From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 20:27:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1052DCD47 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tvzd4HwKz4cCh for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id z18so16639470lji.12 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=DMRU9UAr1kFl6nW7UiHNld6PzJKFt0WTa73Q9PUR/OY=; b=QjFbAgyrChopoV23y2+Uj7+yAwIusiAnkrNULYJNclERppXT35D4OtePOGBUy/r1YB K+vjSzqWFWPtO9f1i33GV22oviLvNQJbnHaA5VTKSYD1aD9pWgJN8B51UybbroGAXCIz LwuVlQyPcR0e8hMY2aCDBavmBZcVmgVsQG7LK9uOQ+Tyle2eYhnW5lkdz+FEjcpHv2tV rq6hVRCytepC6xfhqM3GczfaY1UxcONonuYoPA0kQwLM+pQlR//sqWV2TvmJFCmL2pe/ pDEN1dS6Krr7VaTgAAaGeMfiokUHomAOeppTVz8NODBnNyjbsuCW2Z2PSaNV2uy3ApXa Y6rw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DMRU9UAr1kFl6nW7UiHNld6PzJKFt0WTa73Q9PUR/OY=; b=RXCNKWEnAsij7WrDFVQYoCKKhtnk6Rjoo0x+6B3D8C8LfI6C+GgbHd1dWBrnco+c9Q sIuCpGxQGLJgewMCR3WTef9KZr4iL6IqQfk2T+OBFdiT1zIvcItRAgC4t6Ty9Kibn2ew 7SbnHswANMiLrqcDEwK9x7WcfcOfAJyspqvPBqrdPEEfK/oymdwJIbocMksRKVU+eR8B 1QRdFwt3teH+bmWq5WRR6CXlKMDxdAnFd23iJicl3fCHUurf8G04sv6A3G/jxeQEzL2A 8DSfht2/CgENc/PQ/+YB6iUfGEfjKB/1SsyxNGBsGiFwxJiNEYNCUBwbfwN1AnMPjVrI cRBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531O4CsAa2LZBWLH8nzyDTSi/1expcBhPQ82tIjjzb6zjLoicMQe zjEREONLpOBIXiLwyhHXoeHaOk2sSYJ32UcReOw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyIyW4FxSC3FxPRkxJzmqp3l6F6JNLHQJ0fEfFz8I5D+laG/rWVzIKX/pObutIvxI0JNw1nthIiDdp1UHXxgeo= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7007:: with SMTP id l7mr4082103ljc.74.1590265643581; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tvzd4HwKz4cCh X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QjFbAgyr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.838]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:26 -0000 Mine (the laptop) is not quite 2007 vintage, although my Dell i7 tower is. :) IIRC it's about 2012 or so. Still going fine although it's just a HDD-based mule. Upgrading it now to 12-STABLE. I am using it as a "refresher" on FreeBSD; I was paid by Bob Bruce 1998 to 2000 to do "advocacy" for FreeBSD. I orchestrated the 3-way press conference between the FreeBSD and NetBSD projects and Apple at the release of DARWIN... time does pass... I have a relative who's asked me to make a specialized social network for his business, and I've decided to return to using FreeBSD. Not all hosting corps will support FreeBSD servers, but since I intend to purchase and support everything through the business, that isn't an issue. I'll buy Intel's fancy Optane caching boards when I buy servers for the project, and every "drive" will be SS except for a portable boot drive. On 5/23/20, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-05-22 21:43, Donald Wilde wrote: >> Service tag 5K8W162 >> >> I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once >> the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead >> of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and >> ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. >> >> Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? >> Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of >> plastic? >> >> The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the >> machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). >> >> Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. > > > > On 2020-05-22 22:20, Clay Daniels wrote: > > I would second all of David's suggestions, but would like to also > recommend > > using GParted to clear & write a new partition table, be it MBR or GPT. > > GParted lets you take control of the drive. It's Gnome Partition Editor > & > > free: > > > > https://gparted.org/ > > > > On 2020-05-22 23:03, Manish Jain wrote: > > I think we are using a nuclear missile to kill a mosquito ! > > > > The FreeBSD installer can do everything needed by itself. > > > > 1) Boot from the FreeBSD CD/DVD > > > > 2) Choose Install > > > > 3) At the disk setup page, choose Manual > > > > 4) Remove all existing partitions. When done that, press 'd' again (for > > delete) with ada0 selected. That will delete the partition table itself. > > > > 5) Press 'c' (for create) to create a new MBR (DOS) partition table. > > > > 6) Create partitions as needed and install. > > > > That should be it. > > > > On 2020-05-23 02:01, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > > [Zeroing the disk] is exactly what I found when going from Linux to > FreeBSD. Just run > > dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your > > installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. > > > > On 2020-05-23 08:06, Donald Wilde wrote: > > The MBR boot after wiping the disk was successful. YAY, Beasties! TYVM > > for all the advice. :D > > > > Taking your thought to heart, D'Arcy, I'm going to try again with GPT > > now that Linux is gone, gone, gone! :D > > > I'm glad the BIOS/ MBR install worked. :-) > > > That looks like a decent daily driver laptop, especially if you maxed > out the RAM and installed a good SSD: > > > https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-aUlCTHJhMTkzWUs5S1dMQjN2WGdIdz090/overview > > > My 2007 Inspiron E1505 gave me many years of service (with repairs and > upgrades). It still works. > > > I zero my USB flash drives before burning them with an installer image > out of sheer OCD, but it should not be required. (I wrote a Perl script > to only write zeros to dirty blocks, to conserve write cycles.) > > > Most every x86 computer made in the last 30 years will have a USB port. > Many newer computers, especially portable computers, do not have optical > drives. > > > It is easy to make changes to an installer on a USB flash drive, and you > don't have to burn a disc for every edit-compile-test cycle. I hacked > my FreeBSD USB installer to slice and partition system disks the way I > like them. > > > I have boogered installs many ways, including the hostname, FQDN, > network name, and/or network settings. The FreeBSD installer offers you > a root shell into the installed image near the end. If you know what > file(s) to edit, you can fix those mistakes. Alternatively, some > installers let you re-run specific steps. TIMTOWDI. > > > I image my system disks regularly. Zero-filling them before an install > saves image storage space. Partition editors within installers > typically do not zero-fill. (I need to figure out how to zero unused > blocks beneath GELI and ZFS prior to imaging; does anyone know how?) > > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************