From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Nov 28 17:46:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A0CC5A728 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0679B1137 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from host-4-75.office.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4418F2DDD for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/4418F2DDD; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: really to pkg people To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <60b22ad3-6608-f381-bebf-c22d2b14dc20@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:46:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DUFFN6q6Itq2WSG1JTNRXEPGo6aIoiGwo" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:46:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DUFFN6q6Itq2WSG1JTNRXEPGo6aIoiGwo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="THXNnTmCwjdEh5tFE0fEa3l24GWRPhhqF"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <60b22ad3-6608-f381-bebf-c22d2b14dc20@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: really to pkg people References: In-Reply-To: --THXNnTmCwjdEh5tFE0fEa3l24GWRPhhqF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/11/28 17:21, Julian Elischer wrote: > It's most disconcerting when a quarterly collection of packages > disappears and one has nowhere to get new packages that match all the > ones out in the field. Since 10.3 is the latest 10 release and the > release_3 collection is gettign soemwhat dated, it would be nice to hav= e > a stable quarterly set to refer to that is not going to disappear in 3= > months! IIRC the original proposal was to keep each quarterly branch around for a year, but I believe that was infeasible due to the space requirements, and the extra workload of getting changes MFH'd to four different branches would be not be popular. > machines get shipped.. they go to customers. They are frozen in time.=20 > If debugging requires a new package, we have to have copied the entire > quarterly set "just in case". because the originals from freebsd have > done a runner. Are they archived somewhere? If your requirement is to have a frozen/slushy[*] package repo for more than 3 months at a time, have you considered running your own poudriere server? You probably only need to build a fairly small proportion of the available ports, and if you keep a static copy of the ports tree on hand to build from, you can easily add anything you need, built compatibly with all your existing packages. That's doable with a very ordinary server: no need for massive amounts of disk space or super-fast CPUs. If you arrange to build stuff over night, it can quite happily timeshare on a machine that is busy during the day. Cheers, Matthew [*] ie. security updates only. --THXNnTmCwjdEh5tFE0fEa3l24GWRPhhqF-- --DUFFN6q6Itq2WSG1JTNRXEPGo6aIoiGwo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYPG1nXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTncsEQALUj5/mo3erEbri6UJ8vCOJ1 +Lz43GMeohlOKPr2J5PZ994Y+piV/eRZtIttUtgwTBVkljHNnBWd25COLM2GeAvD OZE/vKH5m2qTajW8O9JZxsXyafJQsvMRoZxdiGb2+0hPnjHikhar/9OJVFAgjIdB RxWa7gdNgFCbC99Y/wzdi82DvqjF1uh5gaOccVdI8icbYYATIcCMkuFhkdiut+eb htpwT4dp+IreZFtFHkTmtSVn5LIPY+uOZfvt6ioE9a2YrMn5uJ2C3lluAOnCLCwn PQkX/faZy886BC1W5HhN/zQtthU2bx14QTkUex5eUrXQ7GBZ9z6/11ulyygaQP8O fpL3hMs49Zxx3BghgGq51kQPChCFit6gXBYE2CSX/EPxNoEfc14v9+gG72qaSP4m FjY1PGK9ZzFrIb1LvsVRY9BZ/3SNnfyveEjNhh2UiC9b4cFdl9abbQyXcBuESQVT UHs1kUHSdkSprwjXXbvg/HfR1+yVQu6NZpZmWFH77HgyPoWN7dqELK7t6F5fFWL6 q6wHmzWRmK9jLnZpabZHuQRcsJYohC3sbSRKE5xel6Pn+uuxChqTh5mxNC1ASREL H+bOduGx7Tp8cwpDysob8ft9tDeybZ3s32/HURwd3GE1TfxdnBrQqpcrlw4cYoex T+iA+WCRKb3EA0rpgc5i =p6dx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DUFFN6q6Itq2WSG1JTNRXEPGo6aIoiGwo--