From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 10:49:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3F416A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F643D5C for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:49:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iAUAnVFP032438; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:49:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041130002603.692153b7.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <1101748454.41ab58e61eb88@imp2-q.free.fr> <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr> <20041130002603.692153b7.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:24:40 +0100 To: Chris Pressey From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:49:38 -0000 At 12:26 AM -0800 2004-11-30, Chris Pressey wrote: > But what then is FreeBSD? The same .sig calls it "the most powerful." Yup. > And what does that mean? See below. > Highest performance? Most stable? Easiest to > use? Most featureful? Fewest bugs? Yes. > Most accessible? What do you mean "accessible"? And by whom? Do you mean handicapped-friendly? Do you mean moron-resistant? > Most conformant > to standards? Which standards? > Plays nicest with other OSes? What do you mean by "nicest"? Which other OSes? > Largest package system? That's a side-effect, not a direct goal. > Does anyone know? I would think that the term "power" would be pretty obvious. OpenBSD may be the more "secure", and NetBSD may be the most "Portable", but these are not things that FreeBSD is going to tend to focus on. FreeBSD will have the best/most scalable SMP. FreeBSD will handle ultra-large memory systems in the best/most scalable way. FreeBSD will handle large disk farm systems best. FreeBSD will have the most scalable network system. User-friendliess, especially moron resistance, is one area that FreeBSD will not tend to focus on. So, if you don't like hacking on Forth, your options of limiting the beastie boot menu may be limited. FreeBSD will be portable to some other platforms, but not as many as NetBSD. FreeBSD will have a reasonable level of security, but won't try to take it to the extremes that OpenBSD does. There are plenty of other areas where FreeBSD may not be the best platform to choose, if that's the sort of thing you want to do. But if you want power, speed, scalability, and robustness, you know where to go. > Only core is in a position to say officially, I suppose. All I can say > is that until they do, I think FreeBSD will continue to flounder. I'm sorry, I just don't see the source of confusion. I don't see the floundering. I see lots of good work going on, with the occasional bikeshed -- including topics such as "what is FreeBSD"? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info.