From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 19:26:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C708937B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404F043FAF for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from user-0cev12u.cable.mindspring.com ([24.239.132.94] helo=bluerondo) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gcgL-0000XP-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:26:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 4250 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Feb 2003 03:26:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:26:30 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Mikhail Teterin , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legitimacy of core (Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object) Message-ID: <20030206032630.GA4203@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030205195726.00e5b5a0@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > >= Nor should the president be chosen by the Supreme Court. > > > >Better that than a lot of other possibilities. (Ivory Coast? > >Venezuella?) > > Or the current means of choosing -core (he says, trying to get > the conversation back on topic). So now it's back "on topic", let me point out the obvious once again: People don't have much choice in their citizenship. An American-born citizen didn't have a choice in that (yes, one can emigrate, but that's not such an easy option). So it is fair that citizens are given certain rights. That's the idea of democracy -- to give people control, however imperfect, over their destinies. Only someone as pompous as Brett would try to extend that idea to "members of the FreeBSD community". None of us are forced to be part of this community. We're here because we like it, but that doesn't mean we can make demands.(*) It has a system, and a structure, which is designed for efficient work, not for popularity. There's no reason to give users "rights". As core members have pointed out, user inputs are essential, non-committers can and do play important roles. There is a place for suggestions, and feature requests, and stuff like that. The key word is "requests". There's no room for demands and there should not be. - Rahul (*) Just because you like my stuff doesn't mean I owe you anything. -- Bob Dylan (from FreeBSD's fortune files) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message