From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 21:21:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F12E106564A; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271FB8FC0C; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4988805iwn.13 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:20:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint :x-openpgp-key-url; bh=AmhXcU/1FZLtP3KccW4S9+Izwfpm1t7BhJOYkxi2n50=; b=sChVdzNFwXjbULoVQummMz+G8VdXZO+EcfDMia5f3Ib5t0/gtuhMmFHd5kr/39DNQB vbqhSv19NV01YJenzWENN7g/F+OapCZs807qAsPOqH9/oP7sjrbCImuUSacz1fjNfy3k DPVTOXMsuMlYb8gbkPTn5MD/KXJylo7mlqNfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:x-openpgp-key-url; b=BTQY6DlwQAt1Uaz/SsmRlDPOPJz9HOQodBOjjZyfjM2tBt+6G64ta12KiaytGDRZIb RkVlzUPWxuZ3/cLsooIbzEU42bbaQ3d8IjqtLN08GqOWnLU8ecbZntBm7Mf5cvDlH2ID AVdzBxXrJXMahL1G4Xfq1whzWLboKoXIpcEts= Received: by 10.42.244.195 with SMTP id lr3mr5217699icb.283.1307913659033; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net ([99.181.139.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm4207412icv.20.2011.06.12.14.20.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5CLKrWs052108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhell@DataIX.net) Received: (from jhell@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5CLKrrM052107; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhell@DataIX.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:53 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20110612212053.GF15184@DataIX.net> References: <4DF3E98B.40108@FreeBSD.org> <20110612085649.GA11503@DataIX.net> <4DF49181.1000007@entel.upc.edu> <20110612185631.GA15184@DataIX.net> <20110612192440.GB37735@in-addr.com> <20110612194237.GD15184@DataIX.net> <4DF517B2.7000209@FreeBSD.org> <20110612204328.GE15184@DataIX.net> <4DF5272A.4050608@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DF5272A.4050608@FreeBSD.org> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E X-OpenPGP-Key-URL: http://bit.ly/0x89D8547E Cc: Gary Palmer , Gustau P?rez , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d script to load kernel modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhell@DataIX.net List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:21:00 -0000 --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:52:58PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 6/12/2011 1:43 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:46:58PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 6/12/2011 12:42 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > >> > >>> Yes I agree. I was just stating that simply for the previous post > >>> implying where ZFS was slower than UFS. > >> > >> No, it wasn't. You completely fail to understand the problem. Stop > >> writing, and start reading. As in, read the threads on both -arch and > >> the svn list, and this entire thread again, then wait an hour or two > >> before posting anything else. (Yes, I'm serious) > >> > > > > Yes, it, was. This was not to your post. This was to another fellows > > which don't recall his name ATM but would please be as kind as to > > discard the unuseful comments. I was agree'ing with Gary that its not a > > problem with ZFS/UFS or any mix or match of the two. Perhaps a pause in > > both of our replies would be duly needed. >=20 > Gustau's post said in part: >=20 > > For example, in my case, I'm booting from a zfs-only installation. > > Kldloading a ten or twelve modules in loader.conf takes a long time > > compared to a UFS-only installation. Moving them to a rc.d script would > > allow me to save a lot of time during the boot process. >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-June/025132.html >=20 { > zfs vs. ufs is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand, which is=20 > entirely related to the fact that loading modules from the boot loader=20 > is always going to be many many times slower than loading them from the= =20 > disk after the system is booted. Kevin was kind enough to elaborate,=20 > hopefully his explanation is better than mine, and will help you=20 > understand the problem better. } Yes this is what I was agreeing to in a sense which is what Gary stated. >=20 > Meanwhile, to address Gustau's original point, the modules related to=20 > getting zfs up and running would still have to be loaded in loader.conf.= =20 > My solution is only effective for those modules which are not related to= =20 > getting the local disks on line (which fortunately is the vast majority= =20 > of them). >=20 Yeah his message was around what I was thinking was wrong with loader or not neccesarily wrong but what it was limited to that was similiar to one of my previous messages stating contention, limitation, etc... --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://bit.ly/0x89D8547E iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN9S20AAoJEJBXh4mJ2FR+i7YH/iJsXw8xeFF29wwQtaCS2BwT hGEFxdIuV2EfTtR8gO1iYVw5OYhP6ku5Hbj3+GPTmG9bzDkaGVCRQxY1d10KOZnz oC+BBJCHjRLpJL6KSSPnNUg8leNMJO3lCr2kqNQxIftJ6zXQQS8pUubfmuvluNnQ sQaQbLYk367neSPUKYfyK21jrqd50N0NsNSm2msQKnSLP54kx7SCFOtATKKz8d8k ALhTqAWP9C9NL/FLJFBe1gAQ/GvOhbXpXMNZMYOOCxu+zDMDsYS8/UhvVgHmpDsw 3i0VLTO89Fq/Tc8WG4QhAw1lbKGtTC3e2hrq9B6wFmMUYPHoH8ND2bCwdAdh9lw= =T/wc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JSkcQAAxhB1h8DcT--