Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 07:27:22 -0600 From: Brandon helsley <brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> To: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>, Donald Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> Cc: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com>, freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Mininal skills Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB0104D4627130E40C6E19859FF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <20200604125403.cccd113957aea693a2364cb9@sohara.org> References: <20200604125403.cccd113957aea693a2364cb9@sohara.org> <CY4PR19MB0104A2C03F4D66A1DA251A23F9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CAEJNuHwUWB1EgtnhOYvEcBdH3Tip%2B5H8YyvViD9zZU70mHO-Xg@mail.gmail.com> <20200604103920.20ee2d27@archlinux> <CAEJNuHz4_OALKm%2BGPPvH0cTw58D6vpxfP4orkEZeWjsZye1FWA@mail.gmail.com> <eb6a0c9be7202228c69caeb7c5387d3305ad7b98.camel@rocketmail.com> <CAEC7390BPaVKA0Vme7imnZkRk454rRfnEPk1bVZtxDfbOdB%2BYw@mail.gmail.com> <20200604125403.cccd113957aea693a2364cb9@sohara.org>
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I see there is a section on upgrading ports in the porters handbook that slightly touches on diff and patching ports. I'm still confused though about how to find the bugs to make the patches and get the experience. Is that part of the process of debugging anywhere in the documentation? > > On Jun 4, 2020 at 6:43 AM, Donald Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > HA HA Bugs, bugs, bugs! YUP! On 6/4/20, Steve O'Hara-Smith sohara.org> wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 04:42:21 -0700 > Donald Wilde gmail.com> wrote: > >> ~64*365.25*3600 seconds > > Did you miss a factor of 24 in there or are you really two years > and eight months old ? > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith sohara.org> > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 13:49:27 2020 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA0F2F42B6 for <freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; 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I'm still confused though about how to find the bugs to make the patches and get the experience. Is that part of the process of debugging anywhere in the documentation? > > On Jun 4, 2020 at 6:43 AM, Donald Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > HA HA Bugs, bugs, bugs! YUP! On 6/4/20, Steve O'Hara-Smith sohara.org> wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 04:42:21 -0700 > Donald Wilde gmail.com> wrote: > >> ~64*365.25*3600 seconds > > Did you miss a factor of 24 in there or are you really two years > and eight months old ? > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith sohara.org> > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 14:04:43 2020 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020F92F4293 for <freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:04:43 -0000 > > > On 6/4/20, Brandon helsley <brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I see there is a section on upgrading ports in the porters handbook that > slightly touches on diff and patching ports. I'm still confused though about > how to find the bugs to make the patches and get the experience. Is that > part of the process of debugging anywhere in the documentation? > A gazillion books have been written about debugging, Brandon. It's what we call a 'cottage industry', supported by guys like you and I. The simplest answer is that if something doesn't work the way you expect it to, you investigate until you get to the bottom of 'why' and either change your expectations or embark on solving the problem. Or, until your stack of Other Important Things To Do(tm) takes precedence... A side note, please ensure that you don't change subject lines; this one has 'minimal' misspelled. Another note, it's important for those of us following the thread as it goes that you take care to put your most recent comments _after_ the part that you are responding to. Microsoft made Windows MUAs like Outlook default to adding new comment to the top, but that makes it virtually impossible to see who said what, when. That isn't critical for an informational chatting thread like this, but it is _crucial_ when doing real work like discussing ports and bugs. The practice is called 'top posting' and it drives our people in the FreeBSD community nuts for the above reasons. [snip] >> On Jun 4, 2020 at 6:43 AM, Donald Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> HA HA Bugs, bugs, bugs! YUP! On 6/4/20, Steve O'Hara-Smith sohara.org> >> wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 04:42:21 -0700 > Donald Wilde gmail.com> >> wrote: > >> ~64*365.25*3600 seconds > > Did you miss a factor of >> 24 in there or are you really two years > and eight months old ? > > I was getting too cute, one of my more laughable but common human failings! I was just debugging (there's that word again) a Ruby routine that deleted files older than a certain age and I had modified it so that I could delete files based on ages in seconds, hours, or days for testing so that my testing could be done with alacrity and not half a lifetime. Oops... -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************
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