If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go > >> ahead and install it. The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not gcc. > > > >What is FreeBSD c compiler? > >Isn't it GCC? > > Now yes, but FreeBSD needs an iso c'99 compiler and source code is > iso oriented, not gcc, afaik gcc hacks and code that only compiles on > gcc can't be commited, there's a mailing list for iso99 compatibility > checks. gcc is one of them, but there are others. 9.0-CURRENT uses > llvm but in theory you can use anyone, even tcc. Are you saying GCC doesn't comply with ISO standard(s)? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:29:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AAE1065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:29:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa14.ono.com (smtp14.ono.com [62.42.230.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5638FC24 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (212.21.232.228) by resmaa14.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D7F86D500333BD9; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:16:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4D7F86D500333BD9@> (added by postmaster@resmaa14.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:16:38 +0200 To: Anton Shterenlikht From: Eduardo In-Reply-To: <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:29:25 -0000 At 16:49 31/03/2011, you wrote: >On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > > > > > > > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build > it is 4.2.1. > > > > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. > > > > > > > > > > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base > system. There have > > > been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add > in stuff like > > > newer instruction sets I believe. > > > > eg. If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go > > ahead and install it. The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not gcc. > >What is FreeBSD c compiler? >Isn't it GCC? Now yes, but FreeBSD needs an iso c'99 compiler and source code is iso oriented, not gcc, afaik gcc hacks and code that only compiles on gcc can't be commited, there's a mailing list for iso99 compatibility checks. gcc is one of them, but there are others. 9.0-CURRENT uses llvm but in theory you can use anyone, even tcc. >% cc --version >cc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] > >As far back as I know (starting from 4.9) >it's always been GCC > >Perhaps I misunderstood you.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:31:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6211065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw02.mailroute.net [199.89.0.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA3C8FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3D71DEE07; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:31:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0B41DEDD1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:31:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD9D03134; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Eduardo References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.4.9; tzolkin = 10 Muluc; haab = 2 Uayeb Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:31:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> (Anton Shterenlikht's message of "Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:58 +0100") Message-ID: <86hbaj4892.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:31:08 -0000 >>>>> "Anton" == Anton Shterenlikht writes: Anton> Are you saying GCC doesn't comply with ISO standard(s)? Welcome to the GNU World. First time here? :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:33:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DD5106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=006427588b=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582A18FC22 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 34322 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 15:06:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2011 15:06:52 -0000 Date: 31 Mar 2011 15:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20110331150630.53670.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: timothyk@wallnet.com Subject: Re: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:33:36 -0000 In article <4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> you write: >Before I attempt to (re)invent the java wheel in Firefox 4... > >Is there any documentation about how to enable java support already >written or available. If there isn't, does anyone have any hints? It's unchanged from 3.6, or at least, when I upgraded from 3.6 to 4 Java kept working. This link explains it pretty well: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21010 R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:14:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419631065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from denprog@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040608FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1167885gwb.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:14:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N7B24GJSE8DBqKKvhQvbcCGLqqIYtX68ZmBR1SfrRzA=; b=QMfDuNG+GidbpW1MSKsvqlXybC98iius4Xv3cGh21hR6GyKoocMpKkg/sJI6y+epC7 BR6jEHpLz7t2BiB25oapd338SIT21QWsVwp3SCa0dT1jS38HOVyJ9SH1SdB9ZD9A6mwX POn4FeVTMgCl9uvkAiwtMTv7KLyV8ML+vYi5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bVj4WtdJitY2Z/qd92pOFQAWwglGNRBi9RTKlt+2cuCSxZ9APvdHgQQfyM8I6O8P3X 1BSFEXp8IEWmQd/TeaqkZQzLGuTHdlBd6ej8uHPIyxVTPEzKJLGaZlhdXwgK4f+kDQFx kPP6AeGECl7DUpmLqRFDi5McMCr6CohlPKwv4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.53.130 with SMTP id vq2mr3075277icb.18.1301583191862; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.150.4 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:53:11 +0600 Message-ID: From: Denis Rybakov To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:38:33 +0000 Cc: Subject: download if_ppp.ko X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:14:55 -0000 Where download if_ppp.ko? Denis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 15:52:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FD0106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE188FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2532210fxm.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FTBZPnKxmZLqjFuI4hx4D3+PFRkRAxT+YiA82LZ3W+U=; b=R01aIsBu2eMcrcPnnMqn8yQ3MdpCAm0iub3iHI0NW7RTbDQYeLvcH7IvKXkwVpBhap 04LORGAGi0ibF/NYmEOtOz1V/gyFdbzMhiCn/azO2oeRNTQ4pfGdM/psGHCcFBKUtUfh gKBNQCJK2k0dwnkAWj9Pl9uvWodKVuhuljluw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rWuNCqVLkj37/PgActNOu2zMuJoJ0pp0yhqqJFTUT25CWgm+Q2Zb13PbyCg1grYPI/ cGL8pSQhmqZEBfey5a4O3tCQA1bh+imBguE+VYPnP9he+yR1rAlv7wn8OWaXQFO/mmGD S2RSkkD1JNoxLgn6dVKGA0KJCGme+t757CKg0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.102.129 with SMTP id g1mr1571638fao.3.1301586727159; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.101.208 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> References: <4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Tim Kellers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Tim Kellers Subject: Re: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:08 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Tim Kellers wrote: > Before I attempt to (re)invent the java wheel in Firefox 4... > > Is there any documentation about how to enable java support already written > or available. If there isn't, does anyone have any hints? > As always, the FreeBSD Handbook is what you should consult first which gives a 3 command installation instructions to achieve your goal. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:05:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A421B1065678 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa14.ono.com (smtp14.ono.com [62.42.230.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3100D8FC1A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (212.21.232.228) by resmaa14.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D7F86D5003367B0; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4D7F86D5003367B0@> (added by postmaster@resmaa14.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:03:07 +0200 To: Anton Shterenlikht From: Eduardo In-Reply-To: <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D7F86D500333BD9@> <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:05:00 -0000 At 17:19 31/03/2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >What is FreeBSD c compiler? > > >Isn't it GCC? > > > > Now yes, but FreeBSD needs an iso c'99 compiler and source code is > > iso oriented, not gcc, afaik gcc hacks and code that only compiles on > > gcc can't be commited, there's a mailing list for iso99 compatibility > > checks. gcc is one of them, but there are others. 9.0-CURRENT uses > > llvm but in theory you can use anyone, even tcc. > >Are you saying GCC doesn't comply with ISO standard(s)? Gcc comply with ISO standard, but has extended it and permits that many developers use that extensions, making the code gcc biased and not iso standard. Some open source projects develops using those hacks (like ffmpeg and libavcodec projects) and explicity says that source code must be compiled with gcc, if you use other compiler, it must be gcc compatible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:06:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FD6106567D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC82D8FC1C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VG6K8m085540; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:06:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4D94A67C.602@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:06:20 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110331000028.00eb96c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110331000028.00eb96c1.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:06:24 -0000 On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: > There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a > FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. Nitpick: the web site says > VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware Thanks for the pointer though, could be useful in encouraging others to try FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:16:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708531065686 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher-ml@telting.org) Received: from mail.telting.org (mail.telting.org [204.109.56.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7378FC22 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from apollo.local (cpe-76-168-204-255.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.204.255]) by mail.telting.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A262AA7D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:00:02 -0700 From: Chris Telting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SSH persistent sessions without screen? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:16:49 -0000 I would like to have something like virtual terminals that continue running no matter if ssh is connected to them or not. Something like the screen utility. But I don't want to use screen, I'm looking for something more automated. Maybe even be able to have multiple connections on different computers. I have a number of computers and I like to use each for batch processing different stuff, especially compiling. I'm mostly interested in connecting to running sessions from a mobile android phone. I don't want to keep having to manually login every time through screen and it should be tolerant of a dropped connection. I'm thinking there is probably a way to do this with just ssh. Maybe have separate sshd daemons running on specific ports. Any ideas? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:27:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6783B106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C778FC13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (mr129041.cri.univ-rennes1.fr [129.20.129.41]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 22062633205; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr12941 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mr12941.univ-rennes1.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F6B7A15FC; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:11:20 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Denis Rybakov Message-ID: <20110331181120.5e5dc4da@mr12941> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.22.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: download if_ppp.ko X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:27:46 -0000 Le Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:53:11 +0600, Denis Rybakov a écrit : > Where download if_ppp.ko? It's a kernel module, you will find it in /boot/kernel Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:33:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DB1106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C528FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VGX9th085975; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4D94ACC5.9000706@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110331000028.00eb96c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D94A67C.602@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <4D94A67C.602@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:33:12 -0000 On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: >> There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a >> FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. > > Nitpick: the web site says > > > VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware > Following myself up, Polytropon was technically correct as the FAQ says > VirtualBSD is somewhat compatible with VirtualBox, but not right away > and not easily. but I suspect the level of effort needed is going to put people off trying it. Isn't VMware more common than VBox on most systems anyway? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:37:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B071065673 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail.njit.edu [128.235.251.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E318FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.maestro.njit.edu (dhcp114-27.njit.edu [128.235.114.27]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2VFxZTo019797; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4D94A4E8.7070400@wallnet.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:59:36 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine References: <20110331150630.53670.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20110331150630.53670.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:37:23 -0000 On 03/31/11 11:06, John Levine wrote: > In article<4D948902.6000204@wallnet.com> you write: >> Before I attempt to (re)invent the java wheel in Firefox 4... >> >> Is there any documentation about how to enable java support already >> written or available. If there isn't, does anyone have any hints? > It's unchanged from 3.6, or at least, when I upgraded from 3.6 to 4 > Java kept working. > > This link explains it pretty well: > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21010 > > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Thanks. Someplace between Firefox 3.5 and 4.0 I changed from diablo to openjdk. That: ln -s /usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/IcedTeaPlugin.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ was the missing step for me. Tim Kellers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 16:47:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DF5106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=006427588b=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F1C8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61332 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 16:47:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=ef93.4d94b017.k1103; i=johnl@submit.iecc.com; bh=Az/fO53Y+/vrJIDVygWqo+qEqq/ft+IZOHlMmuXzVMs=; b=V/jtjOqCJFQIQ6DctCRi0JAEYuFp/1AyMOns7KtuppvIyL7khSEIyQq49Am5Zypnztjw0FBoPlSlrMpEZFXdEACBvIzjPS6g+aSguRjHyQST7f2sq0Qcd/R3m9feX8vg/J+pu8NbBQxFrZ2rEKX04VGgYwikAYBib8yz1Q+y3NU= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd johnl@64.57.183.62) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 16:46:57 -0000 Date: 31 Mar 2011 12:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Tim Kellers" In-Reply-To: <4D94A4E8.7070400@wallnet.com> References: <20110331150630.53670.qmail@joyce.lan> <4D94A4E8.7070400@wallnet.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:47:21 -0000 >> This link explains it pretty well: >> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21010 > Someplace between Firefox 3.5 and 4.0 I changed from diablo to openjdk. It was 3.6. Check the archives for considerable gnashing of teeth as we tried to figure out how to get Java working again. > ln -s /usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/IcedTeaPlugin.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ > was the missing step for me. Free bonus: if you use Chromium, it works there, too: ln -s /usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/IcedTeaPlugin.so /usr/local/share/chromium/ Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:01:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF2B1065673 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0288FC21 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2011 13:01:17 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id AZK68554; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:01:14 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2011 13:01:03 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19860.45874.157275.343426@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:00:34 -0400 To: Tim Kellers In-Reply-To: <4D94A4E8.7070400@wallnet.com> References: <20110331150630.53670.qmail@joyce.lan> <4D94A4E8.7070400@wallnet.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: java support in FBSD Firefox 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:01:16 -0000 Tim Kellers writes: > Someplace between Firefox 3.5 and 4.0 I changed from diablo to openjdk. > > That: > ln -s /usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/IcedTeaPlugin.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ > > was the missing step for me. I tried this, and discovered that - at least for SeaMonkey - I had to go to the plugins manager and explicitly enable it before it would show up in "about:plugins". Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:08:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB44106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0008FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5LMK-0008Bm-IK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:08:36 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:08:36 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:08:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:09:18 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: download if_ppp.ko X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:08:38 -0000 Denis Rybakov wrote: > Where download if_ppp.ko? You don't. It once was the kernel ppp module but became unsupported and was removed from the system. Use userland ppp as described here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/userppp.html Pay particular attention to the note at the top. IIRC the old device sio in the kernel config was changed to uart. Make sure you have this and note the corresponding serial port renaming that accompanied the change. I haven't used a modem in quite some time now, but that ought to get you headed in the right direction. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:10:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F9F106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235E18FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706CE1E750; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2VHA1Vf001714; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:10:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:10:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Arthur Chance Message-Id: <20110331191001.3e0877e3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D94ACC5.9000706@qeng-ho.org> References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110331000028.00eb96c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D94A67C.602@qeng-ho.org> <4D94ACC5.9000706@qeng-ho.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:10:04 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: > > On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: > >> There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a > >> FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. > > > > Nitpick: the web site says > > > > > VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware > > > > Following myself up, Polytropon was technically correct as the FAQ says > > > VirtualBSD is somewhat compatible with VirtualBox, but not right away > > and not easily. > > but I suspect the level of effort needed is going to put people off > trying it. Isn't VMware more common than VBox on most systems anyway? Thanks for stating that; in fact, I was confusing VMWare and VirtualBox while typing. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:14:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5998C106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com) Received: from meso.stormserver1.net (meso.stormserver1.net [72.52.153.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BA18FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mn-74-5-68-87.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([74.5.68.87]:48974 helo=localhost) by meso.stormserver1.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5LS9-0007J3-3x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:04 -0500 From: Jason Hsu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110331121404.e703b65b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.18.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meso.stormserver1.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jasonhsu.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Ethernet connection and monitor resolution in DesktopBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:14:12 -0000 I'm trying out DesktopBSD in VirtualBox. I like it better than PC-BSD and GhostBSD. However, the Internet connection isn't working out-of-the-box. When I go to the network configuration utility, select the auto DHCP, and click on Connect, nothing happens. I have an Internet connection in my host OS, so no external factors are stopping my Internet connection in DesktopBSD (guest OS). Also, my screen resolution is stuck at 800x600. How do I change it to 1024x768? -- Jason Hsu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:16:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E785106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584FA8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.82.228.150] (port=50431) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5LU5-00031n-9X; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:16:39 -0700 From: Devin Teske To: Chris Telting In-Reply-To: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> References: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> Organization: VICOR, Inc. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1301591815.3360.15.camel@dt.vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 X-Scan-Signature: 3c559fed1404c87631cf676b747abca7 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="cp1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSH persistent sessions without screen? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:16:58 -0000 On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 09:00 -0700, Chris Telting wrote: > I would like to have something like virtual terminals that continue > running no matter if ssh is connected to them or not. Something like > the screen utility. But I don't want to use screen, tmux? > I'm looking for > something more automated. Maybe even be able to have multiple > connections on different computers. > > I have a number of computers and I like to use each for batch processing > different stuff, especially compiling. I'm mostly interested in > connecting to running sessions from a mobile android phone. I don't > want to keep having to manually login every time through screen and it > should be tolerant of a dropped connection. > > I'm thinking there is probably a way to do this with just ssh. Maybe > have separate sshd daemons running on specific ports. Any ideas? > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 18:08:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1591F1065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7A38FC1A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6369E1D994 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2VI8Uvb001834 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:08:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:08:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110331200830.8603c82d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110331120536.74f46e75@scorpio> References: <1892767898.53772.1301502751849.JavaMail.seven@ap4.trial.red.7sys.net> <20110330131223.07f13bb3@scorpio> <20110331001226.b957f902.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110331120536.74f46e75@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:08:33 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:36 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:26 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry > > wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) > > > four.harrisons@googlemail.com > > > articulated: > > > > > > > Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how > > > > easy it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS > > > > which attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking > > > > springs to mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it > > > > 'automagically' then you haven't a hope in hell of finding out > > > > what's wrong and fixing it). > > > > > > You have conveniently left out the part that if the OS does not have > > > a driver for the wireless card, specifically "N" protocol cards, > > > then you haven't any hope of getting it to work, period. > > > > Although this is correct, you're concluding the wrong > > thing, in my opinion. > > So you are concluding that if it doesn't have a drive it will work? No, this was the introduction for my further arguments, given below the quote of your last paragraph. > > > In any case, the easiest way to get any wireless card to work in > > > Windows, at least up to Win-7, was to deactivate the Windows > > > wireless utility and use the one that accompanies the device, > > > assuming that it does come with a configuration utility. I have not > > > seen any of the top rated ones that did not. If for some reason > > > that did not work, you could still manually enter any of the > > > specific information manually, assuming that you actually took the > > > time to learn (where did I here that term before) how to accomplish > > > it. > > > > So what are you doing, basically? You're taking the operating > > system's responsibility to interact with hardware. I know there > > are different approaches. One approach is to let the system > > interface with hardware, usually by its kernel and the > > corresponding (loadable) modules. A different approach is > > to use "drivers" to do that. Those drivers traditionally > > come from the same source as the hardware comes. Advantage: > > The hardware vendor doesn't have to pay attention to > > existing standards. He just has to made sure that his > > "driver" works with the system - depending on his target > > audience, this may be only one special system (version) in > > particular. You furthermore suggested to explicitely BYPASS > > the system's means of accessing hardware and to rely on what > > the hardware vendor provided. > > You have stated before that you don't use Microsoft. Sadly, I have to deal with it from time to time, but this is related to customers who still use it (usually outdated versions). > Fair enough, but > now you are displaying your total ignorance of what I was referring to. > The Windows "Wireless Access Tool" is a simple, rudimentary > configuration utility. Its primary function was to assist users in > entering user-names, passwords, etcetera and in discovering available > wireless networks. Most high quality vendors supply their own tool > which is more specific to their device. I do not understand "specific to device" when we're talking about established (even wireless) networking standards. For example, is there a need for a hardware-specific ifconfig program that is required for NICs of brand A, while brand B uses the default ifconfig program, but needs a hardware- specific ping program? If an operating system supports standards (and it SHOULD do that), it should make it easy to do so from a user's point of view so any manufacturer-specific tools are not needed to interact with; the only kind of software would be drivers, but those usually aren't interacted with. > Unfortunately, in early > versions of Windows, ie, XP, if the user were to start the Windows > "Wireless Access Tool" it could interfere with the vendors own tool. That doesn't sound good. > Newer versions all prominently display that another utility is running > and ask which one to shut down. Since most vendors want their own > utility running full time to manage the wireless network, shutting down > the Windows version is the usually accepted protocol. I see. But I don't understand why it should neccessary to give control over networking from one blackbox to another... oh, never mind, I'll return to that statement later on. > The Windows > version was only created to assist users who were attempting to use > devices that did not have such a tool. If you knew anything about > Windows and how it handles wireless devices you would have known that. I've fought with "Windows" in this regards. Thanks, but NO thanks. > It was not, and never meant to be a driver for said device. But a tool for interaction. The driver is not such kind of software. > > If you haven't lost control > > by the OS choice yet, you have lost it by the "driver". > > Seriously, do you have a clue as to what you are talking about? Yes, I have. It's a typical discussion about the advantages of open source software vs. proprietary and closed stuff. It's not worth debating it here as the end of the discussion is obvious. > > If you don't care for having control about who plays foul > > with your system (which you can't either notice or even > > test for), also fine. > > Again, do you have a clue? You are babbling about a technology that you > have no working knowledge of. Worse, you simply repeat what you have > heard without any factual basis for doing so. It would be like me > explaining neurosurgery. I'd be interested in hearing about that nice topic. :-) The average user, no matter on which system, usually is neither interested in, or able to find out what happens behind the scenes. You seem to be a professional. You know that 90% of email transferred is spam. You know that whole "subnets" are used for espionage and "cybercrime". You should know WHY this is. It's because if "I don't care." > > Dealing with "black boxes" is what > > the main target customers of the home PC area are used > > to. They accept it as being normal. They don't know that > > there are different ways of doing things. > > Neither is it nor should it be their problem. Maybe... it's the problem of those who want to use the Internet for professional work, and the most normal things aren't possible anymore. Tried to send a mail from a dynamic IP recently? Tried to use standard ports? For the reasons of your observations, refer to the paragraph above. > The most important fact > that you continually ignore is that the end user wants his/her > system/device to work correctly. Oh, I do not ignore that. I KNOW that this is a wish, a noble wish, but in many cases, it won't be magically fulfilled. A skilled professional is often needed to get the "easiest" things working. This may be even as easy as doing what's written on the screen. > Time is money. That's debatable. I mean, the word "is" is debatable here. Time is often represented by (!) money, or valued in money, but it is (!) not money. > The average user has no > inclination to spend X number of hours wasted on a project that can be > completed in a few mere minutes with minimal user intervention. If he gets it done, well, no problem. But experience teaches that it's often NOT the case. Even this simple interaction - in some cases it's really simple and obvious, in other cases it's complicated and arbitrary - sometimes must be done by a professional, because the user either says "I don't care" or "I'm to lazy". This may be a honest statement, but it does not help to solve the problem. But keep one thing in mind: The users *I* have to deal with may be very different from the ones you know. Maybe yours are smarter, more honest, and less willing to pay for their inability to simply click the right buttons. > On of > the major advantages of a non-win system is that it allows those with > time to waste the experience of maximizing that time to its fullest. Very interesting statement. I admit that I had to read it three times to fully understand it and its implications. One of them is that you seem to put nearly no value in knowledge or learning, and its effect to keep the brain healthy. > > And: As long as everything works as intended - no problems. > > But diagnosing and SOLVING problems - the not "easy" parts > > of the story - you are lost without knowledge and proper > > tools, and basic skills, of course. > > That doesn't take and Einstein to figure out. And why do you keep > saying that there are no tools for diagnosing and solving problems? Because a closed system does just offer a limited set of onboard means that often don't help. Utilities can help here to some extend, and if it's just a nearby Linux laptop running Wireshark to show you what's actually happening when the hourglass is displayed. > Could it be because you are simply ignorant of the system, or worse, > just to lazy or stupid to learn? I've been wasting my youth, my health and my spare time learning. Learning the things others are to lazy, to stupid, or to rich to learn them. Considered to what you'll find in the box "IT professionals" here in Germany, one would consider me a genius. :-) Honestly: I've got NO problem learning new things, I can't even afford this in my role. But I have to judge which kind of knowledge is extendable, portable, universal and re-usable, and which is just arbitrary and exchangable, only valid for a short time and in a limited setting. So you are not wrong saying that time is (at least valuable in) money. > If you don't want to use a non *.nix > system, that is your right. In fact, I do use a lot of non-UNIX operating systems, I've been doing so in the past and will surely continue in the future. > To propagate FUD as fact is disgusting and > only goes to exemplify your ignorance. You should always try to read between my lines. From how I express, you can easily conclude if the statement is an individual experience, a fact, a logical conclusion, a guess or an established opinion. > In windows, as in *.nix, > etcetera, there are plenty of tools available. Of course, you have to > look for them. They don't magically appear. There are (limited, but often useful) onboard means, but most stuff needs to be installed afterwards, especially when you need to diagnose "bare bones". > > And if something doesn't > > work, the typical customer does not try to solve the problem. > > If he doesn't delegate it, he buys something different and > > tries again. Trial & error, if you want. And it's not even > > a financial problem as such hardware costs nearly less > > than nothing. > > I have installed and used network cards and devices that cost hundreds > of dollars (US) as well as cheap foreign imports. Your statement is > another example of your total disregard for the facts. Come to Germany, look at it yourself. I've seen (attention, this is category "individual experience") many people buying wireless networking hardware for relatively few money, trying to install it, maybe trying it the wrong way, being angry it doesn't work, buy something else. You don't just see this in home users, you can see it in business as well. In many cases, it's "trial & error" which is because of the fact that those who make the actual decisions often don't have any clue: They buy the shiny racks, the incredible offers, the brand names, the box with the same color as the other boxes in the shiny rack, and so on. The test if it WORKS is done AFTER it has been bought. > > The targeted customers have been trained > > to "think" the following: If I invest time in getting this > > working, I loose money. Instead of doing that, I invest > > money into a different product which hopefully will work. > > Once again you display your ignorance. No, I'm displaying the average user's ignorance. :-) > By the way, would you like to > supply a citation for that totally absurd statement. I can just name myself as the source, that must be sufficient. > > What does it imply? If the "Windows" can't bring up the > > wireless network, the manufacturer has to do it using his > > black box "driver". If this also doesn't work (maybe because > > the "driver" is not compatible to the "Windows"), the product > > gets discarded, and a new one is bought. > > That statement doesn't even make sense. Oh I'm sure it does. > You are simply displaying your > total lack of how Windows works. If you don't have a clue how Windows > works, and that is self evident, why do you continue to make a fool out > of yourself? Would you by some chance suffer from a Narcissistic > personality disorder? I have other "disorders" that I could put on display, but it won't make you any happier. :-) > In the future, please don't waste others with your rants about an > operating system that you neither use (your own admission) or first hand > knowledge of. For that matter, even a simple working knowledge of. If you would know which impossible things I could already do for customers with this "Windows"... things that aren't even supposed to work, so I may say I actually have some knowledge. Please take a break and read this short paragraph: Veteran Unix admin trait No. 8: We know more about Windows than we'll ever let on Though we may not run Windows on our personal machines or appear to care a whit about Windows servers, we're generally quite capable at diagnosing and fixing Windows problems. This is because we've had to deal with these problems when they bleed over into our territory. However, we do not like to acknowledge this fact, because most times Windows doesn't subscribe to the same deeply logical foundations as Unix, and that bothers us. Full article here: http://www.infoworld.com/t/unix/nine-traits-the-veteran-unix-admin-276 > It is people like you that give FOSS a bad name. I don't think so. In opposite to you, I at least try to stay polite and stick to facts and knowledge whenever possible, trying to avoid wild speculations, and if, mark them properly. > I assume you are aware > the the move by the German foreign Office has decided to ditch *.nix in > favor of Windows. > > http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/22/0244242/German-Foreign-Office-Going-Back-To-Windows > > http://techie-buzz.com/foss/german-foreign-office-back-windows-xp.html > > Upon further investigation, they will be converting to Windows-7 and/or > Windows Server 2008 or 2010. That decision had not been finalized. That's interesting, but shows how tax money is wasted. As I would assume that you've never seen the innermost parts of german administration, you don't see the WHY for this move. The articles are very low on explainations, but if you're able to read between the lines, many things come up. I can surely assume that you don't know how economy works in Germany. It has nothing to do with healthy thinking or a free market. Oh, and let's see what happens in 2014 when... you know... :-) > As long as there are people like you that fail to see the flaws in the > *.nix driver development and deployment system, things will only get > worse. Don't you ever think it's possible that I see those problems? In fact, I would like the situation to be better, but sadly, this is not as easy to achieve. Of course, given enough money, advertising and lobbying, it would be NO problem. In fact, it would be great to simply buy any wireless equipment, multifunctional printer or cheap digital camera and just plug it in; the system identifies the standardized means to access the hardware and everything works out of the box. If something needs to be installed, it will be suggested. Sounds familiar? It exactly is how you do access SCSI hardware: SCSI disk, SCSI optical drives, even SCSI PDs, and SCSI scanners. It is so easy that I would say it should be so easy everywhere. STANDARDS are the way to get it working. > Only a fool (you perhaps) wants to waste his/her time getting a > machine to work. Don't say "waste", say "invest" instead. With the means I now have available (through learning, experimenting and testing), I can put machines into a running and fully functional state at a very fast speed. Sit infront each PC and manually hold the installer's hand? Reboot serveral times through hours? THAT I would call wasting time. > They want to use their machine to accomplish whatever > task they are attempting to do. That's the users point of view, correct. In fact, the user is not using an operating system. He often isn't even using a particular program. His scope is the RESULT of an action which develops its magic _during_ doing (or never). You would be scared if you knew some of "my users": Treating a modern PC like a worse typewriter, and even considering all the technology that you're waving the flag for, they don't get the simplest things done without handholding. Now you may claim that those aren't the majority. See what I've seen, and you'll think again. > Microsoft has proven, and Apple to a > lesser extent, that there are methods of getting devices running > without wasting countless hours of valuable time. This is easy because if intensive cooperation between MICROS~1 and the hardware manufacturers. I could say: Plugging in a network printer that is capable of Postscript is easier than even installing things (drivers, utilites, auxilliary programs, and sometimes crapware) from a DVD. > Fortunately, some, > although not all non-window's based OSs have started to realize that. > Trying to reinvent the wheel is a useless and wasteful concept. Trying to put outdated arbitrary concepts on life support also is. In my opinion, even MICROS~1 have done significant improvements to their operating systems, but very often, users don't want that. They are annoyed of means that should lead to better security, and also protect THEM from doing stupid things. First action taken? Switch the good things off. Then install crapware because of the dancing bunnies, some toolbars, and enter the account number and PIN as the PC says. > Finally, it is apparent that you are not even smart enough to follow > the simple instructions I place on the bottom of my list posts > regarding being contacted directly. Sadly, I sometimes really click the wrong button. Yes, I really do. This is since I moved from Sylpheed with Gtk to the one with Gtk 2 which I find slower and less accessible. Instead "Reply to mailing list", I hit "Reply to all", and this is the reason of what you're experiencing. Be patient, and I'll try to pay more attention to that little detail. Luckily, as a programmer, I'm sure I can change the program to follow my habits, instead of changing my habits in order to make the program feel good. :-) > Now, you are free to go back to the forum and post how all those rotten > vendors, etcetera won't kiss your ass and use their valuable resources > to satisfy your needs. Sadly, you don't seem to understand what "free market" is. Each vendor absolutely has the right not to support the OS of my choice, as he has the right to produce his products made for the OS of *his* choice. So *my* choice is to NOT buy his products, and it really is that simple. Can you imagine why I've got a used office-class laser printer at home, instead of a multifunctional inkpee device? Less trouble, less money, better results (for my use). Hardware manufacturers go where the big bucks are. They also go where smaller bucks are, but more often. This also has benefits for all users of that hardware: As more money is gained, development is improved, innovations can find their way to professional and home users faster. If SSDs wouldn't be so easy to use, nobody would buy them, and they would still be too expensive to be any interesting. The downside, however, is that history shows that proprietary technology is doomed to die, even if it is superior to other technology. Often it isn't, sometimes it is. You should find out more about PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE. It can be done in hardware, and more effectively in software. Releasing drivers for system A(n), and no drivers for system A(n+1), as well as no drivers for systems B and C, as an example. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 18:18:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9F3106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1DE8FC17 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2711D8E6; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p2VIHwfn002006; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:17:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:17:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jason Hsu Message-Id: <20110331201758.653cc062.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110331121404.e703b65b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110331121404.e703b65b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernet connection and monitor resolution in DesktopBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:18:00 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:04 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I'm trying out DesktopBSD in VirtualBox. I like it better > than PC-BSD and GhostBSD. > > However, the Internet connection isn't working out-of-the-box. > When I go to the network configuration utility, select the > auto DHCP, and click on Connect, nothing happens. I have an > Internet connection in my host OS, so no external factors > are stopping my Internet connection in DesktopBSD (guest OS). You can - for diagnostics - try to launch DHCP from command line. To do so, use # /etc/rc.d/dhclient restart or "start", if it's not started yet. You can also use the more "bare bones" method of the dhclient program. See "man dhclient" for details. > Also, my screen resolution is stuck at 800x600. How do I > change it to 1024x768? I'm not sure if DesktopBSD uses an xorg.conf configuration file or if the setting is done using a GUI tool (maybe a tool provided by KDE). Basically the handbook sections about how to configure X should apply. See Section 5.4 of the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 18:20:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6FE106574A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:20:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knowtree@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80D28FC26 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth.pixi.com (smtpauth.pixi.com [206.127.224.131]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2VIKPsQ018381; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:20:26 -1000 (HST) Received: from 111.186.97.25.in-addr.arpa (m4f0436d0.tmodns.net [208.54.4.79]) (user=knowtree@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2VIK7pM018279; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:20:19 -1000 (HST) References: User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gary Dunn Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:19:33 -1000 To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:20:29 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: >On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > >> When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is >4.2.1. >> The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. >> > >Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. ... Can someone point me to an official position statement on this ban on GPL3 code in FreeBSD? Doesn't seem right to me. And please, no GPL flame wars. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/garydunn808 http://e9erust.blogspot.com Twitter @garydunn808 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 18:23:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5044B1065678 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knowtree@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186768FC0A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth.pixi.com (smtpauth.pixi.com [206.127.224.131]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p2VIMvBE018931; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:22:57 -1000 (HST) Received: from 111.186.97.25.in-addr.arpa (m4f0436d0.tmodns.net [208.54.4.79]) (user=knowtree@aloha.com mech=PLAIN) by smtpauth.pixi.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2VIMkEd018900; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:22:50 -1000 (HST) References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gary Dunn Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:22:38 -1000 To: Anton Shterenlikht , Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <970331ea-7d06-435a-a48c-69a41956f412@email.android.com> Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:23:08 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn >wrote: >> > >> > > When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is >4.2.1. >> > > The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. >> > > >> > >> > Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. >There have >> > been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in >stuff like >> > newer instruction sets I believe. >> >> eg. If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go >> ahead and install it. The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not >gcc. > >What is FreeBSD c compiler? >Isn't it GCC? > >% cc --version >cc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] > >As far back as I know (starting from 4.9) >it's always been GCC > >Perhaps I misunderstood you.. > >-- >Anton Shterenlikht >Room 2.6, Queen's Building >Mech Eng Dept >Bristol University >University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK >Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 >Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 Me too. Am I wrong to think that installing a newer gcc could break system or port building? -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/garydunn808 http://e9erust.blogspot.com Twitter @garydunn808 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 18:58:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23D91065673 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from njt@ayvali.org) Received: from zaph.org (zaph.org [208.86.225.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD79C8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaph.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8EA881D106; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:39:46 -0400 From: "N.J. Thomas" To: Chris Telting Message-ID: <20110331183945.GK14678@zaph.org> References: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSH persistent sessions without screen? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:58:11 -0000 * Chris Telting [2011-03-31 09:00:02-0700]: > Something like the screen utility. But I don't want to use screen, > I'm looking for something more automated. tmux can do this, and unlike GNU screen, can be easily scripted. Check it out, we started using it at $work early year and we had about 2 dozen people move permanently from screen (like me, they'd been using it for years) to tmux. Thomas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 19:05:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E071065672 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D18FC17 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2725093fxm.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cW36vJiySHYI4HWdQHupjC+/U/n/C6Ai2SY1TSLadP0=; b=Ra5uRO0opweMHb/o1x51UNFst3W0/2jR6wGbqHYhrQxdPcFHM97miRlmIIZ8iydfAg Y8if735XD+LqTBInax8rqQbAmo4XTkGn0mOU4v9Uaevf5t4HU9Vn1KtlbckTe2IQfImA 5yB41dYciJCMuio+VlAyuMvynUKkZF9SZjgWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DMvbuUpOuczUdxAbewnvEWvizicIPeSqRWB+zUrLUK3fm3Z002/M5mXknxqBaK340t qO52wzZt2Re9vCLubTZCAflKK93GGCxrG4KzXJnvzNzN2Sbb15fGBIJdOKZurmG0vkWA 8mvmWoxgbmzs/eeDMIGnO8kR+disx0GAKqdzo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.42.89 with SMTP id r25mr1884114fae.89.1301598320713; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.85.201 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Gary Dunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:05:23 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: > Adam Vande More wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn wrote: >> >>> When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is >>4.2.1. >>> The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. >>> >> >>Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. > ... > > Can someone point me to an official position statement on this ban on GPL3 code in FreeBSD? Doesn't seem right to me. And please, no GPL flame wars. > -- > Clang/LLVM has an active development base and a clear future http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2010-05/msg00409.html Not official, but this may be of help? http://wiki.freebsd.org/201005ToolchainSummitSummary Hope this helps in some way. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 19:44:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78B7106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F9298FC1C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16109 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2011 19:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 19:44:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=logz5H/BS9U0OTGcSLpx6TO9lmMYb9reSgwFMrey1CPdmQ6Vsf534jaisCDb+vXxqkUZdhBi2vffyFf4dVWwy6pla8JKlsxYMJ+8+w0VK+yp6dPQ4Ob95sNlRVFuJUjl; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5NnG-0007zs-PT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:44:35 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:32:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:32:17 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110331193217.GA81374@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D94A502.2060002@telting.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: SSH persistent sessions without screen? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:44:36 -0000 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:00:02AM -0700, Chris Telting wrote: > I would like to have something like virtual terminals that continue=20 > running no matter if ssh is connected to them or not. Something like=20 > the screen utility. But I don't want to use screen, I'm looking for=20 > something more automated. Maybe even be able to have multiple=20 > connections on different computers. >=20 > I have a number of computers and I like to use each for batch processing= =20 > different stuff, especially compiling. I'm mostly interested in=20 > connecting to running sessions from a mobile android phone. I don't=20 > want to keep having to manually login every time through screen and it=20 > should be tolerant of a dropped connection. >=20 > I'm thinking there is probably a way to do this with just ssh. Maybe=20 > have separate sshd daemons running on specific ports. Any ideas? I'm not 100% clear on what you're trying to avoid from GNU Screen, but my first thought when you said you wanted persistent sessions without GNU Screen was "tmux". Count mine as a third vote for tmux, if that suits your needs. Depending on your actual needs, you could also look into using the nohup command. It's not a terminal multiplexer but, in the words of the manpage, it allows you to "run a command immune to hangups, with output to a non-tty". --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2U1sEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXZpgCeLQ2mLm5OxZcKfNC+FQBb/3b0 JNkAn11voDBGs9DWjbtCwRT6EEk4bvmR =0Boz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 20:18:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7AA106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D5598FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 20:05:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.173] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 20:05:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 20:05:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 40132.12503.bm@omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65816 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2011 20:05:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1301601905; bh=5+kAiPWQGwad8kzb6uQ7sTKYLdfrWb2CHPtLkS7QIQ0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lGRpYBo95VGyZY/3Kog3WNxsCp4lS7TeUwksZDjvhkWjaukJKbpX0MDVZ36xNiMjH71f7C1Odu0+1dHWzQtwf7NOZq+8d3EzQ82Fbg4GTd0pm2YIoZGKABCC1P9aaC7P8UMaWRXsefclQ78NhdX6t0wr8d0OM/GS5C9FP+UkWTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=04eJs7yGK1AD9PNjZpllzxrUKQHn58AlB1tJQ4VrT7YIxwRe4mDaDHOes0/1zAbv8OCAAqGHlBy3AYmafE0JjSQXoDca5rIKhE5PgeIVzuhhzXVrkwZxhWOfxUXHHsDVKFNLN0xqYJ6k1vwR+EQhcKAR512/UjB+4mZkMthLZA8=; Message-ID: <368175.36258.qm@web113508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ygmICRAVM1kcAsKC5093aLIROT0hBNdWpFLG_LyseTkNO8D 86XPspQCIYyCZCvzErRQaJB29kiVGlkePHpbDE41xJxtZKF_jlK0fEuml6Lx 6_IwpZ.ZGGhaAcbP791QJ2BWPXLNJznu5A7EvsnHE3shss9ElfPQFVMaFFCx kKaLDPT2YRTo8CnCjqA6oR99qrDGZSZ9mFQLO4TdYmlaTNnPeTL2gANJrFpA lZUtrt_wrZFyb9r8eU_qajXv9ocQcbEgfG6O5seDv0z773ZwVf5JSOKX4fOA 8pSUfyNGOvwuGMgyQNBqZH9uFgDIPXcGd7II0vF.jNo1CL6PQ3B0htpvlHuh yX4FHTUvEqMfTip3l5CAp47z.i6i5nEq7L8YbHEFVKxBvstVUdZIRTJeFKyY Qc6k5gVrxvNaw Received: from [200.80.219.194] by web113508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:05:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FreeNX server on 64bits? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:18:25 -0000 Hi, I wanted to install FreeNX server from ports on an amd64 machine, but I= found the port only supports i386 architecture.=0A=0AHere's the output:=0A= =0Amartin@server:/usr/ports/net/freenx$ sudo make install clean=0APassword:= =0A=3D=3D=3D> Installing for freenx-0.6.0_3=0A=3D=3D=3D> freenx-0.6.0_3 = depends on file: /usr/local/NX/bin/nxagent - not found=0A=3D=3D=3D> Veri= fying install for /usr/local/NX/bin/nxagent in /usr/ports/net/nxserver=0A= =3D=3D=3D> nxserver-2.1.0_7 is only for i386, while you are running amd64.= =0A*** Error code 1=0A=0AStop in /usr/ports/net/nxserver.=0A*** Error code = 1=0A=0AStop in /usr/ports/net/freenx.=0A=0ADoes anyone knows if there's a w= ay to install it on 64bits?=0A=0AThanks in advance.=0A=0ALeonardo M. Ram=E9= =0Ahttp://leonardorame.blogspot.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 20:47:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9BE10657AE for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB9F8FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792F252042 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lutetium.micite.net (s529d340f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.52.15]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28234 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 20:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.70?) (192.168.1.70) by lutetium.lan with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 20:46:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4D94E843.8060502@micite.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:46:59 +0200 From: Roland van Laar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110223 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D917319.20309@micite.net> In-Reply-To: <4D917319.20309@micite.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp05.online.nl) Subject: Re: ruby cpu 100% hang during pkgdb -F X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:47:03 -0000 Hello, I'm asking again about pkgdb -F because it's still running. On 03/29/2011 07:50 AM, Roland van Laar wrote: > Hello, > > I updated FreeBSD 8.0 to 8.2 with freebsd-update. > Everything went fine till I got to the ports: > I used the commands: > > # pkgdb -F > > gives me this: > > ---> Checking the package registry database > [Rebuilding the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 185 > packages found (-0 +185) > ....................................................................................................100..................................................................................... > done] > Stale origin: 'devel/automake19': perhaps moved or obsoleted. > -> The port 'devel/automake19' was removed on 2010-10-07 because: > "No longer required by any port" > -> Hint: automake-1.9.6_3 is not required by any other package > -> Hint: checking for overwritten files... > -> No files installed by automake-1.9.6_3 have been overwritten by > other packages. > Deinstall automake-1.9.6_3 ? [no] yes > Checking zh_tw-freebsd-doc-20100625 Regenerating +REQUIRED_BY files Checking for cyclic dependencies After more than 55 hours of runtine pkgdb -F still hasn't finished and is 'Checking for cyclic dependencies'. Is it normal that pkgdb -F takes such a long time? And is there something I can do to fix this? Roland > What do I need to do to update my ports? > > tldr: updated ports, rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db and pkgdf -F hangs at > 100% cpu. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 20:52:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A977A106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704368FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2A6102F for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CE7FF2F8003 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79DF2F8002 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:44 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:44 -0500 Thread-Topic: "Text Ticker" app. nntp / rss client? Thread-Index: Acvv5ZVUJuGGAYFeTnasFD5YIP5KzA== Message-ID: <24576_1301604764_4D94E99C_24576_596_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354CAF@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: "Text Ticker" app. nntp / rss client? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:52:45 -0000 Hi, So I'm looking for a "simple" way to distribute company info internally, su= ch as: application availability info, weather updates, etc. Whatever the p= owers at be deem appropriate to distribute. I'm thinking maybe something b= ased on nntp, rss, or whatever. "I" would personally like to see this as a multicast app. The "client" wou= ld then join at least two groups: 1.) The "general" company info group, and= 2.) their specific department group. The client would...cycle / loop disp= laying text from each group it joined. Ie: "Company XYZ: stock is $591, company picnic June 7th!, Red Truck has it's l= ights on... Customer service: 13 calls in queue, 2 holding for 5+ minutes.= Mandatory overtime for Jayhawks Group this weekend..." Maybe it can get fancy and when new text is displayed it will change colors= , flash, come to front / on top of desktop (unhide), etc. I've spent a few mins searching ports and only found one "stock ticker" app= . I'll check the nntp servers - and others. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks! Gary
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 21:00:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB64106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236988FC13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2820855fxm.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C8vdW42QTXoF1ZcI/xRRYnX9BntJHVQ4F5/IvehGibQ=; b=gr78QgX3C7xVl1OU8gP7JmQ0tR2BAV0hXf2Xla6p63443zhQXZR245ev2jMQo3bzj5 xpIYUEvq7R8co12//pksrABbXx2VmzXtIJkFUFb8V3IAeZRz7LFCD5QEuGYMvbQ0+1yc BTGyNz2r9fQWE/IYKDUOwNTqjyc9CWQYQLlIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ki4cYvQSIpsLjbeWY/UEi3cu/WoIwDn1i9enXtxKbWze+vzgXmM6NDr2WoRQ0FJKAL i5liWqQCnTr4LhExwikKnjj5Aq39z/EiCZz90dSVxG3GCOA6/JoDtVjhQFnV3kmk1lTd 6hWMH35mlXPgNsnEHOfhwVyD9cEw9FoxmjIgY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.75.1 with SMTP id w1mr299356faj.17.1301605210876; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.93.137 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D94E843.8060502@micite.net> References: <4D917319.20309@micite.net> <4D94E843.8060502@micite.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:00:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Roland van Laar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ruby cpu 100% hang during pkgdb -F X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:00:24 -0000 On 31 March 2011 16:46, Roland van Laar wrote: > Hello, > > I'm asking again about pkgdb -F because it's still running. > > On 03/29/2011 07:50 AM, Roland van Laar wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I updated FreeBSD 8.0 to 8.2 with freebsd-update. >> Everything went fine till I got to the ports: >> I used the commands: > > >> >> # pkgdb -F >> >> gives me this: >> >> ---> =A0Checking the package registry database >> [Rebuilding the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 185 packag= es >> found (-0 +185) >> ........................................................................= ............................100............................................= ......................................... >> done] >> Stale origin: 'devel/automake19': perhaps moved or obsoleted. >> -> The port 'devel/automake19' was removed on 2010-10-07 because: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"No longer required by any port" >> -> Hint: automake-1.9.6_3 is not required by any other package >> -> Hint: checking for overwritten files... >> =A0-> No files installed by automake-1.9.6_3 have been overwritten by ot= her >> packages. >> Deinstall automake-1.9.6_3 ? [no] yes >> > > Checking zh_tw-freebsd-doc-20100625 > Regenerating +REQUIRED_BY files > Checking for cyclic dependencies > > > After more than 55 hours of runtine pkgdb -F still hasn't finished and is > 'Checking for cyclic dependencies'. > Is it normal that pkgdb -F takes such a long time? > And is there something I can do to fix this? > > Roland >> >> What do I need to do to update my ports? >> >> tldr: updated ports, rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db and pkgdf -F hangs at 100% >> cpu. > Not entirely sure, but it's probably a lot simpler & faster to: a) backup /var/db/pkg (I usually just tar --options xz:compression-level=3D1 -Jcf /home/tmp/hostname.var.db.pkg.tar.xz ) b) rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db c) pkg_delete -f auto\[mc\]\* d) pkgdb -Ff Another option is ports-mgmt/portmaster, which quite nice now, downright polished, & doesn't depend upon ruby (NTTAWWT) nor rely upon weirdly redundantly-named database files for dependency checking, etc*. *I could have said "functionality" but that's such a vile, 20th century neologism, almost as bad as using "impact" for effect and affect. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 21:17:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF56106566C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp144.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp144.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6078A8FC1D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B4A0BB8101; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id AF319380F52; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:16 -0400 From: Tom Worster To: Polytropon , Arthur Chance Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Easiest desktop BSD distro In-Reply-To: <20110331191001.3e0877e3.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:17:34 -0000 On 3/31/11 1:10 PM, "Polytropon" wrote: >On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance >wrote: >>On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote: >>>> There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a >>>> FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. >>> >>> Nitpick: the web site says >>> >>> > VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware >>> >>Following myself up, Polytropon was technically correct as the FAQ says >> > VirtualBSD is somewhat compatible with VirtualBox, but not right away >> > and not easily. >>but I suspect the level of effort needed is going to put people off >>trying it. Isn't VMware more common than VBox on most systems anyway? > >Thanks for stating that; in fact, I was confusing VMWare >and VirtualBox while typing. :-) I've no experience with VirtualBSD. But I can say that VBox comes with host configs for FreeBSD 32 and 64 clients. Yesterday I fed the FreeBSD 8.2 RELEASE Disk 1 ISO into VBox and it installed very nicely. Network even came up with DHCP. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 22:23:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5FC1065670 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A6E8FC13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.wifi.locolomo.org (gamma.wifi.locolomo.org [172.16.1.5]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8C8B1C0841 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4D94FEC3.7020109@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 00:22:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: FBSD support for Intel mini-itx board w. realtek 8111D nic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:23:05 -0000 Hi: I've got a fanless via based mini-itx box as my gateway and server and looking to upgrade to a Intel Atom based box. I believe it's supported out of the box. Now, I don't have an extra monitor, basically I'm gonna take the old disk, plug it in and hope it will boot (FBSD81, GENERIC kernel). So, I'm looking at the D945GSEJT which has a realtek 8111DL nic. Which driver is used for this nic? Well, basically I need to preconfigure the network so I can connect if/when it gets up. Thanks, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 22:44:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065A8106564A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa12.ono.com (smtp12.ono.com [62.42.230.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942BA8FC14 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (212.21.232.228) by resmaa12.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D301C9700CF8CF6; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:44:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4D301C9700CF8CF6@> (added by postmaster@resmaa12.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 00:44:52 +0200 To: Gary Dunn ,Adam Vande More From: Eduardo In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:44:54 -0000 At 20:19 31/03/2011, Gary Dunn wrote: >Can someone point me to an official position statement on this ban >on GPL3 code in FreeBSD? Doesn't seem right to me. And please, no >GPL flame wars. Don't know if there were an official Some links that may be interesting: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7035 http://ivoras.sharanet.org/freebsd/freebsd9.html "CLANG / LLVM compiler" entry http://www.links.org/?p=518 "Will GPLv3 Kill GPL?" http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#v2v3Compatibility "GPLv2 compatible with GPLv3?" http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/schedule/events/175.en.html Apple and some other companies made the switch from gcc to llvm some years ago, in Apple case, because gnu/fsf forced to make all objective-c compiler developed by Apple for gcc open source, because gcc was GPL (http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1390172) Resuming, or my resume, GPLv3 is politically incorrect for a BSD project, it's preferred BSD tools, made by BSD community for BSD community and (as licence allows it) by extension everyone than GPLv3 tools made for GNU/FSF and (as licence don't permit share) only for them. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 23:25:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C89106566B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa13.ono.com (smtp13.ono.com [62.42.230.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2058FC1A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (212.21.232.228) by resmaa13.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D6348DC006D9B85; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:25:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4D6348DC006D9B85@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 01:25:48 +0200 To: Gary Dunn From: Eduardo In-Reply-To: <970331ea-7d06-435a-a48c-69a41956f412@email.android.com> References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <970331ea-7d06-435a-a48c-69a41956f412@email.android.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:25:49 -0000 At 20:22 31/03/2011, Gary Dunn wrote: >Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >Me too. Am I wrong to think that installing a newer gcc could break >system or port building? No, you must take care that newer gcc will be installed on /usr/local/bin and not in /usr/bin, check this forum entry: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7035 (it's the first one on my other post) You can use the newer gcc for you apps if you want, i made the change some months ago and i'm a happy clang/llvm user now. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 00:56:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026521065677 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89F98FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p310uZUs074698; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p310uZNC074695; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:56:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= In-Reply-To: <4D94FEC3.7020109@locolomo.org> Message-ID: References: <4D94FEC3.7020109@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1887600869-1301619395=:74349" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD support for Intel mini-itx board w. realtek 8111D nic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 00:56:37 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1887600869-1301619395=:74349 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Erik Nørgaard wrote: > I'm looking at the D945GSEJT which has a realtek 8111DL nic. Which driver is > used for this nic? re(4). Some forum users have had recent problems with certain versions (maybe newer) of the 8111. My older 8111C onboard versions have always worked fine. ---902635197-1887600869-1301619395=:74349-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 07:32:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB21106564A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 07:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276958FC16 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 07:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so240134wwk.1 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 00:32:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=68s5g4I9vYcZZLjlQyYQcmXgp5GZSeC3EBFeDy4hWck=; b=qqOSVrXyUGoGQGgm5Rv/nGyz7FrvXADD/xLfLY2NOqOkA6B5tcwD2Y2FHaLajUGDR6 qfs9hVmYschuTSedsbPsnWmFec2opHht+ijKUT7U/906Nk6GeY8B9LeO038iBIwZ5vif 9cWvhSoL5zYbQM5U83jHUsQlEOza28huqulXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ank42z2e880tyPRNvZGzkf6OQxDbOncLVI1mqo1ME8nHsjWKtPWFrCnHW1uVnXWd4I gedKIgD6sVt9gcgpy/JgLweKOdStC3BiIMqOKGXZPfkBtcbEqPY0GMM0NqTHIzWtvwL+ qy1zml6bGsRftFVZ0auT4lHrXg8zu590vY3yc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.142.85 with SMTP id h63mr3440184wej.84.1301643120033; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 00:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.16 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:31:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:31:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Andre Goree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:32:01 -0000 On 29 March 2011 10:05, Andre Goree wrote: > Thank you for responding. > > For two reasons I know it's running zfs v14 after the rebuild: > > 1) During boot, a message shows: > > ZFS Filesystem version 4 > ZFS Storage pool version 14 > > 2) After getting to the failed root mount point of the boot (after it > fails to mount my zfs root), I enter: > > ufs:/dev/ad4s1a > > to get to my boot partition (which must remain UFS obviously, hehe), and > try to mount my pools with the 'zfsmount' command, however it errors with > something similar to: > > "storage pool version does not match" > > I can only get my system working again by manually moving /boot/kernel to > /boot/kernel.bad (or whatever) and replacing it with the previous kernel. > > :( > > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:40:17 -0500, krad wrote: > > On 28 March 2011 10:37, Andre Goree wrote: >> >> Hello, >>> >>> Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my >>> kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a >>> problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the >>> kernel >>> rebuild and reboot. >>> >>> At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without rebuilding >>> world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date >>> sources >>> and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Andre Goree >>> andre@drenet.info >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> what is making you think you are running zfs v14? Are you looking at zpool >> status? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > Andre Goree > andre@drenet.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > as i thought, it doesnt look like you have done a "ZPOOL UPGRADE" to upgrade the pool to version 15. You can also do a "zfs upgrade" to update the file systems as well From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 08:24:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667C1106564A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5C88FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5ZeF-0003WT-Ro; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:24:04 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5ZeF-0007Eb-Mc; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:24:03 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p318O3Ml092448; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:24:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p318O3Qp092447; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:24:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:24:03 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Eduardo Message-ID: <20110401082402.GA92424@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Eduardo , Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110331133753.GB93855@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20110331144924.GC85381@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D7F86D500333BD9@> <20110331151958.GA85527@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D7F86D5003367B0@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7F86D5003367B0@> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:24:06 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Eduardo wrote: > At 17:19 31/03/2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> >What is FreeBSD c compiler? > >> >Isn't it GCC? > >> > >> Now yes, but FreeBSD needs an iso c'99 compiler and source code is > >> iso oriented, not gcc, afaik gcc hacks and code that only compiles on > >> gcc can't be commited, there's a mailing list for iso99 compatibility > >> checks. gcc is one of them, but there are others. 9.0-CURRENT uses > >> llvm but in theory you can use anyone, even tcc. > > > >Are you saying GCC doesn't comply with ISO standard(s)? > > Gcc comply with ISO standard, ok, good, just wanted to check. I'm very happy that FreeBSD code is strictly standard compliant. > but has extended it and permits that > many developers use that extensions, making the code gcc biased and > not iso standard. Some open source projects develops using those > hacks (like ffmpeg and libavcodec projects) and explicity says that > source code must be compiled with gcc, if you use other compiler, it > must be gcc compatible. Yes, I'm aware of the extensions issue. This must really make life hell for ports@. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 11:53:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455731065675; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuzhli1007@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40BA8FC08; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so4327446iyj.13 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=afjMXMx1CYz+CwiYABVuI0i3lUAFwzrv+mCxDq8OpFI=; b=XloJDy38VHvsQf3SWOw4uxD4XZ6xRqiRGef1Lvghzs1/DAjq1CzMyqzkVg5fNBMavM /dBiMVNRlA1kkC8D0c8dggk6KVkA7XMMIjoXoyyPgq4wI+6sob3LNKSrDP77twDoqQal +dNAmDiOqSMZoF6eoV9+mlnQquyA1sJsxaGgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TCz5eRBzAMeDF2WmqNgd4rVK/DaGAR4PE25gWp1Hyg3tgmM2dnLcoaMfNLtbQhOj/H SXfrflZOZRmiYyjjaElu8dW9qKtKbwH+mkn9pzSgwkNZnFKyIXg9cNT/p5gAtC9B4dRd sipZUpZ63l6DEiChuNK6ZlejnE0QLyK7GO1oc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.172.131 with SMTP id n3mr1402368icz.136.1301658797231; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.180.72 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 04:53:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D935139.8080701@rice.edu> References: <4D935139.8080701@rice.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:53:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: fuzhli To: Alan Cox X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:10:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: alc@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about NKPT on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:53:18 -0000 Hi, Alan Cox Thanks for your reply. I want to know why the NKPT set to 32 in revision187465, is it possible that set NKPT less or lager than 32? What's the limitation i= f set NKPT to 32? I also guess the KPTphys[] not used in kernel initialization on amd64 i= n revision187465. And I notice that in revision189075, in function pmap_init() "the vm page array entries for the kernel pmap's page table pages" is initialized; but in revision187458, the initialization is not performed. I guess "the earlist part of the kernel's initialization" is the pmap_bootstrap(firstaddr), this will call function create_pagetables(). In function create_pagetables(), we first use allocpages(firstaddr, NKPT) to allocate NKPT pages, then initialize the KPTphys[] and KPDphys[]. But then the KPDphys[] re-initialize the range (0, *firstaddr) in 2MB page: /* Map from zero to end of allocations under 2M pages */ /* This replaces some of the KPTphys entries above */ for (i =3D 0; (i << PDRSHIFT) < *firstaddr; i++) { ((pd_entry_t *)KPDphys)[i] =3D i << PDRSHIFT; ((pd_entry_t *)KPDphys)[i] |=3D PG_RW | PG_V | PG_PS | PG_G; } This means that the KPDphys[] will be override completely if the range (KERNBASE, virtual_avail)'s size larger than 64MB, so I guess that the KPTphys[] not used anymore if the range (KERNBASE, virtual_avail)'s size larger than 64MB. =D4=DA 2011=C4=EA3=D4=C230=C8=D5 =CF=C2=CE=E711:50=A3=ACAlan Cox =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA > On 03/30/2011 01:47, fuzhli wrote: > > Hi, Alan > > I'm study the "Revision 187465" : "Prepare for a larger kernel virtual > > address space". After read some relative source code, I have an > > question about the macro NKPT on amd64: why 32 is enough for the > > kernel page table pages? Do it means that the range (KERNBASE, > > virtual_avail) should always less than 64MB( 32 * 2MB)? > > NKPT sets the size of the kernel page table during the earliest part of > the kernel's initialization. After that, the size of the page table > grows dynamically according to usage. > > Regards, > Alan > > --=20 =B1=F0=D7=F6=C3=CE,=C4=E3=D2=D124=CB=EA=C1=CB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 16:36:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29C106566C for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A3F8FC08 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-45-144.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.45.144]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5B03CF04; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p31Ga7ob001535; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:36:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:36:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tom Worster Message-Id: <20110401183606.c4de62b2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110331191001.3e0877e3.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:36:09 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:16 -0400, Tom Worster wrote: > I've no experience with VirtualBSD. But I can say that VBox comes with > host configs for FreeBSD 32 and 64 clients. Yesterday I fed the FreeBSD > 8.2 RELEASE Disk 1 ISO into VBox and it installed very nicely. Network > even came up with DHCP. The only "problem" with the RELEASE discs is that they do not provide something preinstalled & preconfigured. However, it's quite simple to follow the steps in the handbook to get KDE or Gnome running and "start" from there. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 20:49:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9263C1065676 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502E38FC1E for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor10.anonymizer.ccc.de [62.113.219.3]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B8AC5AF9 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:25:12 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:48:49 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110401204846.GA5350@external.screwed.box> References: <20110330120040.63DE3106587E@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: Gui CD soft recommend X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:49:35 -0000 I know St. Peter won't call your name, freebsd-questions! 2011/03/30 22:00:14 +0100 Graham Bentley => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : GB> Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] tkdvd should use it patched for -joliet-long ever. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 21:55:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876E1065679; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E98FC19; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41493250A90; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:35:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73447-05; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BDC453250A8F; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:35:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DAD3250A8D; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:35:31 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:35:31 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: scrappy@hub.org To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: nfs error: No route to host when starting apache ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:55:27 -0000 I just setup an nfs mount between two servers ... ServerA, nfsd on 192.168.1.8 ServerB, nfs client on 192.168.1.7 I have a jail, ServerC, running on 192.168.1.7 ... most operations appear to work, but it looks like 'special files' of a sort aren't working, for when I try and startup Apache, I get: [Fri Apr 01 19:42:02 2011] [emerg] (65)No route to host: couldn't grab the accept mutex When I try and do a 'newaliases', I get: # newaliases postalias: fatal: lock /etc/aliases.db: No route to host Yet, for instance, both MySQL and PostgreSQL are running without any issues ... So, the mount is there, it is readable, it is working ... I can ssh into the jail, I can create files, etc ... I do have rpc.lockd and rpc.statd running on both client / server sides ... I'm not seeing anything in eithr the man page for mount_nfs *or* nfsd that might account / corect for something like this, but since I'm not sure what "this" is exactly, not sure exactl what I should be looking for :( Note that this behaviour happens at the *physical* server level as well, having tested with using postalias to generate the same 'lock' issue above ... Now, I do have mountd/nfsd started iwth the -h to bind them to 192.168.1.8 ... *but*, the servers themselves, although on same switch do have different default gateways ... I'm not seeing anything within the man page for, say, rpc.statd/rpc.lockd that allows me to bind it to the 192.168.1.0/24 IP, so is it binding to my public IP instead of my private? So nfsd / mount_nfs can talk find, as they go thorugh 192.168.1.0/24 as desired, but rpc.statd/rpc.lockd are the public IPs and not able to talk to each other? Thx ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 21:56:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03071065677 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepi101.cox.net (eastrmfepi101.cox.net [68.230.241.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD0F8FC20 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110401213827.UKFI32702.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:38:27 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.0.74.39]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id SMeS1g00c0qrgKG02MeTy0; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:38:27 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=M8JBLnaY5NgVE3FOpmi78dWpbRqSQYFY5eMiiE+/wTk= c=1 sm=1 a=svAFAT5c7LwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=oQlLO+LZLXr3i/pvxbOkMg==:17 a=z6TgShwtmgr2_prNetIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=oQlLO+LZLXr3i/pvxbOkMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) smtp.auth=dfunk6@cox.net Message-ID: <4D9645D8.6010109@cox.net> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:38:32 -0500 From: Derek Funk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110401-2, 04/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Video Capture Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:56:10 -0000 Searched in the mailing list but no luck. Has anyone set up a MythTV backend? Any does anyone know of issues with the WinTV-PVR-350 on FreeBSD? Derek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 21:58:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F74106566C for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DE08FC17 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110401215807.VAQP32559.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:58:07 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.0.74.39]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id SMy71g00A0qrgKG02My7Y0; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:58:07 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xQhl7YV+CkEF2/9qSP06YAMZVhQcMKkBS1ybBfhMM2k= c=1 sm=1 a=svAFAT5c7LwA:10 a=0Wng4HAilJcA:10 a=oQlLO+LZLXr3i/pvxbOkMg==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=zwP0Etz5IkesjgSnDp4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=dltVfG0hqyjvbrd6BvcA:9 a=4RENPcw_wu6cQsYO-38A:7 a=oQlLO+LZLXr3i/pvxbOkMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) smtp.auth=dfunk6@cox.net Message-ID: <4D964A75.3050709@cox.net> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:13 -0500 From: Derek Funk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110401-2, 04/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: Video Capture Cards(correction) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:58:14 -0000 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Video Capture Cards Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:38:32 -0500 From: Derek Funk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Searched in the mailing list but no luck. Has anyone set up a MythTV backend? Any does anyone know of issues with the WinTV-PVR-350 on FreeBSD? Derek WinTV-HVR-2250 not WinTV-PVR-350 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 23:08:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D45106566C for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEE88FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p31N8FKm002311 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p31N8Fv7002308 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:08:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: mount a dumpfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:08:17 -0000 Is it possible to mount a dump(8) dumpfile? restore(8) obviously knows everything about the file structure, and restore -i is nearly a read-only mount_dump already. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 23:25:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363D3106564A; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0BA8FC15; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826683250A90; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:07:25 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06097-10; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BC9C93250A8D; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:07:17 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDF63250A8B; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:07:17 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:07:17 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs error: No route to host when starting apache ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:25:28 -0000 I've succeedig in getting a bit further ... by the time I got to the bottom of my original, I started to think in terms of rpc more, and had overlooked lookign at thte rpcbind man page, which *does* have a -h option ... setting that fixes things perfectly *almost* ... The last issue I seem to be hitting *might* be a 6.x NFS client against a 7.x server issue ... ? Postfix generates: postfix/showq[65261]: fatal: select lock: Permission denied The only post I found about this was: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-April/215284.html But there didn't appear to be any responses ... so either all responses were private to Robert, or ... ? This is my last 6.x box, so it is not overly critical, but would be nice if I could get it to work properly ... On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I just setup an nfs mount between two servers ... > > ServerA, nfsd on 192.168.1.8 > ServerB, nfs client on 192.168.1.7 > > I have a jail, ServerC, running on 192.168.1.7 ... most operations appear to > work, but it looks like 'special files' of a sort aren't working, for when I > try and startup Apache, I get: > > [Fri Apr 01 19:42:02 2011] [emerg] (65)No route to host: couldn't grab the > accept mutex > > When I try and do a 'newaliases', I get: > > # newaliases > postalias: fatal: lock /etc/aliases.db: No route to host > > Yet, for instance, both MySQL and PostgreSQL are running without any issues > ... > > So, the mount is there, it is readable, it is working ... I can ssh into the > jail, I can create files, etc ... > > I do have rpc.lockd and rpc.statd running on both client / server sides ... > > I'm not seeing anything in eithr the man page for mount_nfs *or* nfsd that > might account / corect for something like this, but since I'm not sure what > "this" is exactly, not sure exactl what I should be looking for :( > > Note that this behaviour happens at the *physical* server level as well, > having tested with using postalias to generate the same 'lock' issue above > ... > > Now, I do have mountd/nfsd started iwth the -h to bind them to 192.168.1.8 > ... *but*, the servers themselves, although on same switch do have different > default gateways ... I'm not seeing anything within the man page for, say, > rpc.statd/rpc.lockd that allows me to bind it to the 192.168.1.0/24 IP, so is > it binding to my public IP instead of my private? So nfsd / mount_nfs can > talk find, as they go thorugh 192.168.1.0/24 as desired, but > rpc.statd/rpc.lockd are the public IPs and not able to talk to each other? > > Thx ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 23:33:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0E1106564A; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from esa-jnhn.mail.uoguelph.ca (esa-jnhn.mail.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7207C8FC19; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAHxZlk2DaFvO/2dsb2JhbACESKIRiHmnTJBagSiBaIFkdwSLeYEi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,285,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="116808781" Received: from erie.cs.uoguelph.ca (HELO zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca) ([131.104.91.206]) by esa-jnhn-pri.mail.uoguelph.ca with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2011 19:04:32 -0400 Received: from zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0051EB40B2; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Macklem To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <116776764.2605927.1301699071938.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [172.17.91.201] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.10_GA_2692 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.10_GA_2692) Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs error: No route to host when starting apache ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:33:33 -0000 > I just setup an nfs mount between two servers ... > > ServerA, nfsd on 192.168.1.8 > ServerB, nfs client on 192.168.1.7 > > I have a jail, ServerC, running on 192.168.1.7 ... most operations > appear > to work, but it looks like 'special files' of a sort aren't working, > for > when I try and startup Apache, I get: > > [Fri Apr 01 19:42:02 2011] [emerg] (65)No route to host: couldn't grab > the > accept mutex > > When I try and do a 'newaliases', I get: > > # newaliases > postalias: fatal: lock /etc/aliases.db: No route to host > > Yet, for instance, both MySQL and PostgreSQL are running without any > issues ... > > So, the mount is there, it is readable, it is working ... I can ssh > into > the jail, I can create files, etc ... > > I do have rpc.lockd and rpc.statd running on both client / server > sides > ... > Since rpc.lockd and rpc.statd expect to be able to do IP broadcast (same goes for rpcbind), I suspect that might be a problem w.r.t. jails, although I know nothing about how jails work? > I'm not seeing anything in eithr the man page for mount_nfs *or* nfsd > that > might account / corect for something like this, but since I'm not sure > what "this" is exactly, not sure exactl what I should be looking for > :( > > Note that this behaviour happens at the *physical* server level as > well, > having tested with using postalias to generate the same 'lock' issue > above > ... > > Now, I do have mountd/nfsd started iwth the -h to bind them to > 192.168.1.8 > ... *but*, the servers themselves, although on same switch do have > different default gateways ... I'm not seeing anything within the man > page > for, say, rpc.statd/rpc.lockd that allows me to bind it to the > 192.168.1.0/24 IP, so is it binding to my public IP instead of my > private? > So nfsd / mount_nfs can talk find, as they go thorugh 192.168.1.0/24 > as > desired, but rpc.statd/rpc.lockd are the public IPs and not able to > talk > to each other? > > Thx ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 23:42:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02B11065719; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from esa-annu.mail.uoguelph.ca (esa-annu.mail.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9BE8FC13; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEALphlk2DaFvO/2dsb2JhbACESKIRiHmnOZBagSiBaIFkdwSLeYEi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,285,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="115858924" Received: from erie.cs.uoguelph.ca (HELO zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca) ([131.104.91.206]) by esa-annu-pri.mail.uoguelph.ca with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2011 19:42:40 -0400 Received: from zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0145B3F29; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Macklem To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <326244177.2606708.1301701360593.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> In-Reply-To: <116776764.2605927.1301699071938.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [172.17.91.201] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.10_GA_2692 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.10_GA_2692) Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs error: No route to host when starting apache ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:42:42 -0000 > > I just setup an nfs mount between two servers ... > > > > ServerA, nfsd on 192.168.1.8 > > ServerB, nfs client on 192.168.1.7 > > > > I have a jail, ServerC, running on 192.168.1.7 ... most operations > > appear > > to work, but it looks like 'special files' of a sort aren't working, > > for > > when I try and startup Apache, I get: > > > > [Fri Apr 01 19:42:02 2011] [emerg] (65)No route to host: couldn't > > grab > > the > > accept mutex > > > > When I try and do a 'newaliases', I get: > > > > # newaliases > > postalias: fatal: lock /etc/aliases.db: No route to host > > > > Yet, for instance, both MySQL and PostgreSQL are running without any > > issues ... > > > > So, the mount is there, it is readable, it is working ... I can ssh > > into > > the jail, I can create files, etc ... > > > > I do have rpc.lockd and rpc.statd running on both client / server > > sides > > ... > > > Since rpc.lockd and rpc.statd expect to be able to do IP broadcast > (same goes for rpcbind), I suspect that might be a problem w.r.t. > jails, although I know nothing about how jails work? > Oh, and you can use the "nolock" mount option to avoid use of rpc.lockd and rpc.statd. > > I'm not seeing anything in eithr the man page for mount_nfs *or* > > nfsd > > that > > might account / corect for something like this, but since I'm not > > sure > > what "this" is exactly, not sure exactl what I should be looking for > > :( > > > > Note that this behaviour happens at the *physical* server level as > > well, > > having tested with using postalias to generate the same 'lock' issue > > above > > ... > > > > Now, I do have mountd/nfsd started iwth the -h to bind them to > > 192.168.1.8 > > ... *but*, the servers themselves, although on same switch do have > > different default gateways ... I'm not seeing anything within the > > man > > page > > for, say, rpc.statd/rpc.lockd that allows me to bind it to the > > 192.168.1.0/24 IP, so is it binding to my public IP instead of my > > private? > > So nfsd / mount_nfs can talk find, as they go thorugh 192.168.1.0/24 > > as > > desired, but rpc.statd/rpc.lockd are the public IPs and not able to > > talk > > to each other? > > > > Thx ... > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 23:58:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBBC106564A for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher-ml@telting.org) Received: from mail.telting.org (mail.telting.org [204.109.56.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE928FC0C for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from apollo.local (cpe-76-168-204-255.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.204.255]) by mail.telting.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFFD2AA7D for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:04 -0700 From: Chris Telting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:58:06 -0000 Just in a thoughtful mood and thought I'd to the question to the cloud. One of my biggest gripes with the ports system is dependency hell. Ports link against so my optional components and pull them into the install. Libraries and components are built based on make file defines. But this doesn't have to be so. It's possible and easy enough to check a running system for which libraries are installed and only if a feature is enabled to load the library. The number of console programs that want to pull in X window or kde is my boggling. Knowing how to program myself when I see a "make config" menu on every single port it makes me want to cry. I think the "make config" menus should have everything checked by default and only be provided to prevent things from being compiled such as for embedded devices. My question is why is this so? Why can't programs do more run time configuration? Is a configuration run time system library needed to make it easier? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 00:10:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BFF106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02918FC17 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p31NW4wN001450; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:32:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p31NW4Hc001449; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:32:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:32:04 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20110401233203.GA1433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount a dumpfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 00:10:43 -0000 On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 05:08:15PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > Is it possible to mount a dump(8) dumpfile? restore(8) obviously knows > everything about the file structure, and restore -i is nearly a > read-only mount_dump already. I don't think so. It is a different structure. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 00:20:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5EE106566B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher-ml@telting.org) Received: from mail.telting.org (mail.telting.org [204.109.56.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3448FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from apollo.local (cpe-76-168-204-255.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.204.255]) by mail.telting.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926C72AA7D for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D966BE3.50807@telting.org> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:20:51 -0700 From: Chris Telting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Kerberos and su to root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 00:20:53 -0000 I have multiple systems and jails at my home. I would very much like to implement a single sign on strategy with kerberos. I think it's safer than having private keys on every single box. I can easily do this for shh user logins to multiple boxes. But I like to sign in as a user and then su to root when I get there. (Forget about sudo, I am administering these boxes and don't want to type sudo for every single command, it's not a user machine). From what I understand of Kerberos I would need change identity and type a password every time I ksu which is what I'm trying to avoid. Am I right that it is imposable to maintain multiple simultaneous credentials and get the right one to automatically be used? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 00:34:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE25106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A378FC1B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p320YaxG002558; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p320Yaf9002555; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:34:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chris Telting In-Reply-To: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> Message-ID: References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 00:34:37 -0000 On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Chris Telting wrote: > One of my biggest gripes with the ports system is dependency hell. Ports > link against so my optional components and pull them into the install. > Libraries and components are built based on make file defines. But this > doesn't have to be so. It's possible and easy enough to check a running > system for which libraries are installed and only if a feature is enabled to > load the library. Port Makefiles already have BUILD_DEPENDS, RUN_DEPENDS, and LIB_DEPENDS, which do this automatically. > The number of console programs that want to pull in X window or kde is > my boggling. Those would not really be console programs, then, or their dependencies are directly or indirectly dependent on X or KDE. > Knowing how to program myself when I see a "make config" menu on every > single port it makes me want to cry. I think the "make config" menus > should have everything checked by default and only be provided to > prevent things from being compiled such as for embedded devices. You are mistaken about what the config options do. For example, I have hal installed, but don't want to use it when building xorg-server. The config options make that easy. > My question is why is this so? Why can't programs do more run time > configuration? Is a configuration run time system library needed to > make it easier? Letting the user explicitly configure what they want is better than just assuming based on what they have installed. If you really want to avoid the config options, set the BATCH variable in make.conf or on the command line. Or use config-recursive to get all of the config options over with at the beginning of the build. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 00:51:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739031065670 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCE58FC19 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-79.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.79]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C3B1E17A; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:51:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p320ppoj012077; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:51:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:51:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Telting Message-Id: <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 00:51:54 -0000 On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:04 -0700, Chris Telting wrote: > Just in a thoughtful mood and thought I'd to the question to the cloud. Oh the joy of cloud computing, erm... discussion. :-) > One of my biggest gripes with the ports system is dependency hell. > Ports link against so my optional components and pull them into the > install. Libraries and components are built based on make file > defines. If you do install a program via pkg_add (it's about precompiled binaries, so no Makefile involved, not even a ports tree), there are also means to determine if something ELSE is needed - as a dependency. Hard disk space is cheap today, so 99% of users don't even bother installing all the stuff they primarily won't need, but the program THAT they need insists on it. > But this doesn't have to be so. It's possible and easy enough > to check a running system for which libraries are installed and only if > a feature is enabled to load the library. It already works that way. Say program A needs B of version n as dependency, then B(n) has to be installed even if B(n-1) is already present on the system. This is no big deal if B isn't installed at all, but requires caution when it is (at version n-1). Of course, B may have other dependencies that do not matter to A, but to B, so even C(m) gets installed. > The number of console > programs that want to pull in X window or kde is my boggling. Hmmm... The only one I remember being that way is the old cvsup, but there was nocvsup-nogui (or -nox11?). > Knowing > how to program myself when I see a "make config" menu on every single > port it makes me want to cry. You can script those mechanism, so you get rid of that interaction and can use file-defined settings. > I think the "make config" menus should > have everything checked by default and only be provided to prevent > things from being compiled such as for embedded devices. Oh no, please - NO! Everything checked by default? That would be problematic for those who, for example, don't WANT to use HAL+DBUS because it just doesn't work for them. Or people who have security concerns (or maybe even external regulations) so they do not want to install something. And remember: Regarding codecs for mplayer and mencoder, it's illegal to listen to MP3 in the US! :-) > My question is why is this so? Why can't programs do more run time > configuration? Is a configuration run time system library needed to > make it easier? You're bringing up an interesting idea, but runtime detection of library (or feature) availability seems to be very time consuming to me. An example is mplayer. On older system, I did always compile it to match the CPU that is present, means NO "runtime CPU detection". Why? Because it often runs too slow on older system if enabled. And let's assume another typical example from the multimedia sector. You have installed mplayer and want to play MP3 audio or an MPEG video file, or even a DVD - which is completely illegal in the US. :-) But there is no libdvd installed, and no MP3 codecs for playing or encoding. What should happen? Upon first start, should the program request you to download and install them? But what if the system is offline? I would assume it's better to install all the stuff needed at install time, no matter if being from ports or as a package. The problem with packages is that most ports have so many options that it would result in 2^x packages if the port has x options. And how should the ports then be named? Should the selected options be abbreviated and in alphabetical order? Well, I would REALLY like to have a USABLE set of options predefined and compiled into the packages. I know that this may very problematic (see codecs), and the packages usually are made using the DEFAULT options which may not be the OPTIMAL options for everyone. And sometimes, there even isn't a package (e. g. OpenOffice) with the required set of options, and even if it is, half of the stuff one assumes is missing (also see OpenOffice). So there is still stuff one needs to compile, and YOU are in charge to define the options you need. This is the "downside" when you're running a multi- purpose OS like FreeBSD. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 01:50:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2273A106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from kane.compar.com (ns1.compar.com [207.236.25.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFF18FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hermes (CPE002129cfd480-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.129.198]) by kane.compar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A2015B28A2 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matt Emmerton" To: References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000301cbf0d5$f0de1e60$d29a5b20$@on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acvw0QVsJwlmQwDSQDW51mWGid9+ggAAxzbA Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:50:12 -0000 > > The number of console > > programs that want to pull in X window or kde is > > my boggling. > > Hmmm... The only one I remember being that way is > the old cvsup, but there was nocvsup-nogui (or -nox11?). Over the years I've found that ghostscript and gd are two common culprits. Every time I see a webserver with X11 on it, it's because of these two. Of course, using ghostscript*-nox11 as well as setting WITHOUT_X11=yes solves a lot of this mess, but on a system that's already been "infested", it's easier just to rebuild from scratch. I dearly love FreeBSD, but after a few hours of building world and upgrading ports/packages, walking over to my RHEL/CentOS machines and typing "yum update -y && reboot" just brings tears to my eyes. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 02:25:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EA7106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EC48FC17 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so5173803iyj.13 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qrDxB7rbIXYKfbs7Lif7pusWZZ1vKWzzMJmNFrTy6rw=; b=jPxR/PCFl8wEmG6DJUfgvIGGX8ZMd2v+uBBYwx4q94syeDs5Z1SK2Dev+uha7EsCJ3 vmcNgAKsl/2Xi7JsOknA7dFUVhWwy5FW1yOMMboAY9TMFMYarc+C7gnuRi1EJj+YHji/ glxWHnhAwF0eLqArtbAHcjG7PzRw7Sck8lj+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=kkpofHkZ62NbHF9avtCDKjJZrsnPrzn/EdgJ3RrGpZR8wO7l5L4YvGn+ciLWhkQDNo UISbgrP9Kjxx//i8ZlxNZzpdrA1ppDgj+c+9Z5M+ClJRNPg9eBSW9PHIhZTsZhojNuK+ QvCvLYRVlMFS/hM5tianLQHtojBJfDMmvuh9g= Received: by 10.42.133.130 with SMTP id h2mr6257750ict.463.1301711114113; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.192.82 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:24:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: tuning a system for a single user X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 02:25:15 -0000 When I look for tuning guides online, or reading tuning(7) I find a lot of guides for tuning a system for multiple users or for specific purposes (web servers, file servers, etc) I am looking for specific tunables that might make the experience of using FreeBSD better. I found the sysctl kern.maxusers but I'm unsure how things affects things. Can I reduce the amount of time, memory, etc the kernel spends enforcing quota, scheduling, etc? I don't have anything particular in mind - just want to get a general set of tunables I might be interested in. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 04:36:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D66106567A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher-ml@telting.org) Received: from mail.telting.org (mail.telting.org [204.109.56.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3D78FC13 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from apollo.local (cpe-76-168-204-255.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.204.255]) by mail.telting.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C1A2A867; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D96A7E7.2040704@telting.org> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:36:55 -0700 From: Chris Telting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110305 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 04:36:57 -0000 On 04/01/2011 17:51, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:04 -0700, Chris Telting wrote: >> Just in a thoughtful mood and thought I'd to the question to the cloud. > Oh the joy of cloud computing, erm... discussion. :-) Wasn't that the a subplot of the hitch hikers guide? That the sum of human consciousness is just a cloud computer? New term, old idea. >> One of my biggest gripes with the ports system is dependency hell. >> Ports link against so my optional components and pull them into the >> install. Libraries and components are built based on make file >> defines. > If you do install a program via pkg_add (it's about > precompiled binaries, so no Makefile involved, not > even a ports tree), there are also means to determine > if something ELSE is needed - as a dependency. Hard > disk space is cheap today, so 99% of users don't even > bother installing all the stuff they primarily won't > need, but the program THAT they need insists on it. Ports or packages, what I'm discussing is minimizing dependencies. I compile my own packages and use them across all my computers. What I'm saying I'd like to see is minimal installs. If you need a feature like for instance LDAP or SQL then you need to install that port. Need another feature? Install yet another port. The program should detect that new programs/libraries are available or at a minimum enable them though uncommenting a line in a conf file. >> But this doesn't have to be so. It's possible and easy enough >> to check a running system for which libraries are installed and only if >> a feature is enabled to load the library. > It already works that way. Say program A needs B of version > n as dependency, then B(n) has to be installed even if > B(n-1) is already present on the system. This is no big > deal if B isn't installed at all, but requires caution > when it is (at version n-1). Of course, B may have other > dependencies that do not matter to A, but to B, so even > C(m) gets installed. And that's the mess I don't like. It's like the six degrees of separation rule. Installing one application sometimes means installing 100 other ports/packages with features the average user has no need or interest in yet. I'm just saying we should have to need to install/compile all those packages when we don't need them and we should have to need to recompile ports just to add a new capability. >> The number of console >> programs that want to pull in X window or kde is my boggling. > Hmmm... The only one I remember being that way is the > old cvsup, but there was nocvsup-nogui (or -nox11?). Well I decided I wanted to try to setup pulseaudio as a network sound server on a headless computer and it pulled in X. Sure I could recompile just for that one computer. But that isn't elegant. The storage space doesn't matter. What annoys me is the installation time and the longer compile time as well as to some extent downing time. > I think the "make config" menus should >> have everything checked by default and only be provided to prevent >> things from being compiled such as for embedded devices. > Oh no, please - NO! Everything checked by default? That > would be problematic for those who, for example, don't > WANT to use HAL+DBUS because it just doesn't work for > them. Or people who have security concerns (or maybe > even external regulations) so they do not want to install > something. And remember: Regarding codecs for mplayer > and mencoder, it's illegal to listen to MP3 in the US! :-) The point would be that the programs wouldn't have those features enabled by default, you have to configure them or the program can auto-detect. >> My question is why is this so? Why can't programs do more run time >> configuration? Is a configuration run time system library needed to >> make it easier? > You're bringing up an interesting idea, but runtime > detection of library (or feature) availability seems > to be very time consuming to me. An example is mplayer. > On older system, I did always compile it to match the > CPU that is present, means NO "runtime CPU detection". > Why? Because it often runs too slow on older system if > enabled. Well obviously that one actual good reason for people to compile their own ports. Nothing can change that. What I'm saying is that libraries and features shouldn't be in the config menu. > And let's assume another typical example from the > multimedia sector. You have installed mplayer and want > to play MP3 audio or an MPEG video file, or even a > DVD - which is completely illegal in the US. :-) > But there is no libdvd installed, and no MP3 codecs > for playing or encoding. What should happen? Upon > first start, should the program request you to > download and install them? But what if the system > is offline? I would assume it's better to install > all the stuff needed at install time, no matter if > being from ports or as a package. If it worked like like would like then you wouldn't be able to play those files unless you downloaded another package or compiled the ports for the mp3 library. Same as it works on windows. Don't have a codec.. then you need to install one... > The problem with packages is that most ports have > so many options that it would result in 2^x packages > if the port has x options. And how should the ports > then be named? Should the selected options be > abbreviated and in alphabetical order? > > Well, I would REALLY like to have a USABLE set of > options predefined and compiled into the packages. > I know that this may very problematic (see codecs), > and the packages usually are made using the DEFAULT > options which may not be the OPTIMAL options for > everyone. And sometimes, there even isn't a package > (e. g. OpenOffice) with the required set of options, > and even if it is, half of the stuff one assumes is > missing (also see OpenOffice). > > So there is still stuff one needs to compile, and > YOU are in charge to define the options you need. > This is the "downside" when you're running a multi- > purpose OS like FreeBSD. See above. What I want to see is minimal installs with all features being usable once you install the optional components. And run time detection for programs shouldn't be all that difficult or computation intensive. The program would just consult pkg_info or another similar but faster database (and maybe somewhat platform independent) of what's installed on the system. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 08:22:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772B4106566B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.marec@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464998FC18 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.lamaiziere.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9161363307B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 93.28.96.112 (SquirrelMail authenticated user david.nul) by lamaiziere.net with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <2a45fcd55d08a7465370ad0acf8e724c.squirrel@lamaiziere.net> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:04:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "David Marec" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: About using setenv within Login.conf, then interpolate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.marec@davenulle.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:22:48 -0000 Hi, I am using the following /etc/login.conf cap-file, that defines the "french class" as an interpolate from "default": <--- ---> default:\ :passwd_format=md5:\ :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ :welcome=/etc/motd:\ :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$\ ,BLOCKSIZE=K\ ,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES\ [...etc.] french|Utilisateurs francophones:\ :charset=ISO-8859-15:\ :setenv=LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15\ ,LC_ALL=fr_FR.ISO8859-15:\ :lang=fr_FR.ISO8859-15:\ :tc=default: <--- ---> But, the "setenv" tags that are defined for "default" are not set for french user: david:~>pw showuser $user david:*:1001:0:french:0:0:David Marec:/home/david:/bin/tcsh david:~>setenv | egrep -i \(mail\|ftp\) david:~>su -l Password: root:~#pw showuser $user root:*:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh root:~#setenv | egrep -i \(mail\|ftp\) FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES MAIL=/var/mail/root What that i missed ? -- Cordialement, -- David Marec: http://user.lamaiziere.net/david/Site/ http://www.freebsd.org/fr/ http://www.diablotins.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 08:29:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6329C106564A; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967D48FC1D; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3699490bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=8nXRxJ8kUOlAOqpnceH7CIHS81ar1l7ZcOA10N+KoOs=; b=uW/cOH2xz5vR5OwcEsTIQvsa5vYnL6cLlpwHEY2dONTCZ8GM+F/DJ6uPvKHZzWOi7k 993mw5OqecKukjZI4tVTzBD/uLuAiZb1+SRtI4TS7VnBwcqiexHUF3WHHUSjOtzNZ8Qz MtWO+9fxyBMTQsIOC+QPgtg110dd5Co59epes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=JWB/diUyqNH4FNFtiRVwVECbucqnab5lGPnydi7a45ow8coXcE5jzPSGrhR9E+OUnS 4lU/8exBxon4Td/4tKI8eS4OiBovUEpDuwNur31rabtVsRTeTUF0BPjoPnp7r9qJeHHt DKO9am+R5IOmoF8JabLCxwN+90LsqvDFM2dAs= Received: by 10.204.7.17 with SMTP id b17mr407907bkb.214.1301732968229; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:29:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:28:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110402112604.4790d7ff@ukr.net> References: <20110402112604.4790d7ff@ukr.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:28:58 +0100 Message-ID: To: Ivan Klymenko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: itetcu@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tinderbox question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:29:30 -0000 On 2 April 2011 09:26, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > Hi, folks! > > For example, i built in my tinderbox port audio/clementine-player... > It depends on qt4 -* ports... > > For example, the file qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.2.tar.gz must be > downloaded (if not mistaken) for more than five times! Why? > > File size ~208655K => 5*208655K=1043275K !!! > > When building ports with these files it is extremely slow and not > optimal. > > Is it possible to transfer the function cleandistfiles to another > place, that would be cleaning distfiles directory took place after the > construction of the entire queue, or do it manually? > > What do you think about this? > > Thank you! > Best regards, Ivan. > Distfiles aren't cached by default. http://tinderbox.marcuscom.com/README/README.html#AEN587 Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 08:37:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64EE1065670; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E288FC18; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:37:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=ue7ACVgijGGf5vP9bLqkunY6U0Rg53cXCDFlR9wiEpU=; b=JnvhuTZfcT/qL/SkrsvYtAIgkzu6GdJBwApokS/JUofW4/kLQQ6fy/raOi4zrXKyUCW4b5syR0dPd7BqeYD28OLhIPY2LPHCsixJqN5E+wJ/C2VC03TBMJpKXlNnyrAByxdr5/UQZlE7no8/A/nfygko9cTIZjkr9HAFWQqACcg=; Received: from [46.185.0.93] (helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1Q5wKV-000HWI-Fo ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:37:11 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:37:10 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-ID: <20110402113710.38deff2c@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20110402112604.4790d7ff@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: itetcu@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tinderbox question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:37:12 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:28:58 +0100 Chris Rees =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 2 April 2011 09:26, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > Hi, folks! > > > > For example, i built in my tinderbox port audio/clementine-player... > > It depends on qt4 -* ports... > > > > For example, the file qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.2.tar.gz > > must be downloaded (if not mistaken) for more than five times! Why? > > > > File size ~208655K =3D> 5*208655K=3D1043275K !!! > > > > When building ports with these files it is extremely slow and not > > optimal. > > > > Is it possible to transfer the function cleandistfiles to another > > place, that would be cleaning distfiles directory took place after > > the construction of the entire queue, or do it manually? > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > Thank you! > > Best regards, Ivan. > > >=20 > Distfiles aren't cached by default. >=20 > http://tinderbox.marcuscom.com/README/README.html#AEN587 >=20 > Chris >=20 >=20 Thanks! Sorry for noice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 08:40:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E2106564A; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD778FC1C; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:40:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=gEH2r1oSZl1VqF+zGsvobLZs1r+jrcwPgyMgmjtq2b8=; b=cjZwlr2p4FgHOmdNmicSU4RP9ySKqoGMkvVnV16d14N6h02KqcaE3w9u9NtDrMTk4t8HL5/DgSA4Wfq4SCoDAebWBEkDE9FgC21+SK/utiDS5/6MJxD3RPVDbERSwrXwnTgNzAReEwmxG2bs3SKJ6BkpSpiTFYv28FA+ou4H1tU=; Received: from [46.185.0.93] (helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1Q5w9l-000Fmq-My ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:26:05 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:26:04 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, itetcu@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110402112604.4790d7ff@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Tinderbox question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:40:40 -0000 Hi, folks! For example, i built in my tinderbox port audio/clementine-player... It depends on qt4 -* ports... For example, the file qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.2.tar.gz must be downloaded (if not mistaken) for more than five times! Why? File size ~208655K => 5*208655K=1043275K !!! When building ports with these files it is extremely slow and not optimal. Is it possible to transfer the function cleandistfiles to another place, that would be cleaning distfiles directory took place after the construction of the entire queue, or do it manually? What do you think about this? Thank you! Best regards, Ivan. P.S. Sorry for my english. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 08:41:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A3A106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF638FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3703043bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=aCxfkm9PaQy/KXRgZe5/tv2zj85mXycKzvyllFifEjU=; b=Y1pc5ELNX8yxTYWA8ZBZz7KmaYyJ3t89nL5HgnBD7FpO9iIritCocQpidmjknyxksn jBGrY1DaprZ/X1vuzVKsf0kOAVh7fabS8CG4TOUqVRTxGORcHdQ47hIjaKYTDxk9Q912 a0RfHNFF+AQtpTl9z/bUUHQ0spd/gtzR5XXL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=IMGrNHdVT/GkNy1CrXXX84Td8UXhW3PhLvY+WTua9npYCXJSZsv5gd5HXefIxtPL4C I03cZTnTxlAi+TCoWmEWpwqmJEJj8xEwaCfvnrCZPDKS+hdv73B+XnQw9N3jHNUmnBcb eYp60NSSErtKdRIILMLZOjZgKAVVBpJiRFC90= Received: by 10.204.19.14 with SMTP id y14mr4425347bka.187.1301733676185; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:40:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: Chris Telting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:41:17 -0000 On 2 April 2011 00:58, Chris Telting wrote: > > Just in a thoughtful mood and thought I'd to the question to the cloud. > > One of my biggest gripes with the ports system is dependency hell. I think you've misunderstood the term dependency hell [1]. Anyone who has spent hours struggling with rpm (ugh, or worse CMMI) to get x application installed which depends on y from z.alpha.com and s from t.beta.com, which also need rpm-ing with their own dependencies would never dare to even think of such terms when using the Ports Collection. I found it a miracle when I first moved! Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_hell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 09:06:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0E01065672 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A1A8FC18 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p3296mgc018919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:06:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p3296mgc018919 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1301735209; bh=LBpDAAifnfGA7qwhbwiztqwlk2S5iBfHI+0jxqPHf1U=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D96E721.10103@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sat ,=2002=20Apr=202011=2010:06:41=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Mac intosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20rv: 1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201.0 |To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20About=20=20u sing=20setenv=20within=20Login.conf,=20then=20interpolate|Referenc es:=20<2a45fcd55d08a7465370ad0acf8e724c.squirrel@lamaiziere.net>|I n-Reply-To:=20<2a45fcd55d08a7465370ad0acf8e724c.squirrel@lamaizier e.net>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Conten t-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20proto col=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"--------- ---enigF7ADB626E7702023D78FB9D3"; b=QabYEetwd7TRa9Hj6DNN3arFPUxEArbUIuxO7QYiymwR8AVYPjiB9JKv5kYmIuzRE YWmkONSFEXPbmK4p8FuwH/xXthKWQ4my00pERlVxERWcRI2HLmwe4/sxxLGThTaXB9 1wVtryGjCEnl7DBcy9+q7Leg2NxSMMCJnT3sU8/E= Message-ID: <4D96E721.10103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:06:41 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2a45fcd55d08a7465370ad0acf8e724c.squirrel@lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <2a45fcd55d08a7465370ad0acf8e724c.squirrel@lamaiziere.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF7ADB626E7702023D78FB9D3" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: About using setenv within Login.conf, then interpolate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:06:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF7ADB626E7702023D78FB9D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/04/2011 09:04, David Marec wrote: > I am using the following /etc/login.conf cap-file, that defines the > "french class" as an interpolate from "default": >=20 >=20 > <--- ---> > default:\ > :passwd_format=3Dmd5:\ > :copyright=3D/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ > :welcome=3D/etc/motd:\ > :setenv=3DMAIL=3D/var/mail/$\ > ,BLOCKSIZE=3DK\ > ,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=3DYES\ >=20 > [...etc.] > french|Utilisateurs francophones:\ > :charset=3DISO-8859-15:\ > :setenv=3DLC_COLLATE=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_CTYPE=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_MESSAGES=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_MONETARY=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_NUMERIC=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_TIME=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15\ > ,LC_ALL=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15:\ > :lang=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-15:\ > :tc=3Ddefault: >=20 > <--- ---> >=20 > But, the "setenv" tags that are defined for "default" are not set for > french user: >=20 >=20 Uh -- the setenv entry in your french class replaces the capability from the default class. You get one or the other, not both. This is consistent with what would happen with any of the other capabilities. I don't think there is a way to refer to a capability setting from a parent class in the way you want. You're just going to have to cut'n'paste the text into your new class. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF7ADB626E7702023D78FB9D3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2W5ygACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzlUACeNcN0J/rNgauMYUIsNaBs2Xqt 9lkAnjwEow0NltFMB7agIVKUbu04kWmt =qasq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF7ADB626E7702023D78FB9D3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 09:32:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5430106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EC88FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.138] (helo=smtp7.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5wrM-0003YR-Hw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:11:08 +0200 Received: from 524a3a21.cm-4-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.74.58.33] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp7.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5wrL-0006i3-8X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:11:07 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by westmark (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 1F57D4; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:13:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4D96E834.9010204@nagual.nl> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:11:16 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nl; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Q5wrL-0006i3-8X X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=0.247, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:32:16 -0000 On 2-4-2011 2:51, Polytropon wrote: > So there is still stuff one needs to compile, and > YOU are in charge to define the options you need. > This is the "downside" when you're running a multi- > purpose OS like FreeBSD. That is a good thing. But I remember an issue that I never understood. I onced set up a system as a mail and webserver and used packages for this. Fast and easy I thought and good enough. But although lamp/famp/samp is very common I could not install apache WITH php support. Why? Because php has no support for apache compiled in the precompiled package (it might have been the other way around; not quite sure). Anyway, apache+php could not be installed from packages. I had to compile them from ports. I hated that and could not understand why a so common setting is not on by default. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 09:52:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDAA1065673 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C18FC16 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3726285bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 02:52:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aptUzO2g9snF5+mGL+c7QdpoACfBUqXpF9sXa5Bmh30=; b=EWT8adN3w0XMpPab4Nf35wpHvGHxbu8CyA7nsbBUFm0YtL1lmmHUpynPJGJYVhVSDk lCXphFGOoxV9WaHJtkclT7k59CtQIckUIxuSq0ljGMDg/0lOjKrWnzidf3yonfbIg+AH taBWUUAXU97w60cqnTxl/rs3CxiZbzfXgAhAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; b=bRyDKRD8WTpGAh7f8VzIkQnj8FRuv/UnxFbtyg2ROL4wGsVbXtaIUY4i/aZgXMtRW/ eMS042ZpaZUIhaKxMlD/DWuhZcI5UnyxrMktBZffN4Pj9OnLywvhXOKsczQZwUPutEr5 p+yxNzdOkeR/4D7kdAb/gsN4Qc8cl0JX0ZjYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.127.29 with SMTP id e29mr3052205bks.52.1301737944815; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 02:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:52:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount a dumpfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:52:26 -0000 On 2 Apr 2011 00:08, "Warren Block" wrote: > > Is it possible to mount a dump(8) dumpfile? restore(8) obviously knows everything about the file structure, and restore -i is nearly a read-only mount_dump already. Restore -i isn't really anything like a mount; it works on a stream (which is why it works on tapes and stdin) where the first but is the file list, telling restore how far to skip to get the file. This is why ls is fast on it, but when you tell it to restore it then takes a little time. If you want proper interactive backups, I'd respectfully suggest you start using rsync incremental backup, for which I have a script sy home I'd you're interested. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 11:36:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9703106564A; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@FreeBSD.org) Received: from worf.ds9.tecnik93.com (worf.ds9.tecnik93.com [81.196.207.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D0A8FC13; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (unknown [188.27.100.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by worf.ds9.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F0122C555B; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:21:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:21:01 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-ID: <20110402142101.179f7b37@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110402112604.4790d7ff@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/IHaQ8ir393FjODagte0BjgS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: Ivan Klymenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tinderbox question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:36:33 -0000 --Sig_/IHaQ8ir393FjODagte0BjgS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:28:58 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 April 2011 09:26, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > Hi, folks! > > > > For example, i built in my tinderbox port audio/clementine-player... > > It depends on qt4 -* ports... > > > > For example, the file qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.2.tar.gz > > must be downloaded (if not mistaken) for more than five times! Why? > > > > File size ~208655K =3D> 5*208655K=3D1043275K !!! > > > > When building ports with these files it is extremely slow and not > > optimal. As Cris sais, setup DISTFILES caching per README. > > Is it possible to transfer the function cleandistfiles to another > > place, that would be cleaning distfiles directory took place after > > the construction of the entire queue, or do it manually? There isn't done any distfile cleaning as such. For each port build, a chroot is created and populated, then cleaned at the end. For "small" ports, this takes more that the actual port build; but no, we can't do without it if we are to have an 100% reproducible build env. --=20 IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" FreeBSD committer -> itetcu@FreeBSD.org, PGP Key ID 057E9F8B493A297B --Sig_/IHaQ8ir393FjODagte0BjgS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk2XBqgACgkQJ7GIuiH/oeWtcgCfebNh1x19D6wEvnUUXSRmn0O7 7CUAoLh8OcG4TVYkaLYpQj3ehdCHsng0 =8ygo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/IHaQ8ir393FjODagte0BjgS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 14:00:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A157E1065672 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9758FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1144834pwj.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:00:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=BYDu1m3MGkKEcl+Vopo0gG2+u0kXq2eJDkNBf+RHRLQ=; b=ZuG5YMh5GBsSnzpxklBsSbEi9rsgZI/D71xYKfqJfjzCEYuYDqg0uc1D9Ggeq7usx+ z1ZXXhPovebqcX7N1FEqVoxUA5Im+kFgx1K1OvKHs8Qnqr+tn0x49J+9WaEApOV8CV0s b9o8rHyNEPMs5tR4BJfHSGZKET6JVJMXMs1KQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nMrEN7fcpb9mYTCKD6O03PrMWMvjEFfMP53OBOX3YU9G7Emi/e4Hoc58EFfrL4AA2k XB8N3Lb6Ottq9aRpRp0fvVqpXdGkrMv9bP9x7DfqS58Cj/m2PGBOy4ungXFnnI2xFyU6 cc4t/K44aVA6uEYedkdMnAZcyyHbVxMSdmwqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.120.40 with SMTP id s40mr4248539wfc.193.1301752817034; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.49.4 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:00:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Chris Telting , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:00:23 -0000 Chris Telting wrote: > See above. What I want to see is minimal installs with all features > being usable once you install the optional components. And run time > detection for programs shouldn't be all that difficult or computation > intensive. The program would just consult pkg_info or another similar > but faster database (and maybe somewhat platform independent) of what's > installed on the system. It's not a "minimal install" if binaries are bloated with extra code to selectively enable _all_ functionality depending upon run-time configuration options and dependency detection, rather than just the functionality that is going to be used. And build times would be longer, usually much longer, because all functionality in the software and all possible dependencies would have be built. And of course a lot of software would have to be rewritten. And I think that the added overhead would not always be negligible. So while your idea has certain advantages, it also has disadvantages. It does not seem practical to implement it, even if it were desirable to do so, for most software at the present time. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 14:20:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794CD1065673 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB268FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021DA264BE5F for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:21:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SL1XolqyCwZN for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:21:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.198] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16886264BE61 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:21:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Coleman Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:20:27 -0500 Message-Id: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:20:42 -0000 I found this command: ls -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/ = /' -e 's/-/|/'=20 Which makes this: |-Mar17 |---1300074369-chow |-----download |-------small |---1300421616-Cunningham |-----download |-------small But I want to use `du` instead to convert this 2.0M ./Mar17/1300074369-chow/download/small 2.0M ./Mar17/1300074369-chow/download 2.0M ./Mar17/1300074369-chow 2.1M ./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham/download/small 2.1M ./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham/download 2.1M ./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham 4.1M ./Mar17 into this: |-Mar17 [4.3M] |---1300074369-chow [2.0M] |-----download [2.0M] |-------small [2.0M] |---1300421616-Cunningham [2.1M] |-----download [2.1M] |-------small [2.1M] I realize it does it backwards and I can live with that... OR mix the = two to run the first command and run another command to get the folders = total size or something... you know? Thanks for the help, Ryan= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 15:17:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236F01065670 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: from smtp.kn-bremen.de (gelbbaer.kn-bremen.de [78.46.108.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2E68FC19 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kn-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 288201E002B9; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from triton8.kn-bremen.de (noident@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triton8.kn-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32F0xoA086310; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:00:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox@triton8.kn-bremen.de) Received: (from nox@localhost) by triton8.kn-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32F0wlQ086309; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:00:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:00:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <201104021500.p32F0wlQ086309@triton8.kn-bremen.de> To: guru@unixarea.de X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.multimedia In-Reply-To: <20110331112119.GA21328@sh4-5.1blu.de> Organization: Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD' Webcam and DVB Compatibility List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:17:26 -0000 In article <20110331112119.GA21328@sh4-5.1blu.de> you write: >Hello, Hi! > >We have started a small documentation project in the FreeBSD Wiki: The >FreeBSD' Webcam and DVB Compatibility List. > >http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat > > The main goal of this page is to give an exact answer about which > application works with a given cam or DVB. Combinations of the hardware > and software mentioned below in the table are known to work. > Please add more lines to the table or ask me to do so by just sending a > mail with your Cam/DVB information. Please note: you should only add > information you have seen working and not you may think of or imagine > that they could work. The contact information (name and/or email addr) > is optional. > >If you want me to add your webcam or DVB, please send me a structured >ASCII line of the following format: > >Cam or DVB type (USB, build-in);Manufactor;Product Name;VendorID:ProductID (hex);Driver or kernel module;V4L/V4L2;min. tested OS version(s);Supported application(s);Additional comments;Contact > >i.e. >-- use ';' as separator of the fields >-- fill out all fields (if you don't know the value use 'unknown') >-- also use 'unknown' for the field Contact if you don't want your name or mail in the row >-- you may send it as one line (as shown above) or wraped lines after any ';' > >Please use the above format and no HTML (HTML will be silently ignored). >As well, please send it to me and not to the list. > >Any hints, comments or questions are welcomed, of course. I have added a few dvb tuners that I tested, and I have also added a Remote Control section and added my mceusb device that I tested with lirc, vdr, and xbmc. Hope that's okay... :) Cheers, Juergen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 15:40:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676A11065675 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D7F8FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p32Fe1G0008645; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p32Fe1p0008642; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:40:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Chris Rees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-196401946-1301758801=:5156" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount a dumpfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:40:02 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-196401946-1301758801=:5156 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 2 Apr 2011, Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 Apr 2011 00:08, "Warren Block" wrote: > > > > Is it possible to mount a dump(8) dumpfile?  restore(8) obviously knows everything about the file structure, and restore -i is nearly a read-only mount_dump already. > > Restore -i isn't really anything like a mount; it works on a stream (which is why it works on tapes and stdin) where the first but is the file list, telling restore how far to skip to > get the file. This is why ls is fast on it, but when you tell it to restore it then takes a little time. Sorry, I didn't explain very well. Use mdconfig to create a device backed by a dumpfile. Then factor out the code from restore to treat that layout as a filesystem. Conceptually, it'd be similar to mount_cd9660. Which is another way to ask the question: does anything besides restore(8) understand the dumpfile format? libarchive does not, unfortunately. > If you want proper interactive backups, I'd respectfully suggest you > start using rsync incremental backup, for which I have a script sy > home I'd you're interested. It's malus versus citrus, but it's always interesting to see alternate approaches. ---902635197-196401946-1301758801=:5156-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 16:15:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7821065670 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DE98FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3887160bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:15:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0TNvCfwnvLAQsVbxJ/4879d8E0ZFWPP2RsTO0DArUgw=; b=Zgo64GObNABI7MGmcXPrYoYZT6pnYnVmtcElIsKON6tRBdGSqb5uuNRIvjVMX3YDd6 59CP3pWT21GjWDuow9WbCMxCpqtyMo0eTggHW0bJMTAA89GoV9JKom/rdOlYmL1wF18p s/o33V7eTNTELwRykhuKkRlD8O8gtdNhKM3Jw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KpLr0ZkRw+PjqF6ZC/LcsapN5VyV45gaopYWqbMqusWFrqqh48J8EwZZM564tXSvTD v2YK/KKq39To93yCxeBWI4LTFhjHbvIff/oOjLXYEnv9GQ4kFsC0QUZjGUoOQdylMsBq N+MPLZOr1XrhMHKm6Pg0OiejbrL5NYDNk4Na4= Received: by 10.204.230.194 with SMTP id jn2mr959530bkb.133.1301760934124; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:15:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:15:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 Message-ID: To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:15:35 -0000 On 2 April 2011 15:20, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I found this command: > ls -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/ =A0= /' -e 's/-/|/' > > Which makes this: > =A0 |-Mar17 > =A0 |---1300074369-chow > =A0 |-----download > =A0 |-------small > =A0 |---1300421616-Cunningham > =A0 |-----download > =A0 |-------small > > But I want to use `du` instead to convert this > 2.0M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300074369-chow/download/small > 2.0M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300074369-chow/download > 2.0M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300074369-chow > 2.1M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham/download/small > 2.1M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham/download > 2.1M =A0 =A0./Mar17/1300421616-Cunningham > 4.1M =A0 =A0./Mar17 > > into this: > =A0 |-Mar17 [4.3M] > =A0 |---1300074369-chow [2.0M] > =A0 |-----download [2.0M] > =A0 |-------small [2.0M] > =A0 |---1300421616-Cunningham [2.1M] > =A0 |-----download [2.1M] > =A0 |-------small [2.1M] > > > I realize it does it backwards and I can live with that... =A0OR mix the = two to run the first command and run another command to get the folders tot= al size or something... you know? > du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print a[j--] }' | awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' Does it forwards :P [crees@zeus]~/workspace/ports% du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print a[j--] }' | awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' |. [445K] |--net-mgmt [81K] |----CVS [5.5K] |----zabbix-server [74K] |------files [11K] |--------CVS [4.5K] |------CVS [4.5K] ... etc... |--net [31K] |----pppoa [24K] |------CVS [4.5K] |------files [12K] |--------CVS [4.5K] |----CVS [5.5K] [crees@zeus]~/workspace/ports% Any refinements requested I'll have a look at. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 17:03:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B791065675 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw06.mailroute.net [199.89.0.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1C88FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw06.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F9CC42F; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:03:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw06.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB2FC42E; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:03:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37189334F; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: "Matt Emmerton" References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> <000301cbf0d5$f0de1e60$d29a5b20$@on.ca> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.4.11; tzolkin = 12 Chuen; haab = 4 Uayeb Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:03:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000301cbf0d5$f0de1e60$d29a5b20$@on.ca> (Matt Emmerton's message of "Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:33:16 -0400") Message-ID: <86bp0oy49k.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:03:47 -0000 >>>>> "Matt" == Matt Emmerton writes: Matt> Every time I see a webserver with X11 on it, it's because of these two. Of Matt> course, using ghostscript*-nox11 as well as setting WITHOUT_X11=yes solves a Matt> lot of this mess, but on a system that's already been "infested", it's Matt> easier just to rebuild from scratch. That's one of the first things I do with a fresh system that will be only a server: echo "WITHOUT_X11=yes" >> /etc/make.conf And then *never* use packages. Only ports. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 17:22:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBC11065670 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F948FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3919309bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=v8nbxMaNf3ahy+37/+HlFjijssx9J/K5HMK7jGW1K0w=; b=LIy+BCkogwJB+xnFyknGKMZcJ6n+o8p88KIF5YGifmIaE2MIClSaQH7l/1RBWVyip1 kBkfH45jYR0jYcyoBj12GDrTXWJ+OzlaQyNIAz5oklPCHbnq/KmX29Yl2DcONNT7E99l 7vBGo3yG8l/wZXREYVcQ9kg9TrRIX7dalpgIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=apsWLCHSchFzyufUuqT0jK9/C6s42Uh4N6FPvJxdbvAocacDI/7wO/7knBtrZ7bHQY xOR+weQKV95WVWS2SDryOZOvPQh18aWXb3NqojhJtzPK3pXB0aek1tLvF5HT3EPgSYAK kH3ZLMHKdnh6ZkQ4BcmT81gakdLiF5qpmu1gY= Received: by 10.204.19.14 with SMTP id y14mr4740476bka.187.1301764961343; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:22:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:22:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: Mike Jeays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:22:43 -0000 On 2 April 2011 18:07, Mike Jeays wrote: > On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 > Chris Rees wrote: > >> du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' | >> awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' > > > I confess to being impressed... > Yeah, but perhaps I should have used sed instead of the second awk; fewer processes: du -h | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' | sed -e 's,^[^1-9]*\([^___CTRL-V+TAB______]*\)____CTRL-V+TAB_____*\(.*\)$,\2 \[\1\],;s,[^-][^/]*/,--,g;s,^,|,' That does exactly the same -- where I've put ____CTRL-V+TAB______ you have to type Ctrl-V, then a literal [::tab::] key; BSD sed doesn't do \t. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 17:30:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD88106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F3A8FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3922750bwz.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nbF+pXB2R8RH4BD54D1+UBwsZf2RXfucQmDGIhesnX8=; b=ZANYin1smokhbhWkhUxQ+5JUO2xQELQExeyMCf2/q9H1T2MWzGD2/5U8tJIfqCDyXn PvJJlp8gRAWdyHQsw7yAbMYMDITTIWwI0En6pLYg418w25Q5+Ci1xSgn5naXBJbrrULt KnLokSQCoQb67qtihLcUzrF+DDDCl9NU2R+kM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gmqryWKj0TJjcuMqM7PKwRQeb+pzvklgo4Elhs3G/QvyWkCtWlSOqyOgiKwYLj6pfI 6CXL+Jj8aHow/K2Ka7XAQHwyzev1kyqX692MUauU1vkQekUsxNYx8LMBNTJYvWHVJ3yr 3ne/EbAjrsHZY9+oYpIEcWkT6wRawc4nZBA9M= Received: by 10.204.18.193 with SMTP id x1mr1235774bka.79.1301765445114; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.64.142 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:30:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:30:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Mike Jeays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:30:46 -0000 On 2 April 2011 18:22, Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 April 2011 18:07, Mike Jeays wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 >> Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print a[j--] }= ' | >>> awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' >> >> >> I confess to being impressed... >> > > Yeah, but perhaps I should have used sed instead of the second awk; > fewer processes: > > du -h | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print a[j--] }' | = sed > -e 's,^[^1-9]*\([^___CTRL-V+TAB______]*\)____CTRL-V+TAB_____*\(.*\)$,\2 > \[\1\],;s,[^-][^/]*/,--,g;s,^,|,' > > That does exactly the same -- =A0where I've put ____CTRL-V+TAB______ you > have to type Ctrl-V, then a literal [::tab::] key; BSD sed doesn't do > \t. > > Chris > Final version: http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/graphical_du.sh Maybe I should port it... Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 17:34:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F55106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 369438FC1F for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 39639 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2011 17:07:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KB4fTWUbkpo9jGvSFpWqK02v9HrqrCylPOKcoFN6U5MaV8wAf+jF3qVluyOn2mXwhFPf82/DBiEPMcgwdF7e46rt68XqqNZ1ogyy1FTK4vQGG4mAKbTmAYucgqpjgcyH3K2yI8CAPyY65Y0Q9YGD6zoR2kMgso2K99uUh5B1APA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1301764060; bh=IqNORL//ZNyh4CG91wilMmqGpTlmvu9cRkmYffopGPE=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SjRORJ34jd1gHcnvscCqAwQNxhtTACNuYKXWuQz59cm9HX05zorKr7BtQ2c65nqYMeWaxUAoYAGxa3Ew6eDzFEwNmAxY4ZvCxuGqUEVFucnpgnTSHSOv0VJE6AohtRZXZChjrvfFVeHrsHCpuKYqwGR+L1xuEc3Sk+VK6TSQ2tE= Received: from napoleon (mike.jeays@99.224.68.113 with login) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Apr 2011 10:07:40 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- X-YMail-OSG: Mwclr_gVM1lfDaZiNwEAI5_7stAjIvtId9yY294rMX1PbZX gQhh7lSWHyB7B6OyVYG.te982xE083x2ReEFXgAh5BD0G46wQolmvognc5B5 Cu4mdbal0Wclzg.vaR0WexyhYg1GzLJmgG4WY_L8NwWqCBb7gsHmX7Zf7R4v XpiK2OYdickl8JV2..kFArLxsnh9xCj7jNAwHvSX6Z_9YKXcrPO3u6WfAFYM bjp_RNiVGUm4KWCB_laocTcyUoXhXvvHf14sxZAQQCdj9pLaUPIjBSHLMAsO JDGIfOlgTEK3PzmdgD3Rvm6g8CUms4_uqx1zuTCK1F2SORJjdSwVA5wCgoGM - X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:07:39 -0400 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> In-Reply-To: References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:34:21 -0000 On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: > du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' | > awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' I confess to being impressed... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 17:38:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E33106566B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:38:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE3D8FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F8B264BEA7; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:39:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZqyEgO1y+oGt; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.198] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6AF6264BE9D; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:37:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06439A14-F0D6-4B79-85D5-031C7BA804D9@d3photography.com> References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> To: utisoft@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Mike Jeays , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:38:11 -0000 Wow... You rock! Thanks so much! On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 April 2011 18:22, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 2 April 2011 18:07, Mike Jeays wrote: >>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 >>> Chris Rees wrote: >>>=20 >>>> du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print = a[j--] }' | >>>> awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e = 's,^,|,' >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I confess to being impressed... >>>=20 >>=20 >> Yeah, but perhaps I should have used sed instead of the second awk; >> fewer processes: >>=20 >> du -h | awk '{a[i++]=3D$0} END {for (j=3Di-1; j>=3D0;) print a[j--] = }' | sed >> -e = 's,^[^1-9]*\([^___CTRL-V+TAB______]*\)____CTRL-V+TAB_____*\(.*\)$,\2 >> \[\1\],;s,[^-][^/]*/,--,g;s,^,|,' >>=20 >> That does exactly the same -- where I've put ____CTRL-V+TAB______ = you >> have to type Ctrl-V, then a literal [::tab::] key; BSD sed doesn't do >> \t. >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >=20 > Final version: >=20 > http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/graphical_du.sh >=20 > Maybe I should port it... >=20 > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 20:46:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D405106566B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED5D8FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-79.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.79]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFA13CA81; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p32KkPeC001788; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:46:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:46:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Telting Message-Id: <20110402224625.b1a5e354.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D96A7E7.2040704@telting.org> References: <4D96668C.3090406@telting.org> <20110402025150.39722549.freebsd@edvax.de> <4D96A7E7.2040704@telting.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 20:46:29 -0000 On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:36:55 -0700, Chris Telting wrote: > On 04/01/2011 17:51, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:04 -0700, Chris Telting wrote: > >> Just in a thoughtful mood and thought I'd to the question to the cloud. > > Oh the joy of cloud computing, erm... discussion. :-) > Wasn't that the a subplot of the hitch hikers guide? That the sum of > human consciousness is just a cloud computer? New term, old idea. Basically, yes. The computer IS a(nother) world. > What I'm saying I'd like to see is minimal installs. If you need a > feature like for instance LDAP or SQL then you need to install that > port. Need another feature? Install yet another port. I would like that, too - modularity on the basis of precompiled packages. The problem would be the integration of features on runtime base, as you correctly mentioned. Metaports or metapackages could be used to define common configurations, e. g. "mplayer + mencoder with OSD fonts and all the codecs" or "OpenOffice with german localization, no KDE, no Gnome, no CUPS, but with dictionaries". That would be very nice to have. > The program > should detect that new programs/libraries are available or at a minimum > enable them though uncommenting a line in a conf file. I would say config file (maybe with good defaults) would be a good approach. I'm somewhat suspicious about all the autodetect magic, because in worst case, it just doesn't work, or is unpredictable. > And that's the mess I don't like. It's like the six degrees of > separation rule. Installing one application sometimes means installing > 100 other ports/packages with features the average user has no need or > interest in yet. I'm just saying we should have to need to > install/compile all those packages when we don't need them and we should > have to need to recompile ports just to add a new capability. The difference is "we need" vs. "the program needs". Some requirements are obvious (e. g. a Gtk program needs Gtk libraries), but others are debatable (e. g. the Gtk "File Open..." dialog defaults to incorporating SAMBA libraries, but if you're not going to use that, _you_ will have no use for them). > Well I decided I wanted to try to setup pulseaudio as a network sound > server on a headless computer and it pulled in X. Yes, that's a good example. Others have already mentioned that certain typical server functionality also may incorporate X or at least some of its components - on a server that doesn't have a GPU and run any X functionality. > Sure I could > recompile just for that one computer. But that isn't elegant. The > storage space doesn't matter. It's just the most used argument. :-) > What annoys me is the installation time > and the longer compile time as well as to some extent downing time. Well, that's worth mentioning, but the reply would be: "You have two systems in parallel, while one installs, the other one runs." :-) But I see your point. > The point would be that the programs wouldn't have those features > enabled by default, you have to configure them or the program can > auto-detect. So THAT would be understandable - config file is often better, or maybe a hierarchical desision: if config file is present, use it; if not, try to autodetect. > If it worked like like would like then you wouldn't be able to play > those files unless you downloaded another package or compiled the ports > for the mp3 library. Same as it works on windows. Don't have a codec.. > then you need to install one... As I mentioned above, a "typical use" or "full-featured" metaport or metapackage would be good; just imagine you could "pkg_add -r mplayer-full" and it would install ALL the codecs, as well as the mencoder part, without any further questions or interactions. On the other hand, the "simple" default port would install with minimal requirements (in regards to dependencies), which could also be very useful in certain cases, especially when the government wants it that way. :-) > See above. What I want to see is minimal installs with all features > being usable once you install the optional components. And run time > detection for programs shouldn't be all that difficult or computation > intensive. The program would just consult pkg_info or another similar > but faster database (and maybe somewhat platform independent) of what's > installed on the system. Understood and seconded: It sounds like an interesting approach. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 20:49:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BC71065676 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02F08FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32KEhe9003010 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32KEh8E003009 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:14:43 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 20:49:24 -0000 my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday. letsee if this gets out -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 21:22:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DC71065670 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.chanters@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31C58FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so5966331iyj.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q6mryXUeNtwXyjcdZG9eiEH5mbDtDmBDpkUgJ0+80Y0=; b=kYvnTDDEfuzHBbcvQmg1xFoBaK1x/v8xzejQcPmaG3HT4UO2WwIUeekc0YwkF5o/Op tcaHeEDjD1vCbquX/M6g+YODvmGzzRBw2t8WxTKjkgJDGFthvTukeL+TdaPiWZRXiF69 yfNq+Jh32F6YKnqZEdfCHTOqVL0WjPWni0/8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=teqRnubdvigcNbwjHySD0bpO01OIIUys+h41lSXUvE0nljLa/Y/cUpa4KgHxoRY3o/ Dfqijb2/JURS+4K6wyV3M/8uTPHNTIpuI/55kmA6DQ/TYyxVvw+Pk4dNgKYRBbhGyIOd OnT2UxiRV8guIiSscMv2q3MxVKOB5cjUbHzUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.50.74 with SMTP id vd10mr3115307icb.16.1301777692115; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.59.202 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org> References: <20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:54:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Chanters To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: am i back up....??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:22:27 -0000 On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline wrote: > > my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday. =A0 =A0letse= e if this > gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 21:43:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA10106567B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4728FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32LhEBT004421 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32LhEif004420 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:43:14 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110402214312.GA3848@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: Subject: remaining goal.. . X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:43:18 -0000 excuse the lowercase but my shoulder really is damaged beyond repair. --last tuesday my new modem =quit= and my even newer wheelchair motor [right wheel] =quit=. --i'll spare the details about getting a tech here because it would fill at least 5 pages. dunno when the shop will get me a loaner; at least 12 da for the new motor. [[the modem is from china; no idea about the motor. but you can guess my opinion of such manufacturers]] okay: last november i had trouble getting my dns to work upon reboot. the msg was only to stdout and mumbled something about how /etc/namedb/named.conf could not be found. i am using scripts i cobbled together to even be able to ping anyone. essentially kill -9 the old named pid; and another to run a new instantiation of named. i've got ==everything== on my ups. display, modem, three servers. so it will be months++ before i have to reboot. ---well unless the big-one hits seattle .... i just upgraded my 7.3 i386 last october. if i upgrade to 7.4 should this named fault go away. i pretty much do leave my server alone, but it is time get on the stick. i'm sure that i bragged about all the ways i've dived into saving energy. reducing my carbon footprint. my one remaining 1998 hp kayak that sucks 100+ watts/hour can be replaced by the dedicated processor and 1.0gig of memory. this "kit" draw 4watt/hour. i have zero knowledge about howto replace the kayak with this kit ... but since it is my last energy-saving goal, i'm willing to pay whatever it costs somebody in the metro seattle area to do it. i do have some kind of .xml file to upgrade the configuration. given that, i figure my computers should hum along until solid state drives are worth buying. 3, 5 years... i asked the seattle group of linux users if somebody could help me transfer pfsense from computer to this kit; they pointed out that pfsense was a bsd invention.... tia, for any help. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 22:35:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09522106566C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.chanters@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BDE8FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so6006546iyj.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=awvgke95jVV4ODHBHa3TSbavesb0YQZtS0g2NBjGNR4=; b=I/xlnDw62m6fKtsLW/I+DTgNMEsTIKDKtW1AIxHLi+eGKb4aMUt10ksLuP1DAPqgSh rzYMsPemgEv3V1+rIcqJu39/2T5GdkZT+jQ0Ynyu41+lo064frtkztcJ7L8K8o2SD0Gt ig0eyFEXKh/RxDxyINyxZjHi05moYTIG4BoDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=vfkeg0f7+d0J0mhwzvkYy8wMMEy65TXhzX+kn8zkCxmRhZjWWLXolXBHzVZUNPpdpX RNGzozV5ueXz/0ZuzaHwIleTWRuHJgq0ATEPyyp5sN8EvDDLoi5d2SniBmCC0Wmtl7SK sgT1/VipStyRXBKAfzeMM14oSmFd9T8bGY7Qw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.246.71 with SMTP id lx7mr2522137icb.351.1301783745056; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.59.202 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110402214312.GA3848@thought.org> References: <20110402214312.GA3848@thought.org> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:35:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Chanters To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: remaining goal.. . X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 22:35:46 -0000 On 2 April 2011 22:43, Gary Kline wrote: > i asked the seattle group of linux users if somebody could help me transfer > pfsense from computer to this kit; they pointed out that pfsense was a bsd > invention.... Given your heart-felt "woe is me" crap, I can't separate the wheat from the chaff, so what is your problem? David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 23:30:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63954106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14628FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32NUo6n004938; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32NUosA004937; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:30:50 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chris Rees Message-ID: <20110402233050.GB4792@thought.org> References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> <20110402130739.4253ea30@napoleon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: Mike Jeays , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:30:54 -0000 On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 06:30:15PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 April 2011 18:22, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 2 April 2011 18:07, Mike Jeays wrote: > >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0100 > >> Chris Rees wrote: > >> > >>> du -h . | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' | > >>> awk '{print($2" ["$1"]");}' | sed -e 's,[^-][^/]*/,--,g' -e 's,^,|,' > >> > >> > >> I confess to being impressed... > >> > > > > Yeah, but perhaps I should have used sed instead of the second awk; > > fewer processes: > > > > du -h | awk '{a[i++]=$0} END {for (j=i-1; j>=0;) print a[j--] }' | sed > > -e 's,^[^1-9]*\([^___CTRL-V+TAB______]*\)____CTRL-V+TAB_____*\(.*\)$,\2 > > \[\1\],;s,[^-][^/]*/,--,g;s,^,|,' > > > > That does exactly the same --  where I've put ____CTRL-V+TAB______ you > > have to type Ctrl-V, then a literal [::tab::] key; BSD sed doesn't do > > \t. > > > > Chris > > > > Final version: > > http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/graphical_du.sh > > Maybe I should port it... > > Chris PULeesese DO port that ..... [!!] gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 23:46:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86497106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF1C8FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32Nkhqv005050; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32NkhKK005049; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:46:43 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: David Chanters Message-ID: <20110402234643.GD4792@thought.org> References: <20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: am i back up....??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:46:49 -0000 On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 09:54:52PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: > On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday.    letsee if this > > gets out > > You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. > > David > well, mail to kline would get back.... i wasn't sure about mail to kline at thought.org, but i suppose that does go over the wire and back. tx. g -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 23:50:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D96F106566B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.chanters@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB398FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so5785511iwn.13 for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kv4SYWArfGCN5G0JrGshlNMd1qGUiWo3wMY67l28yhg=; b=xrnwbKFiJoImNnQ4cF/tiwvohy/QXukZIpTZ3JzUQO0fqMsaQpJm7Q3KXDjPPDv1/z SilS22Odv9pcHYr53+FmH/LPVpqcGpidiWGYPToRhMISr0ICm5m1hJYbRg9uZ+BFOoqI vpHyCkS9Nwgxga29++jejitVESchckIl8XAck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NfBbiZYBz9duBxnCkuI4eT3YEpHXvbihMd6ngG6l8z4idVd+3VzHZSRDtnu2VPlu5X mN7alpRNNKprOO36mcKHb7Ra9h9NWXtcC0sPUqace2Rkit8ZZ0jb3nVhXC4vnyBJ2CAf AyY3ItI50J0sIzJWONKBfXXbjrb47dCICG5Gs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.246.131 with SMTP id ly3mr7842966icb.418.1301788204034; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.59.202 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> References: <0DD2BF5C-7387-4AFA-BF43-B1683F3773E8@d3photography.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 00:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Chanters To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: graphical representation of `du` X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:50:06 -0000 Hi On 2 April 2011 15:20, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I found this command: > ls -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/ =A0= /' -e 's/-/|/' What about xdu? http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/xdu/ David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 23:56:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DC4106564A for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A099F8FC1B for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p32NussM005104; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p32Nus9P005103; Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:56:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: David Chanters Message-ID: <20110402235654.GE4792@thought.org> References: <20110402214312.GA3848@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: remaining goal.. . X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:56:59 -0000 On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 11:35:45PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: > On 2 April 2011 22:43, Gary Kline wrote: > > i asked the seattle group of linux users if somebody could help me transfer > > pfsense from computer to this kit; they pointed out that pfsense was a bsd > > invention.... > > Given your heart-felt "woe is me" crap, I can't separate the wheat > from the chaff, so what is your problem? > > David simply that i'm looking for somebody who know how to transfer pfsense from a standalone system to this kit. gary ps: i had a few kayaks; one was my server for over 5 years. it was faulting as i transfered stuff to my '09 dell. like to xtransfer the firewall before the disk melts. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide