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Date:      Tue, 2 Oct 2001 02:56:17 -0700
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Keith Spencer" <bsd2000au@yahoo.com.au>, "fbsd" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Is Fbsd a good printer server????
Message-ID:  <008501c14b28$7a95d7a0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011002054817.35730.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com>

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Keith Spencer
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:48 PM
>To: fbsd
>Subject: Is Fbsd a good printer server????
>
>
>Hi all,
>My school has issues in its win2k network with
>printing.
>We can't easily or cost effectively track user/printer
>info.

Your not alone.

>Would like to allocate a budget per student and
>if they go over charge them because they print waaaaay
>toooo much. Sending us broke!

Um - why cannot you simply charge every student a fixed fee that
is an average of the printing costs?  That's the way that it was
done at all the schools that I ever attended.

It gave me some peace of mind as a student because I then knew
that the $75 per term per class that I paid for "lab fees" wasn't
entirely going to the grad student's end-of-term beer keggers.

>I am thinking of building a freebsd print server that
>can do this stuff...
>a) manage/own multiple HP jetdirect printers
>to which 4050n and 2050n printers are attched
>b) handle some kind of login or whatever from the
>winNT/2k workstations to do print job accounting
>c) mangae the stats of the printer acconting?
>
>Is this pie in the sky?

For the most part yes.

>FreeBSD is very good at many things but is this too
>much to ask?
>Would I need samba to do a lot of this stuff.
>If so can I use the domain controller usersnames
>logged into the workstations etc etc. Complicated?
>I am HOPING FreeBSD can help me. The librarian is
>going gray with the printer/budget issues.

If you want to experiment, you can play with the PPR printing
utility.  It's located at ftp://ppr-dist.trincoll.edu/pub/ppr/
and claims to do accounting.  I won't go into details as to
how it does it but suffice it to say it's non-trivial.

You will have to compile it yourself.  I did once a long time
ago and worked out all the patches to get it to build - but
then after I got it built the thing didn't work, so I lost
interest.  I'm sure that someone somewhere would like it if
somebody put it into the Ports section.

But IMHO you need to go back to your powers-that-be and tell them
it's flat-out impossible to accurately account for printing costs.
I can guarentee that they aren't going to find anyone out there
that will be able to get any printer accounting running that is
worth a damn without a pile of money, and if they do then the
students are just going to find ways around it.  For example printing
with other people's logins (like the librarians) is a favorite one.

In the long run everyone will be happier
if you just charge them all one lump sum that covers the costs.
If the students don't like it then tell them that they can go to
another school which is going to do the same thing to them.  We all
have costs from various institutions like governments and such
that charge us fees for things we don't use, that's part of life.
Despite the conservatives that seem to want to pay no taxes and
instead make every last thing have a fee attached to it, many times
the costs of collecting the fees in itty bitty bits like this is
worse than just wacking it off the top across the board.  This is
one of those situations.


Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com



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