From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 22:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427F316A507 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serge@quenix1.dyndns.org) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF7643D46 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from serge@quenix1.dyndns.org) Received: from quenix2.dyndns.org ([66.131.244.21]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IZ2005YQM9XUSB0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quenix1 ([192.168.0.11] helo=quenix1.dyndns.org) by quenix2.dyndns.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Fdx7F-000MPE-HP for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:25:09 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=quenix1.dyndns.org) by quenix1.dyndns.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Fdx7F-0001Rh-AV for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:25:09 -0400 X-URL: http://quenix2.dyndns.org:8080/ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:25:09 -0400 From: serge.gagnon@b2b2c.ca (Serge Gagnon) In-reply-to: Sender: serge@quenix1.dyndns.org To: ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <0IZ2005YRM9XUSB0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE i386 X-Location: Quebec, Qc Canada lat 46deg 49'12" lon -71deg 13'48" X-Image-URL: http://quenix2.dyndns.org:8080/images/s.gagnon-48x48.gif X-Face-URL: http://quenix2.dyndns.org:8080/images/s.gagnon-48x48.gif References: <20060508205703.GA11215@daemons.gr> <200605082120.k48LKxSi006193@peedub.jennejohn.org> <20060508213035.GA73976@daemons.gr> <0IYY001DYWNE9C51@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> <0IZ200IJZE7Z6JC0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Comments: In-reply-to martinko message dated "Wed, 10 May 2006 23:58:05 +0200." Cc: Subject: Re: ports structure and improvement suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Serge Gagnon List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:11 -0000 >>>>> On Wed, 10 May 2006, "martinko" == martinko wrote: martinko> Serge Gagnon wrote: martinko> not speaking of metaports. and, as already said, portupgrade martinko> doesn't handle this very well. also editing makefile in martinko> conditional way is not good. +> That's an other (old and used) subject, but my little experience teach +> me that: +> 1: the lesser amount of depency you have, the better your system work. +> 2: if your system work in this state, don't uppgrade your ports unless +> you need this or that new feature or if that there is a security issue. +> 3: don't use xxxxxxxxxxx to upgrade your ports. martinko> it's about convenience, you know. if you want, for instance, to martinko> run gnome, you likely don't want to install all those parts (at martinko> least applications) separately. this is where metaport comes in martinko> useful. Sorry, i forgot to cut this parts of your message "not speaking of metaports.". martinko> also, it's not so easy to not upgrade continually your packages. I don't think. If they work, just don't touch them. martinko> one day portaudit will say one of your packages is vulnerable. martinko> and you'd like to upgrade it. but since there are dependencies martinko> and you haven't been following the ports tree for quite some martinko> time, you'll find out you need to update half of your packages. martinko> and doing this after long period of not upgrading is likely martinko> to bring more problems and all at the same time. and mind you martinko> there's no security branch like with the base system. therefore martinko> from my experience it's better to keep your applications martinko> (sanely) up to date. To be VERY honest, I think that I got just one time that kind of problem. I mean trying to upgrade a port a fall into one or more problem because the rest of the installed port were not up to date. But, as I said previously, the lesser amount of depency you have... I think that, to run big machine like gnome or kde, is a choice that you have to assume. martinko> i'm not sure what xxxxxx is. It is a tool to upgrade ports that I don't want to name here because I don't want to start (another) flamewar about this tool. -- GAGNON serge PGP KEY-ID: 0xBBC1478F PGP Fingerprint: B48B 4633 28F5 28F6 7A62 5650 69C8 E293 BBC1 478F PPG Key: http://quenix2.dyndns.org:7777 | telnet quenix2.dyndns.org 7777 Cvsdadm: Tool for CVSd pserver user administration http://quenix2.dyndns.org:8080/Unix-soft/cvsdadm.html