From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:06:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B2616A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFE13C45E; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MJ6mpx062096; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:35 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:45 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Ken Smith wrote: > > > > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > > > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > > > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > > > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > > > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD > > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of > > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy > > for users to do that. > > > > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea: Don't split the sources up anymore. I'm not sure there is a need to have just this part or that part. Just bundle it all together and ask the user if they want the sources. Perhaps this email is useless without a patch, which I could work on, but not this moment. -- Tom Rhodes