Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:09:38 -0400 From: Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu> To: Dan Lukes <dan@obluda.cz> Cc: freebsd security <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>, security-officer@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon Message-ID: <p06240800c15328312263@[128.113.24.47]> In-Reply-To: <452D7351.6050804@obluda.cz> References: <451F6E8E.8020301@freebsd.org> <20061011102106.GY1594@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> <20061011151458.L97038@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <20061011083021.C2780@treehorn.dfmm.org> <p06230910c152cf2743ce@[128.113.24.47]> <452D7351.6050804@obluda.cz>
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At 12:42 AM +0200 10/12/06, Dan Lukes wrote: > As I'm not commiter, I'm allowed to submit PR and speak. >I'm trying both. This letter is "speak" part. Understood. But this has been announced for awhile. If the people who actually depend on 4.x can find the resources to support it, I am fine with them doing that work. I was running 4.x on a production server until just about six months ago. But now I am not. I do have a full-time job, and my "hobby" programming is going to go into the operating system I run on the hardware I own. It isn't going to go into *your* hardware that you want to see supported, for free, for as long as you can keep "voting" that SOMEONE ELSE must do a bunch of free work just for your peace-of-mind. Your 4.x system is not doing to die when we EOL 4.x. We're only saying that it is not going to see any additional work on it in the official FreeBSD repository. None of us are going to break into your house and smash your currently-running system. This is an open-source project. If it really is as easy to support 4.x with security fixes as you think it is, then "you" (all of you who depend on a 4.x system) should be able to do that work without help from "us" (the people running AMD64, ARM, PowerPC, Sparc64, or even just recent i386 hardware which is not supported by 4.x). That's it. The entire rest of your message is irrelevant to the issues here. I very soon will not own any hardware which can even boot up 4.x, so you can be sure that I will not be providing any support for your continued piece-of-mind. If I do not run a given operating system, then I can not claim to support it. That fact is not going to change simply because you vote on it. I don't want to sound unsympathetic here, because up until just six months ago I was also depending on security fixes for 4.x. But after having two of my personal PC's fried (due to a broken air-conditioner), I have now moved on. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu
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