From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 08:57:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84329258659 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic301-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic301-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48L1GL6cmNz4SRp for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: n8py0OkVM1lYOR2ib159JEf8jB.YZ5HtcvW3Jmy6Nd5oVHNa3BPrb9rz4LLCTmz etHilZMmY6fb05wIS1IegzyG4EkKKLuIn7qgYbjakOUJp0hWr5XYLGf6DIVVPzFV2rib3npwXvYz V7HpKfI9prQLRNg8I0iJpAcqTNyvpPUYh9P6Wr31vPbBArjNodnYI1wJB9sJdkhn6gt7HS_OoAy. pXFPzbMp1gpXmRQYOnIIFlijK4bll0tnhRp_H1TuEzEtKSHhOn6kLVpgdnSpPTRN8yOXn91qfBN0 M2Y8ubYurr99lEVHhpcl6ZbsuaseGl.7ywOoSSrAhDGePYfF2IsrzPr6cYOTwlJrUMzsjK167tWh AmNGrIfA_r9clYs.b78f6AGH2FqfLJv7QpgFPgceNK3ncC3dNthqeo6UFOX_9G1WaUHDjD_mAhBl cqi7x5vytJKtTvmusHa5JhkvMh5VplzWyZ3WNx9LVLNtNBDVwrPZKE0uj1bQcSCs58fqkX2bf3m2 hk2QVdX9NVLZgqkLplZW_KaWi.adzoq5.q.Rly0M1V7WbZnLVb8TbsLGdYtOHVCb8ksf8iHFpa1_ aYPhmvbdN0QmXsjrM.cqISoEzbxF_tOlaZKh126UZXDBKU0qxYusKpZ3eCDf2Ic3QYtVPErWY4u2 BSlMDTCkBrdJKCEquR8pMnpgj9tF7lEGERX3O0S.R54yqiR7A4smnT9sXR9CUJpPm3ar88e9y66G bEnXr1bQLkdD8Hw854aHjVENjbTIYjnum1z1kVcbuMU4NTRY9_Va4nVmmOPo_R7HBft60AS4g2LU 0UJ0eHD2Qi3Ikx3Ouii73_N.24GYj_hBideHNOOZJCeA6knWk5KoTXX0Y6u6SxK1uM6eO7zB6ShU ou6nWD6yxX6HOCxt5wUHy.tXnFJe4Vka58OQLOdUy7ngbhGzaOZk1YhqSzY_3uulQxdGzttSr9R6 pfO4IhqKQe0uf_aadibvEMc1_AGkolsP_dQFyhskLCXTIQxpn2KXKeBxLDh3AIoT07WD4sPIpKrs Lct5hYBRsdfEgoUXjdkQCb3y7f8ht_xt4weqUhZGS1CxqNAN9qh8GpIcstEZxgyQW2c8jrYH7wlz 78UfrLutYrQxI_YLserU2N0LAglPSH1S7HXz_JFbKrM_hKtQEH_khTy.q6Kd7syJ5JC0iTeEdc3m jv5KeigtmM0syDiNURWoGiiSFDyZdo1v3b_wE0OuRjdDvVa66I7P0Z.MbDPnrs7qfsA8tsn661Nw Msv06.zhFU8oluyN5gRflWgCIpfwTnEaPL8rt_Wf.OZ4Wwo1tBEKdHWYJRHJ.qp.htjDm.Ox6V2j WzzBmQDm1H6oFdXLwSFbG7DF6GE4Bx086A_nBgDKT9JVLyTxH8Kx6Dx8IeWYxu8dt9uiGAodONAY 9xsLvpxEzRh63v8fR1A-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:57:28 +0000 Received: by smtp430.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID adbbc2c7926b928fc1b8d21ea1b18cfc; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 09:57:25 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: terminology and history (was Re: Re updating BIOS) Message-ID: <20200216095725.2b3921e0@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <202002120724.01C7OcSW005991@sdf.org> <202002160656.01G6uBYm008146@sdf.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48L1GL6cmNz4SRp X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.57)[-0.569,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.09)[0.094,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.176.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (6.36), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.15), asn: 34010(1.70), country: GB(-0.07)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.176.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:57:32 -0000 On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:42:23 +0000, Ottavio freebsd-questions wrote: >1) Define "computer programmer" in 2010 and in the 70/80s. Back then, >computer programmers were an elite that programmed mostly in low level >languages. They were a tiny minority in any field of society and they >probably were also in the ham community, who, at the time, were mostly >ex-military or analogue RF engineers. Actually a friend of mine was a radio operator for the Bundeswehr in the 80th. I was an anarchist who neither opt in the Bundeswehr or even opt in alternative services. He and I were indeed low level (Assembly language) programmers. I tested a few higher programming languages that time, but never felt comfortable with higher languages. I can't comment on the 70th, but between the middle or ends of the 80th and the beginning or middle of the 90th, I was a computer programmer myself and soldering stations were not that seldom part of an averaged household. "minority" yes, but not that "tiny".