From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon May 17 04:43:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1383263BCEE for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 04:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from p-impout002.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout002aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fk63C1cSNz4VpF for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 04:43:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.177.163]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id iV6WlIRPymSYAiV6WlgUWq; Mon, 17 May 2021 04:43:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=NIEQR22g c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=60a1f480 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:117 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=4kGpDYL6H_UMXsk1s9EA:9 a=3NGQ8umSB5wA:10 Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 04:44:04 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 37/38 conflict, was Re: Trubles compiling lxqt on RPi4 References: <515FCC01-19A2-463C-8416-85D0BF0B4845.ref@yahoo.com> <515FCC01-19A2-463C-8416-85D0BF0B4845@yahoo.com> <20210514013518.GA46967@www.zefox.net> <18651bb2-4093-af83-da8f-d57553fffc9d@FreeBSD.org> <20210514163514.GA52420@www.zefox.net> <802898bf-fb68-f648-b893-1bebb02d9c16@FreeBSD.org> <20210517021927.GA66198@www.zefox.net> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfMBkdZQfYq3NF9TNIoyz46mq3iqnBkVkow4lmGss1WeTEwpjfQsqlhzLbQCznmtUj2+DnLsGx55cZI170UI/4oe5W6mm+b6kD79CjppbaCDu/RPZH9PX paiVDjENPtfTyDwoeiWUcxSXyVj9ZzTxsiRrnwsm7yi4sccxJ5Aez9VsootKOIQJrLWKzCmkBgY7Mw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fk63C1cSNz4VpF X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 47.43.26.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[47.43.26.133:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[47.43.26.133:from:127.0.2.255]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.71)[-0.706]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[96.28.177.163:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 04:43:52 -0000 > No real favorites. In emergencies I tend to pick up the telephone. > This doesn't seem like an emergency, and in any case the phone is a poor > medium for a problem like this. There are some ports under /usr/ports/irc, > if you have suggestions I could try one or more. If a phone call is useful, > my number is 530 753 2005, California PDT. The answering machine screens > calls, I pick up if I recognize the caller's message. I can return calls > anywhere in the lower 48. > It's important to remember that even if the comms delay is zero my comprehension > delay is much greater than zero. Sometimes infinite. That's apt to either bore or > frustrate experts. > Mark Millard is trying to give me an inkling of how poudriere works. It's a stunningly > complex process, apparently approximating individual virtual hosts compiling each port. > I'd like to see the ports system keep working as it has in the past, but that seemingly > requires a kind of machine intelligence that hasn't evolved yet. Poudriere seems like > a brute force approach. Persuading ports (and porters) to cooperate is more efficient > if it's possible. > Thanks for reading, and any thoughts you might have! > bob prohaska I've been thinking about what to use to build FreeBSD ports, if I go ahead and build FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE or -current: portmaster, poudriere (I am reluctant), synth (seems to have fallen out of favor), or NetBSD pkgsrc. I don't like the dialog4ports, and much prefer the way NetBSD pkgsrc or Gentoo Linux portage keep the options in /etc/mk.conf or /etc/make.conf . I haven't updated FreeBSD since May 2019 because of troubles with network connectivity in releng-12 and 13 (May 2019), though that may possibly be better now. My question, Bob, is, if you are dissatisfied with poudriere, what do you use for FreeBSD ports? Tom