From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 3 00:17:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB3F1065672 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B49A8FC14 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1171556fxm.43 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:17:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WysTt7o8KGnnZqwq62SzEnAJUVHEeXKD27eSefouunU=; b=c5uEZM/jhwHK+EnVODHjxmUCwPiXhUlT0ShVBQo0Z1q7bKPAV4gSi1KiWHxmoDMWMp gYB9IqcpxUd+muYL4zbl1Eb0Dy/+ZwdErTqK2WZjXxSXtDMIDOOQ/q0UCeI8FfbSgYcp WaNtCXlp0hOiFMUckgDSI1esc4S2UUKy0sgrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q+QD5kk2o4cHArBu4+o99LqgJyMzeG7WxlXij7HAkM603KexgfCiGepTpEfC5U8Hcy hBgNWBJvySSp5jl5J6Dj/CrBlJ6MS7ZsjqX+e3dhWOimh5n49dl1g7h3hiAiXGS/tYaL oK4WGxCCOk9d25Oo45OuVt05zIRten7XC271k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.2.200 with SMTP id 8mr3776992fak.60.1251935120136; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:45:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909021656.15747.nick@van-laarhoven.org> References: <200909010931.16880.nick@van-laarhoven.org> <1251841416.1689.4458.camel@balrog.2hip.net> <200909021656.15747.nick@van-laarhoven.org> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <2fd864e0909021645p735e22b8id7d41f4b5a0ee89e@mail.gmail.com> From: Astrodog To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Reducing noise in dmesg output X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:17:35 -0000 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Nick Hibma wrote: >> What is irrelevant is subjective... =A0I mean does the average user real= ly >> need to see anything in dmesg? =A0Please don't change agp_i810.c. =A0A >> verbose boot is incredibly noisy and rarely needed for debugging >> anything except the most deep rooted of issues. > > Please state arguments instead of this 'I think it is useful'. That's not > going to cut it. If you feel strongly about the info that is being produc= ed, > an option would be to produce a (tested!) patch that combines more > information on one line as a compromise. > > FreeBSD has historically been producing very limited output on dmesg. Lin= ux > is very noisy (ever noticed the copyright notices right in the middle of > your list of PCI devices?). Even they have decided that they should hide > this behind coloured 'ok/failed' texts in some distributions. > > FreeBSD has slowly been producing more and more output (most notably the = USB > subsystem up to 7.x) and I am intending to remove that clutter again, or = at > least compress it. > > Being swamped with information reduces its value rather than increase it. > > Nick I think this speaks more towards needing something between "Very Quiet" and "Give me everything every developer has ever wanted to know enough to include a print for it." --- Harrison