From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 14:35:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A581065670 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9D58FC18 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-20-192.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.20.192]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAE8279D0; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q51EZK77002404; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:35:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:35:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kaya Saman Message-Id: <20120601163520.f130cdcd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using freebsd ZFS for large storage servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:35:22 -0000 On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:05:57 +0100, Kaya Saman wrote: > It was my impression that ZFS doesn't actually format the disk as > stores data as raw information on the hard disk directly rather then > using an actual "file system" structure as such. In worst... in ultra-worst abysmal inexpected exceptional and unbelievable narrow cases, when you don't have or can't access a backup (which you should have even when using ZFS), and you _need_ to do some forensic analysis on disks, ZFS seems to be a worse solution than UFS. On ZFS, you never can predict where the data will go. Add several disks to the problem, a combination of striping and mirroring mechanisms, and you will see that things start to become complicated. I do _not_ want to try to claim a "ZFS inferiority due to missing backups", but there may be occassions where (except performance), low-level file system aspects of UFS might be superior to using ZFS. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...