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Date:      Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
From:      "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM>
To:        gary@palmer.demon.co.uk
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: mail outages.
Message-ID:  <Pine.3.89.9508232143.H1164-0100000@kryten.atinc.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9508232039.F1164-0100000@kryten.atinc.com>

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> Hi there
> 
> Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I'm seeing e-mail
> replies in mailing lists when I don't remember seeing the origional
> e-mail. I've done some digging, and according to my local mail logs I
> was never offered the e-mail (it was from John Dyson, message ID
> <199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>). I've dug through the
> mail log on freefall, and have come up with a blank. Either
> bulk_mailer never resent the mail to me, or I have overlooked
> something obvious.
> 
> Anyone else seen this? Am I experiencing memory loss or e-mail loss?

	i have just checked the maillogs on freefall.  the message in 
questions is:

Aug 20 18:48:39 freefall sendmail[1536]: SAA01536: from=dyson, size=1095, 
class=0, pri=91095, nrcpts=3, 
msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, relay=dyson@localhost

	this went out, or was spooled for delivery,  to "everyone" within 
minutes.  but remember bulk_mailer reorders the mailing list everytime it 
sends out mail.  if someone is added or removed from the list, you may 
moved from one bulk_mailer'ed message to another.  you may get stuck 
behind several slow sites or even sites that time out.  this is one of 
the costs of the mail delivery speed up that bulk_mailer has given us.

	as a result of the reordering, you may get replies before you the 
see the questions!!  

	more log data below, if you really want it ;)

Jonathan M. Bresler  jmb@kryten.atinc.com       | Analysis & Technology, Inc.  
FreeBSD Postmaster   jmb@FreeBSD.Org            | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy
play go.                                        | Arlington, VA 22202
ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life      | 703-418-2800 x346

Aug 20 18:48:41 freefall sendmail[1545]: SAA01545: from=hackers-owner, 
size=1398, class=-60, pri=199398, nrcpts=3, 
msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, relay=majordom@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:44 freefall sendmail[1558]: SAA01558: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=679558, 
nrcpts=19, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:46 freefall sendmail[1561]: SAA01561: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=709558, 
nrcpts=20, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:48 freefall sendmail[1567]: SAA01566: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=996, class=-60, pri=828996, nrcpts=24, 
msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, 
relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:49 freefall sendmail[1569]: SAA01569: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=799558, 
nrcpts=23, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:50 freefall sendmail[1571]: SAA01571: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=769558, 
nrcpts=22, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:48:52 freefall sendmail[1573]: SAA01573: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=769558, 
nrcpts=22, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 18:50:14 freefall sendmail[1575]: SAA01575: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers>, size=1558, class=-60, pri=739558, 
nrcpts=21, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost
Aug 20 20:09:25 freefall sendmail[7804]: UAA07804: 
from=<owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, size=2168, class=-60, 
pri=140168, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, 
proto=SMTP, relay=ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]

so it came in as SAA01536
and went out as SAA01545 locally
and went out to the net as	SAA01558 SAA01561 SAA01566 SAA01569 SAA01571 
				SAA01573 SAA01575 UAA07804

SAA01558 had problems ;(

Aug 20 18:50:15 freefall sendmail[1548]: SAA01545: 
to="|/home/majordomo-1.92/bulk_mailer -m owner-freebsd-hackers 
/home/mail/lists/freebsd-hackers", delay=00:01:34, mailer=prog, 
stat=unknown mailer error 1
Aug 20 18:50:15 freefall sendmail[1548]: SAA01545: SAA01548: return to 
sender: unknown mailer error 1

SAA01561 went without problems as did SAA01566, SAA01569, SAA01571, SAA01573,
SAA01575, UAA07804  aside from the usual, no route to host, etc....




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