From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 17 06:51:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA06004 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from jump.net (serv1-2.jump.net [204.238.120.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA05999 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from benjamin.adonai.com by jump.net (8.8.4/BERK-6.8.11) id IAA20104; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:51:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970117145154.006c95d0@jump.net> X-Sender: adonai@jump.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:51:54 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Lee Crites Subject: Re: Commerical applications (was: Development and validation tools...) Cc: "Brian J. McGovern" , hackers@freebsd.org, julian@whistle.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:38 16-01-97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >To be sure, one or more of us core team members will eventually have >books of our own in those bookstores as well as occasional magazine >articles in the UNIX press, and it's definitely necessary that we try >to set good examples for constructive evangelism, but still - we can >hardly have a PR stampede just by ourselves. :-) I've hit all of the local bookstores at least twice asking for FreeBSD books. Last time, one of the sales people said he'd heard 'others' asking for FreeBSD stuff, so just what is it. After a few minutes of discussion he was much more interested in helping me out. They still didn't have anything, but at least he's looking... I plan on writing a book on some advanced programming techniques. I have a rather nice ipc stuff (socket class, shared memory, and semaphores mostly) as well as some template based stuff, all of which are being redone with pthreads. It is my intention to complete the work on my FreeBSD box. All of the code will run, as it will be supplied, on FreeBSD as well as AIX. While it's not a FreeBSD book, it will mention it fairly often. I was actually toying with the idea of an appendix which had some cursory information on getting and installing FreeBSD -- mostly pointers to web pages and Lehey's book. >We need more user participation, more people out shaking the bushes >and organizing user group meetings. It's not hard! Hell, in most >cases you can just go speak at some existing local PC users group >meeting and get the 4 or 5 UNIX enthusiasts who are there to talk to >you after the meeting. Tada! You now have the nucleus for a local >UNIX user's group! :) I'm trying to start one in the Austin area. Actually, it's as much for selfish reasons as anything else -- I need the help. Once my isp is actually up and running, though, I'd be able to *give* help back. >"Oh sure," you say. "That's easy for you to do when you can play > Johnny Appleseed* with free promo CDs!" > >Not a problem. If you spot a good opportunity to get FreeBSD started >at a local campus or research center, just drop me an email with >address info, desired quantities and contact information (who the CDs >go to) and I'll do the rest - all you need to do is identify the >opportunity. Sure thing. I know some who might just be interested. I'll hit them up this week. One of my clients went with the *L* word the same week I ordered my cd's. They didn't even think there were multiple options. I'm working on them as well. I can't do much, but I can do something. On another, only quasi-related, point, I remember seeing a message about the lack of FreeBSD t-shirts. I replied to one of the 'core' types about how I knew a local (Austin, Texas) t-shirt company that might just be interested in making a new group FreeBSD genre of t-shirts. I didn't get anything else back on that. While I am sure there will be a ton of legaleese to wade through (which is about 3,000 pounds more than really needed), it might be nice to check it out. If I do it or someone else does (or continues to do) it, it doesn't matter. I'm not thinking of making money on this (I would just pass it on at cost). But if *I* had some nice FreeBSD t-shirts, I'd wear them to work. Also, I try to give out t-shirts at Christmas to all of my people (workers and clients). It might be cute to have the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo right there under the Computer Mavericks one. *Whoever* does the t-shirts would get *my* order every November. Anyway, I've rambled on enough. Thanks for the offer (above)... Lee