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A few days ago I was directed to make a test call before a large meeting so I temporarily installed Teams on my Android handset. Discovered that there's no test facility on Android. An issue with Microsoft documentation. 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Graham, could you supply me, preferable off-list, a complete report on what you did, Android and associated program versions, and whatever else you have available? I am working with the beta test team for 'Edge Dev', and they love getting reports like this. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l24sm6443710qtp.8.2020.05.10.06.33.44 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 May 2020 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49KlQH44QCz1ctw for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:33:34 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200510093334.00007a66@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200509231440.38c849d6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> <20200509063222.94d762e9751a32c693d73d2f@sohara.org> <20200509062517.00002c46@seibercom.net> <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> <20200509135024.d3ace507.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509085553.00006a3a@seibercom.net> <20200509173218.7c1bec97.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509125203.000036a2@seibercom.net> <20200509231440.38c849d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49KlQM1Kf8z4Cr0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=IKQrSOjr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::831 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.00)[ip: (-9.19), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 13:33:48 -0000 --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 9 May 2020 23:14:40 +0200, Polytropon commented: >> It boils down, at least for me, this philosophy. >>=20 >> There are three solutions to every problem: >>=20 >> 1) Accept it >> 2) Change it >> 3) Leave it =20 > >You are missing two very important alternatives: > > 4) Ignore it > > 5) Delegate it > >Those two cases can even be combined: Let someone else solve >the problem, while you tell everyone how easy it was. It is >a common method of "goal-oriented users" who do not want to >deal with the problems they're encountering. I think this does >not fit within one of the three options you mentioned... It could be argued that before you can 'ignore' something, you first must accept its existence. I think that #5 would more logically be a subcategory under #2, but I have far better things to do today than argue semantics. In any case, I was just listing the major categories. You could probably create a dozen or more subcategories. We have an HR department that manages to take the simplest question and answer it with what seems like a Seminar on "Quantum Physics and Quantum Information". The only appreciable difference is that I actually have a concept of what they were discussing at the seminar. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl64Aq4ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQA9ggArzr1THgkPRTA7CtSFS+/Rx1l80aoAAZO+alhY6UhBD9PY7xsZzYmYX+C xMwAwPklPKZi+NxqBJHiX05cIp8+KcQvYqZr06FcmlHgj3izwGXFA4dRamxj4Kqn X9XMymP4jZMVRS3lD0FuvwlOX5ABI5d6kHLtZyAZMy/dlydNoBsEKAln3W5Bw2b1 V2KiysRWTeVvR0qFJL7wRL4rx8R1/at/LOFzkQvrI+/cmJRmmjRVjhfFe1cEVFDG dK8FQ3/X3dv1GV596pcxMyt34VMGdyRL1KbuKZ42SDG9F3CDgIXuu9HnpkEw56qB Ot5wxiBrG+AUrSpkKgCgMFqUoxxP7Q== =Fd0O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 10 15:15:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544582EA565 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Kngs503Qz4Jp9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=34cSiFrBt3uZ93NUtClyx/2QsLxm0Nlg0xSJD0wY4Yc=; b=Jkgvoyf0G0XAKjHHjij6CC7uyg MdPNrX9ZcOEVM/4zyjaNPQCcD0N0czIaWsmSdjCW5bUNNS+n0n2VgAaa74ceubW6Drh4ccY2RB+h4 JemTCWv+CNY3uB1ORsQHY7/f4W6gZIC8WxgtK2LwWdaD4ZixLose/7RQj/0SYIKzggOo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jXnfu-000FDH-3Q; Sun, 10 May 2020 22:15:30 +0700 Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:15:30 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Brother HL-L2340D printer and lpd? Message-ID: <20200510151530.GA58188@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200503171259.GA48627@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200505161952.GA34844@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200505185510.00b622e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200505180101.GA35751@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200505180101.GA35751@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Kngs503Qz4Jp9 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Jkgvoyf0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.20)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.12), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:40 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > and address that printer from Firefox's print dialog, >=20 > Oh! I wish I knew how to add something to Firefox's print dialog!=20 > Do you? There is a PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D231110 about Firefox missing "Print to LPR". 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[79.66.147.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c16sm13099816wrv.62.2020.05.10.10.04.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 May 2020 10:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Microsoft Teams: test calling: Android To: Jerry References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200510054010.000075e7@seibercom.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <4c712f21-3a5a-fe62-55d3-315dd6b48abc@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:04:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200510054010.000075e7@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Kr572Shdz4Q2V X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:04:11 -0000 On 10/05/2020 10:40, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2020 07:10:13 +0100, Graham Perrin commented: >> On 07/05/2020 23:28, Maciej Suszko wrote: >> >>> … On Windows there is an option to make a Test Call within the >> Settings menu - I haven't seen that on "spoofed" browser yet. … >> >> This is not a browser-specific problem. >> >> A few days ago I was directed to make a test call before a large >> meeting so I temporarily installed Teams on my Android handset. >> Discovered that there's no test facility on Android. >> >> An issue with Microsoft documentation. > Graham, could you supply me, preferable off-list, a complete report on > what you did, Android and associated program versions, and whatever > else you have available? > > I am working with the beta test team for 'Edge Dev', and they love > getting reports like this. > > Thanks! Brief enough to be shared with the list: * Android 6.0.1 on OnePlus 2 hardware * Teams version unknown, I uninstalled after the meeting. My mistake: not an issue with Microsoft documentation, makes clear that commands are only available in the desktop or web app. The lack of clarity is in local documentation, , I'll make or request an enhancement. If I reinstall, I'll be in touch. 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It was working fine not that long ago. Now all communicators have the same problem (I use Google Hangouts, Google Meet, and open-source JITSI). I can see my camera preview, microphone bar jumps while talking, but my audio-video is not seen on the other side, also no audio-video comes to my machine. Also screen sharing does not work. On Chromium camera started working recently (thank you!) but I have microphone problem it only seems to support OSS that does not work. On Firefox I use PulseAudio that works fine and have much more control than OSS. Also the sound is glitchy and disappears, not really usable at all. Did anyone observe such problems with recent Firefox? Is it Firefox problem or the port problem? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 10 18:12:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AB72EE9AF for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ksc12YrGz4TK3 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id u16so16531141wmc.5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8pJWKRjM7jve82E/pb/bd4e3o53lGBK6alPEXQ1x/Po=; b=CtYUJ8kKk5rr5ewxlGTaq1WJJT3Q3rFDAowdiOotrVI1p2P70vNPPbzud0Ignj7z39 P7p9HxIQt4V+FGAW9y8SriEdpmCf0gWvXhsx7YoFF+AZ8kDbaeUHscN9I1zk82Jg3C8X B2i7aWMg6YtARqn3zZo7s1HZP/z1OahVf9QZ3rojaEOrIg87F0d9Febuo0drnENJShD/ IW31WAY6a/D80K9UC+x0q3ms6hmRy8kIv3f/0XxUK7C6iMjJl53wTs1kai0TURJkJmwf FILEE0XQQZtZ/FIPVqg6QTUcD1gNwxfMHA5omNiaeOnHN+LEgK/2FGnucLE+82DYl9Iq fs/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8pJWKRjM7jve82E/pb/bd4e3o53lGBK6alPEXQ1x/Po=; b=e4BA2Hg6XNW/n87sI5Yd5wi1RqNIwC1oHHk0X7iIS69N0nSLXpZ0HU1LtGLwxGnaL3 8QyoGZ0Y6nfjBWwzJtJPM3QOCdZCAnYIxMheoJjNln7NeenqNiKgtn6/o2JJAvSlgMWK wMuusbtXfNBOhTxmmMqAz9mPW2BZeSMeQpLuMmGhyDotHxms/lZPQ4tyzXNoLJlSxyH9 1M5QMfPfWWyxfn81L/SvRy0wO0IAAXP6MP7vvpyi1niueADJeKUqM/tCTdSEGG4FWDjr vNGglz1lEJBvcslYwFRWLyFcaX2ofwDOtPQAsitGIgPtLnuLGSpkciJtE+eu6+oPl5nx kDvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZWiHIC+T0XvTYWs/kFt1ZNl3orl21WZjssu2miwkLwvErUGI/q fql/7tYeOtGSlmDh7cp3HuTpNEM4SqMPeAIUPzRT/TctFS0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJEg4IJlQPotsVKGvLSNJ3tvCrKh2xIypW+tWMhj8OlKQKJw3PuV2kcK5QVa4eA77zgvh+TCeYcAuOlyVhwvuU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2293:: with SMTP id 19mr19129385wmf.121.1589134351546; Sun, 10 May 2020 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:12:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Ksc12YrGz4TK3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=CtYUJ8kK; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.38)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.29), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:34 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 7:20 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I lost the videoconferencing in new Firefox 76.0. It was working fine > not that long ago. Now all communicators have the same problem (I use > Google Hangouts, Google Meet, and open-source JITSI). I can confirm this is the Firefox 76.0 problem. I have downgraded to firefox-75.0_2,1.txz (+icu-66.1,1.txz dependency) and videoconferencing works fine. The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ Will report a bug of the port and to the mozilla. 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Smart move Firefox :\ > > Will report a bug of the port and to the mozilla. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636781 If anyone could test and confirm that would be much appreciated :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:25:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A2D2E1519 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49LMBQ25d9z4YRv for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B983210276A for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ncE1z0tM9kgz for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4425F102769 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom Message-Id: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:26 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMBQ25d9z4YRv X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.32)[-0.316,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.684,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.91), asn: 24940(-1.47), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:35 -0000 I=E2=80=99m seeing these error messages in syslog: (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 96 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for = this track) (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 97 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for = this track) (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back I was dd=E2=80=99ing a whole CD to a file while the panic happened. This = happened twice after another. The MB is an ASRock939A790GMH. Possibly the CDROM drive , a CREATIVE 52x = is the culprit. DMA is =E2=80=9EAuto=E2=80=9C in the BIOS and the device = can do DMA, not Ultra DMA.=20 Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help = analyzing something. kernel core dump? =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:30:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E355F2E1887 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LMJG0vKnz4Ygx for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id u11so9634540iow.4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:30:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g707V01nP8yUvIV7KDRwCDjqWeTDOPoMOmFWOLysBcQ=; b=LttNMNQXAjquuqzUNZC2FDrxit40NBf7TLAYZj8FQgjLID1OhpzSRUeMlMUqNsIiGB +eEwasWIPlGRMVSjQEvWkceBb+1ZYqGHvZR0ClInU672QjVuLxhd/daxvUplEz2cM+Kj Wz0mmCQXEunXkgS5rDPs90VINk0ZhZC46x29zLH0PvrI0L4k+nXKS81OXmfcjz5XZ/8r +WYcuuM3pQYCDeCxUlDglA/Bko/+ekg2MfrLKx0SDflSW/HtkDFaOZDALeFJMTG/83gO JtLTNimcFvRefTD+y8MCGUuVMFlHlWWgZGYjTxVKg++nlChpHnsZodtZbUFYnWr/YI6y gJSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=g707V01nP8yUvIV7KDRwCDjqWeTDOPoMOmFWOLysBcQ=; b=q6DZv3kwTxBxp0IriRTSZY0Mfs39kDPwhAc+QG+Mg1CHPXUyqPmNNcgu4j/w26nDAu aUcIL/82uS4QgAeOxXgKUenttQ7hip5kYubKVTjoqzWx0EJ9Z7QQy/9H1VJi8MIVe2H6 sjeoLUJY4qjI/w8XUPEvT1WKL3IdPLyNvoFoQD/DtmRbqp3XZ4lmfYavoL4gXSuC6kL7 JRcR+H1HkFg8ugX0pZkMHC65mqbFOiv5qlp30O/AjMqyJC8hppZwXG2EoMUnBdFMnwaw 2vFVAl9NFtAuKpicxeT4cxBixEhz9TmvicHCx1BlKOSmYOus2MN6UCI7HAeZjfU23Uuq sjBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaNVQf+FrT8DX1cMejxRq0329SQYBFooEKHgBHz1hIsWsPN0f0d vHL7NKGE0GdC04FGo40KAMRPqHlNI0f+MSQz9FgHR4Kavj0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI0VNwNnTgUvh1XDeAB7Xijr3yy2vaRLjwwzv16+Z0QN3gWo0hbAr7QZXIp2DxGM03ADWa23Kqf0QYrXJbP9VQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3f47:: with SMTP id c7mr15678531jaf.126.1589203836201; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> From: Michael Schuster Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMJG0vKnz4Ygx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LttNMNQX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.67), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:25 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I=E2=80=99m seeing these error messages in syslog: > > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 96 00 00 01 00 > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for > this track) > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 97 00 00 01 00 > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for > this track) > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back > > [...] > > Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help > analyzing something. kernel core dump? > speaking naively, I wouldn't expect a failed SCSI command to cause a crash dump. Do you have a stack trace? (no, I can't debug a crash dump, but perhaps someone who can is more willing to if there's more information ;-). regards Michael --=20 Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:38:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399B42E1FB4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LMTV1zYdz4ZRC for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id i15so10980208wrx.10 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EMFyH520ZnE3IxOEAW3XiEra0Pd3kJoIZ7kJLnPZ3cg=; b=bkdLjHW0Up1ALuaJPNZ3pgS2qqf0psDAtfjB248C98YGvoN1/LIg7P8Txy48yvBXTw VhjZX/oh/1pEIER7g121N+QOz35LfZJpzfb9/Zud9lugPP6Jr+TMNfZdI+RSgG/qLoPo gULP0tl+cDsxr4jX1m3IFH1xbaoV1G6PZMcNy/P4uJRa9qqGDgX/tirTWHN5FoAsefxX Wc8wmswYPSNa1ZLRkCueAvbvGx3wywsAiq5FQSxByrpU450WvgsnsM2vq0UzJvEZD6/1 5YM9rDGx8DWU7XFo/SsJyYDYbNb2lJmn2CbS0kcSpf1sbUSr2+VT2aieRbO1zJsP/MjR GIGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EMFyH520ZnE3IxOEAW3XiEra0Pd3kJoIZ7kJLnPZ3cg=; b=N1F2HiLPYlgSbgl9pB81u6hh6v0DVD8d+sxW09T0sbi5E59xGGAG+u9nKMIym5tYLh vYu+hO/z5PnudQy5irew2ziMZ+FPprJV4Yy7U2ge4K4tgR2BVKSurGT0AnDMjn6NTDzJ KhNe2FSe/ENfnFAk99aj3TfWJRWgGxlMzqd5uE/gwBIwSsYtwYweKUYMWW6m3oXUZUKt n/u5d7EqGIH7rmR5V3tzhPPPrtIXfGR46ns22UtNQlGV3wmOw78k2enWUXMQJIrX4Y3C 7jRMIwYFRps/uosO1qPyQrQMUrMBndGVQGLrIbU2bG0J3KN1VaDdG6PLzcdUHXP8GIC+ VPcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaEBwUHtu/A9dM7WmieymBhOEiaOZG0ZAw05o6LglOr0IuWNxC/ 0cG79a7qicbAeaPKjGnFvSGOboiR3US16qpHZCRb+kZq X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLE4CSRjUtc1AdVN3/Jjje7td8cGFfji6aFSqW3ujSgq/GE4qp6NXy0TcwNS2qkIftqbRCRuudKSghXh7En0MM= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fe89:: with SMTP id l9mr18952993wrr.400.1589204315393; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:38:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMTV1zYdz4ZRC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=bkdLjHW0; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::431) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.35)[ip: (-9.01), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:39 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:25 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help analyzing something. kernel core dump? You can now buy a Blu-Ray recorder for around $100 that will allow you not only to record CD (0.7GB), DVD (4GB), but also BD (20GB) and BD-DL (50GB) disks with the same utilities such as mkisofs, cdrecord, or growisofs :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 17:37:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDBB2E643C for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com (mail-qk1-x743.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LSmq3814z3KZQ for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id f13so10044941qkh.2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 10:37:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KUk8lzYZisT3MuQArnbIhDrjZItywz9/5xJmWvr4R6Y=; b=cPmsqh0g+klAfhvVSdQxouHSro/xYUNCB2O/NhpI8kYzLzYJjIOHXIOWQQAuU0a2GV QVJkSJFcWhau6/syiL7/dJ0dxz3a8lEeEhvdXMEBIsXvBPtSN2czhmVxjlET5PN+XEJ8 zxlrmHSFPa+lbQf99eLrKMffyukfHJcDjyIn4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KUk8lzYZisT3MuQArnbIhDrjZItywz9/5xJmWvr4R6Y=; b=NpjWIWUcsSVVaC6w/3etkOsGJkVxuWETokgg+Brk/z7eFDuyKs8QFep+f7L5hcJjHj mZETRx6LgAcYdX/7vldghcRXUfwJZX+1F+/d5LGYyTmeV4YEpJMtt49QWyepS0cWtdI/ 49UiCIwA3xi9FTCu9bZZnrxp5FlSyBPdQON4nkpbvX1dF42lN63hMoq3p63Bfmx22bE0 kSFTpQdgNBgkmjTNq8gvt9UQyuo4Ds3CdjeofibX3BMuqdG/Avr7KAW2v+PNxXNu+69/ cqo18agAOGUHYaDiDi8Kzx3k6UDpCyjBjyAevE4mfacme7ZCtOdJOszshF1/wUk7zpSH VglQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Puaie3AHqfI0ikrKUzn4Rd67AEJ5dUVQFZds+WdW1i/hylYYbBrm SSbXlHyB2SzdqmvZFS8Oj0lZ2VqXkGo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKmAQKPU1B19/ku5HdnK6pnLFkqjO747lIsa7MP5pXZCpRzUdGbojyKBTwrosWwmqzdV0479A== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7ca2:: with SMTP id z2mr17637253qtv.122.1589218261395; Mon, 11 May 2020 10:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. 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VMware Publishes Workarounds for Vulnerabilities in vRealize Operations Manager https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity/2020/05/11/vmware-publishes-workarounds-vulnerabilities-vrealize-operations From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:02:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11932E6DDB for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LTKg1852z3M75 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-13-073.iol.local ([10.101.8.83]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YCknjhFhMGT4iYCknjKHSw; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:02:13 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=w+zvPzfS58/fxdOpREFJIQ==:117 a=EF5jcSN46E4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=DMpmhHusJZ0A:10 a=H8Q-Uy4CYzPI0bSkxIsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:02:13 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.52.223.97 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: 81fEHP3Qut+hJnswK813KydnPouxRPt7Rnnb7gDuc4E= x-libjamv: cKlAUMlBXVU= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLrxqoePuTiES0Czpcncv9k0ZdRGvj4DzIoErtGzTEuNdIk6xwuShS06iQ1+mr+DGlJKuJbWyGTSt3qPi5wXoqQsS/QMK4O2BKUW+d6Q2/mAtBaVjaUW KO8QokjRrB+qPRlnNb9Igi52Q/KOMDMSeLnFrLV5u2e1obR+3aFrASWmwwvWCpqkUUgt6qhJdrb5D7UmRlkvB0UE+lyasJkE7Vg= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LTKg1852z3M75 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.67), asn: 8660(-2.94), country: IT(0.03)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:16 -0000 Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk, right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. nvd0 GPT layout: nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partition nvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partition nvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partition nvd0p4 512KB freebsd-boot nvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /) nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill) nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /var nvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as well nvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr .... nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. Thanks for your help and advice. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:38:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8313F2E79BF for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LV7s66WKz3NvV for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6A2228FB for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MFgN_ihgwxDE for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4626228F0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 Subject: Samba on FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LV7s66WKz3NvV X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.94), asn: 12021(-3.95), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:50 -0000 Is anyone on this list successfully running a multi DC active directory domain solely using samba on FreeBSD zfs? If so then how do you replicate sysvol and user roaming profiles? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:43:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5A12E7C84 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVFW43Zmz3PH1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DA522907; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n24VOPRZXKPA; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB38B228FC; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Tomasz CEDRO" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LVFW43Zmz3PH1 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.94), asn: 12021(-3.95), country: CA(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2020 14:12, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already > migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or > videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ > Run Firefox from the command line with -P. You may find that your previous version profile has been copied to another with some odd looking name. I have run across this in the past. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:02:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192B52E83C4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVgV1n28z3Qv7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id v12so12309564wrp.12 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rAuFKWlijmprUC6WnehDyr99++zRItdmHmZF9xUOE58=; b=Fv23vSDG01xpHouUtQk1yHhdIu9UJY07Z84MinVRweQZ/pfK9HUqGrHTUJ2/dPmZ3z xb0yMLG4ts7u6TURB0ahozxXW8CwxmQsjp6XIazRBkUEHdg/ZiThNXowIaoTqaOtGhwN 1rmXx9eVn5nf3RNlGtUZM15SW+NR/ebNxEMK4ZR+MyupGFyMT7BZ68JGwtgaCWnT583j PRHgKOQC6DfUyKrIW6foocvsfrUwWdrumXegKTMVy4LT1fatq894x7mC80iN/wrKU5gL jpIf+oqY4mO6EBzFi/924XcyJIYVlC1kXJ2FM0qCX4M/aS+5KNXLtUE7iuPMtLsqOZbX Sw2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rAuFKWlijmprUC6WnehDyr99++zRItdmHmZF9xUOE58=; b=ClGdlCVf695huIbJVYhQ5W6LIKSampD+deI4fI+9z7fDDXO6kmChjGejJNPa6yv7Od cpdlID2nx8FGGNWhlsF4VgNa/nMR8aKKCGyKmqSj34omG6xfviYtUba9IFjVehJiHgwO CmyyXgfPVVeeM1WY38MPgViv0W0Up2NBtkpXdGwjlbwAUCaZgcs2zpTrhpCjfGezyiaE 6vUj8x/Npoa3tOq1eTC3FTbtW1rVbbeU8sL4GwDVywjTd1o69TAebCo6BfqxKPgd5Cg0 zE0Ujj9uh7z+qglBELrAUc5L71cyWGSVFBMrAALLjQ1ihbeXBYI0/x2RUiSBCSfRLUEQ JADw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaGDc2yrq+VlD8Le3N2PpENI2NmKnsWFAVC7uCF+ZvinfRLFqRM Kr87Walp9fw2bMb+zBiVbnkL2pyc5WDKNuUMvH4nS6EB X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIoLw1/PkhhabpT2gYM/brbmXEapO3/JmHUMc43NzWBdiEHlWm2cLpq5BMMJHR95oqCox326Z4TGmtHOXvtlZU= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5388:: with SMTP id d8mr13144922wrv.242.1589223764463; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LVgV1n28z3Qv7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Fv23vSDG; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::434) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.42)[ip: (-9.36), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:48 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:43 PM James B. Byrne wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2020 14:12, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already > > migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or > > videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ > > Run Firefox from the command line with -P. You may find that your previous > version profile has been copied to another with some odd looking name. I have > run across this in the past. Thank you James! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:07:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575C2E8669 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from forward400o.mail.yandex.net (forward400o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVnL6cM2z3RJf for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from mxback3q.mail.yandex.net (mxback3q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:39:0:640:4545:437c]) by forward400o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BB0FC14C0F8F for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback3q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id irfLyH6csi-7lUGNueP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.kz; s=mail; t=1589224067; bh=typ8cA2jhrjwSLQUZ8TKEKS4tP5Hl9P6Y1gzUWuKGuM=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=f4/ebjwtz0ffMq95GA3nDgSSZuib2OoN9OQ6/AmUMFA0njI4KI5JIm/1JoC58dBVW 2vpRbQkC/wDcGJfe1qK6YEDjtyKDljJFZLn8W1qqZL2mJ4hju8mQYl+stlxhmhHF94 bIUgShzdEq0CkUMcXkCwukWA1p/sgzL+OOKPAZxw= Received: by vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 From: Nikita Stepanov Envelope-From: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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PS. Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being filtered. Thank you! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: Polytropon Cc: Nikita Stepanov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:11:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LXCT2c9Rz42P9 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.22), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.41), asn: 16686(1.21), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.495,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.50)[0.502,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:12:06 -0000 On 2020-05-11 21:28, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 01:07:47 +0600, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> [nothing, again] > > The easiest way probably is to use the program mdf2iso to convert > the image to a standard ISO-9660 filesystem, and then mount that > filesystem, using a virtual node. > > # pkg install mdf2iso > # mdf2iso example.mdf example.iso > # mdconfig -a -u 100 -t vnode -f example.iso > # mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt > ... use /mnt ... > # umount /mnt > # mdconfig -d -u 100 > > Replace "example" with the correct filename; you can omit the > mdconfig parameter -u 100 and just use what mdconfig tells you. But if you don't omit it, you should presumably use /dev/md100 and not /dev/md0 in the mount command... > PS. > > Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. > Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being > filtered. Thank you! +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 20:30:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC82EABB1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "GoGetSSL RSA DV CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LXdB1731z456N for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=POybYL0E3Ep+M8hJIoXtGVrc5ncpEgt9RWA7JJ8Spv6GZ268X8ghmCZa2uMAhFrZF+ bH/Udol49ouxD7VWS8SyxGbv3l2c5XK5LW2HPnmLNvkm3yupxPlHlrjUqLsU6PSR3qaD WnwMFaM3b/HGaZzK+NgMAwAJpXO4SCzLQeXeM8q1esA/svsTn9rEcYFJ4KPhQ4mfYrK/ bCKOqj5edQtZV2tDGVqBnJWXOWmdntnPFOyX8fjHUokIZ/C5HyZe3Dk6OTrbkjLIR6mF +rrJblBbWLAi2H9gzMHH784leBuS2mQU8MHA5KD97NzfLRnq2IKlxAKwRywI3/cV26RE BWlQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1589229047; x=1589833847; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=ygUX0e5bX2s YHX8ywBhG1GJUeyCCNZh7i7RwDNBe+ZM=; b=poJ+FweRAU/7iFWYSfj0xqzSaP0 +e7erVHmn0bZzzAp4ObelxjWrTR0qTeUq9re/vwxxvU2MUzO8HzCckdT/WjxzhBx scYdSooa2Usiel7dxsW9Io+sHw8Cta9+K9A9HrOcN3qqqYIDC8W3x5vuVA9NV7Xi YbNwD9rPpm1AaVBA6d3fWWt7RKDqEL0dFOJxS/9azWsfxRFZqInj9PJf2pFPHeDU f05eDgVkq3iMbz6fV2LKsUXUfVVPpfd7bntrMWE+AKVbJyY0O+F4LaL1OvoadFYd rnW4prKBDmA0S1Q6aCheVVXLs3LYzHR6j0PdjVJoicUIANMbXfzFKYcmM7g== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:b8f9:359e:84da:90e9] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 2141915; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikita Stepanov References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:30:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060307000501010802020803" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LXdB1731z456N X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=radel.com header.s=20170108.radel header.b=poJ+FweR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=radel.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@radel.com designates 70.184.242.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@radel.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[radel.com:s=20170108.radel]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.831,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:70.184.242.160/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[radel.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[radel.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[radel.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.41)[asn: 22773(2.11), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.184.240.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:55 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060307000501010802020803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >> PS. >> >> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >> filtered. Thank you! > +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped down to nothing. 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Virtualbox freebsd guest supports 3d 2d acceleration? 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511153150.00002a15@seibercom.net> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <53596614-95ef-4891-388d-6f2abbc9bfd5@fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:26:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200511153150.00002a15@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYsZ0L9pz4D86 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:42 -0000 Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 01:07:47 +0600, Nikita Stepanov commented: > > Might I suggest that you write a complete description of what you are > attempting to accomplish, along with your FreeBSD version number and > any other pertinent information, in the body of your email. I strongly suspect the OP is in write-only mode as shown by their posts on forums and in bugzilla (this list as well). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:26:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCCE2ED437 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49LYsn35Czz4D9s for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a239:1a16:b4cf:c36d:843a:90c5] (unknown [172.58.140.98]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14CCB4E677 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:26:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:26:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYsn35Czz4D9s X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.140.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.322,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.38)[-0.378,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[ip: (0.40), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.20), asn: 160(0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:54 -0000 On 5/11/20 3:30 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >>> PS. >>> >>> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >>> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >>> filtered. Thank you! >> +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). > > Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I > believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in > cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped > down to nothing. > > Nikita's headers claim > > X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 > > about which I know nothing useful. > I remember first time (decades ago!) when I subscribed for technical mail list, I read very carefully mail list etiquette. I didn't find exactly the same document, but this one covers some of it: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette It sounds like OP never cared to read one of these, and doesn't care to listen to what he was told multiple times. I can't keep from mentioning: there is one item I partly disagree with the above document on: trimming. I actually have seen several times "creative trimming", which pretty much inverted what person whose text was partly trimmed actually said. The Etiquette document I've read contained variety of suggestions that are not in the document I mentioned above, which make really valid points. Just few of them: 1. do your own home work before asking question, you may not need bother busy people and will learn to find solution yourself which in itself is gratifying 2. When asking question, be concise, yet describe what you tried that didn't solve it (incidentally attempting to describe what you have done often enlightens you on other possibilities). By describing what you have done you demonstrate that you tried to do something, not just want someone else do what you need done. 3. Do not send bogus answers, like: "OK, will try". Just hold yourself, try, and then report success or failure. ... [last but one - my favorite failure, actually] Before sending message, take short break, switch to doing different thing, then re-read your message with fresh eyes, edit and send. [last]. Once problem was solved, take time to summarize what the problem was and how it was solved (and maybe what was tried that didn't work). Send summary, maybe by prepending subject with SOLVED. Note, experts (my way of calling people who help me, because they are!) spent time helping you, help them to avoid wasting time again on the same problem by briefly describing the solution that others will be able to find (you owe experts at least that, and now you started helping others!) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:27:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89E82ED5C0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LYtl5dGJz4DKT for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66076C0A8A; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqxvDN28RIlJ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 443B3C0942; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04BLRa0W058257 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 May 2020 23:27:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: Jon Radel References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikita Stepanov From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <3bd15b2b-fe1b-7973-8180-42c321174e7f@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:27:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYtl5dGJz4DKT X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.22), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.41), asn: 16686(1.20), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.490,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.46)[0.461,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:44 -0000 On 2020-05-11 22:30, Jon Radel wrote: > On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >> [Polytropon wrote - attribution snipped] >>> PS. >>> >>> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >>> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >>> filtered. Thank you! >> +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). > > Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I > believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in > cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped > down to nothing. That is entirely possible (I think it was hinted at in less precise terms in an earlier thread) - but presumably (s)he isn't *forced* to use such a "MUA", and if (s)he actually reads the replies to hir messages, it should be pretty obvious by now that the body of hir messages (if any) never reaches the list, which could reasonably be taken as a hint to try some other means of communication.... > Nikita's headers claim > > X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 > > about which I know nothing useful. Also (first Received: header of the initial message in this thread): Received: by vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 Probably some kind of web interface rather than an actual MUA. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:44:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4852EDF2E for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LZG619pbz4Frr for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.224.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1My2lr-1jBFYK0qGl-00zXDa; Mon, 11 May 2020 23:44:27 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:44:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Per Hedeland Cc: Nikita Stepanov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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Ah yes, that is of course correct; if no memory disk is in use yet, /dev/md0 will be the first unit you get, otherwise you can always specify a custom unit. You could even use the following, leveraging the fact that mdconfig will print the partial device name of the unit automatically assigned - you just need the /dev/ prefix to get the full path: # mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/`mdconfig -a -t vnode -f example.iso` /mnt Still, you'd need to find out _which_ unit you've been using so you can use mdconfig -d with the correct number. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 22:17:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ABF2EEAF4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lb0c6xqsz4HmD for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61509C4B46; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqH8ti_k-8WY; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B715DC43DD; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04BMHmPC058384 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 00:17:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop To: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:17:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lb0c6xqsz4HmD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.190,0]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.40), asn: 16686(1.20), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.72)[-0.716,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[libero.it]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:54 -0000 On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote: > Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk, right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in an unbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from an earlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFI partition, but I may be wrong about that)... > nvd0 GPT layout: > nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partition > nvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partition > nvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partition > nvd0p4 512KB freebsd-boot > nvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /) > nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill) > nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /var > nvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as well > nvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr > .... > nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be able to dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in the uefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow" mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efi from the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI (case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi). 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:44:17 -0000 I have a Intel Core i5-3320M processor with integrated graphics, FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE, GENERIC Kernel. 1) Had a fresh install of FreeBSD, tried using built-in i915kms driver present in /boot/kernel. Used kld_list in /etc/rc.conf to load the driver. Screen blanked out after a few lines during boot (presumably right after the point the driver was loaded, until then I was getting lots of boot messages as usual). 2) Installed drm-legacy-kmod, and used the driver file that it provided, i.e., /boot/modules/i915kms.ko. Same result as before. 3) Installed xorg-minimal. Executed startx command. Blank screen. Had to reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp was suggested in some forums to return to tty, but didn't work). 4) Installed xorg. Installed xf86-video-intel. startx worked perfectly. Read the Xorg.0.log in /var/log/, seems intel driver was loaded and was used without any problems. 5) Tried to do a `kldload i915kms` in xterm, it said it had already been loaded into the kernel. This meant that xorg could load and use i915kms, but I possibly could only load it but not "use" it to view my tty. 6) Couldn't view other ttys using Ctrl-Alt-XX shortcut. When I tried to do so, the screen stayed the same but the windows in the window manager went out of focus. 7) I guessed that I did enter another terminal, but simply couldn't see the prompts. So I mentally assumed there was a login prompt and went ahead. I typed out my login stuff and pressed enter. Then I assumed there was a prompt infront of me and entered a command to start another xorg session. Note: Till now, I am still looking at the TWM xterm windows that are out of focus, not at a text console. 8) I execute startx infront of this mental virtual console. Voila. Another xorg session is started at ttyv10 (the original was at ttyv9), indicating that the terminal was there, but it simply wasn't visible and that I could switch to them by using Ctrl-Alt-XX. What's happening? Why can't I use i915kms to view my tty? Why is xorg able to use it? PS: When the screen goes blank while loading i915kms, I think its simple not able to display the tty's contents. So if I do my "mental" trick there and continue as if everything was there, will it work? I am going to try it now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 06:41:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86152E416B for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lp9T5Qq1z3JPM for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04C6fAA1012039 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 08:41:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Samba on FreeBSD To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <646c0749-d067-b0ea-1997-01b14f8cd811@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:41:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lp9T5Qq1z3JPM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.93)[ip: (-8.97), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-4.48), asn: 30722(3.79), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:18 -0000 On 2020-05-11 20:38, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Is anyone on this list successfully running a multi DC active directory domain Yes. > solely using samba on FreeBSD zfs? Ugh, no then... one DC is on ZFS, the other on UFS (probably becoming ZFS in the future, but with no time plan). > If so then how do you replicate sysvol Cron + rsync. > and user roaming profiles? I don't. They are on one separate fileserver. bye av. 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RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[115.22.41.203.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.43)[ip: (-9.77), ipnet: 203.40.0.0/13(-4.45), asn: 1221(-2.92), country: AU(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:03:10 -0000 Hi Ede, Something like this might help, where you construct: /import/src /import/ports then on as needed basis, you can mount_nullfs /import/src /usr/src mount_nullfs /import/ports /usr/ports I have something like this when I'm using one source (for src and ports) on a virtual disk under virtualbox (on Win) across multiple VM's. This also means I don't have to fiddle with variables. Cheers. On 9/05/2020 5:04 am, Ede Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > As the title implies, I would like to move everything src/build related > from /usr to a different folder, let's call it /import. And since it > won't be mounted permanently, I'd rather like not to use links. That would certainly work, but it's ugly. > > So I am looking for a more clean way of archiving this, but currently I am having trouble to find a > comprehensive list of the variables, that would need to be set, and more over, where the proper place woulf be, to do so. > More often than not it is not /etc/make.conf > > For MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX it is src-env.conf, but what about the others? > > SRCDIR, PORTSDIR, WRKDIRPREFIX, DISTFILES, WRKSRC? Is that list correct and/or complete? > > Is there any documentation providing a decent overview of the > environment (base as well as ports)? Or maybe anyone is running this > kind of setup as well? > > Thanks for helping out > > Ede > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 07:06:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9603F2E4A5D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-18-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lpk62zJRz3KVZ for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-31-134.iol.local ([10.101.8.180]) by smtp-18.iol.local with ESMTPA id YOzLjulgp74wTYOzLj6AYG; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:06:03 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=N5ZX6F1B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=QA8ACeNzLsNFfyXXxgATbw==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=_yevK9wwAAAA:8 a=mIexhTlqXgXqUyGwP1sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=QCj3g80VS2wd9d6ItcEr:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:06:03 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Per Hedeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: fH+90ut1bWDnhR54U9KnxT36I3V9nmTHCuCHherMBkg= x-libjamv: IWy7zE7Io2M= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOwj6eyR4iwN1NI0+IYe1D2dZoEML7+PlCnTZyAI3lOR8L1Zue90NoLuprejJgEhTJWfxNmCWK+Os9WL4+g2I/Xa4xQDi+8Zv94wbfCn07nwV1JuWg2H HGNiq7rP+WhaiyGB9Tbg8HZzmm3azBirpkA3UDqdSqHyU4Rz1EeJOvvn7sUD4PsQqzX7yfIh5jj8Il2jsszHY0A3ERWIkq1Jz1GLxkSstYYi+Lgh8Hf158ZC X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lpk62zJRz3KVZ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.73), asn: 8660(-2.98), country: IT(0.03)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[18.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[18.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:08 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: > > On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. > I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... > > nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. > It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. > --Per Hedeland Good night, I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 07:27:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECC92E5073 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LqBV0PqLz3LS8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04C7R1jB080456 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1589268421; bh=5fsj81hXAUgxxEAimLKMXAbPLdFB9jsGjPrX0n9WCws=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=KKuukTbzBeoRxRDE2BXZ+LI7Pl04sE8Itu9bMmgRNktzVOVccj7Kg/8YlZBMVMcBM teO25F2Aum9cx1CbWVKyOjv4Szif0ThWCPlSNHwBRoElXUoOF8b1syvZv7OmXgGft2 +klOcaiqom15ZLiO5qkhz8tSbNOiEIeJDzDUeVk0VELoO4qNnrKkHozg1yuLyibKlO jqpeinVAsvWs7h3p82S6NRe3l2Mx+KLjidjUDfHgdCpqTLwvQxJAbBJkELJz4R/Q05 h5fmMrh98Oe7w7zCEIUCyfOfxDnZCa9D8bCTkOjWCxkb5wRyN8DTdqooZUrieN7Zw2 ++Eh++rXUAbnQ== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 04C7R16t080453; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Vishal Subramanyam cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LqBV0PqLz3LS8 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=KKuukTbz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.10)[ip: (-8.39), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.35), asn: 224(-0.74), country: NO(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:15 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 00:43+0530, Vishal Subramanyam wrote: > I have a Intel Core i5-3320M processor with integrated graphics, FreeBSD > 12.1-RELEASE, GENERIC Kernel. > 1) Had a fresh install of FreeBSD, tried using built-in i915kms driver present > in /boot/kernel. Used kld_list in /etc/rc.conf to load the driver. Screen > blanked out after a few lines during boot (presumably right after the point > the driver was loaded, until then I was getting lots of boot messages as > usual). > 2) Installed drm-legacy-kmod, and used the driver file that it provided, i.e., > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko. Same result as before. > 3) Installed xorg-minimal. Executed startx command. Blank screen. Had to > reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp was suggested in some forums to return to tty, but > didn't work). > 4) Installed xorg. Installed xf86-video-intel. startx worked perfectly. Read > the Xorg.0.log in /var/log/, seems intel driver was loaded and was used > without any problems. > 5) Tried to do a `kldload i915kms` in xterm, it said it had already been > loaded into the kernel. This meant that xorg could load and use i915kms, but I > possibly could only load it but not "use" it to view my tty. > 6) Couldn't view other ttys using Ctrl-Alt-XX shortcut. When I tried to do so, > the screen stayed the same but the windows in the window manager went out of > focus. > 7) I guessed that I did enter another terminal, but simply couldn't see the > prompts. So I mentally assumed there was a login prompt and went ahead. I > typed out my login stuff and pressed enter. Then I assumed there was a prompt > infront of me and entered a command to start another xorg session. Note: Till > now, I am still looking at the TWM xterm windows that are out of focus, not at > a text console. > 8) I execute startx infront of this mental virtual console. Voila. Another > xorg session is started at ttyv10 (the original was at ttyv9), indicating that > the terminal was there, but it simply wasn't visible and that I could switch > to them by using Ctrl-Alt-XX. > What's happening? Why can't I use i915kms to view my tty? Why is xorg able to > use it? > PS: When the screen goes blank while loading i915kms, I think its simple not > able to display the tty's contents. So if I do my "mental" trick there and > continue as if everything was there, will it work? I am going to try it now. Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: kern.vty="vt" Try using absolute pathnames and load /boot/modules/drm.ko ahead of /boot/modules/i915kms.ko in /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" -- Trond. 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:43 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020, Trond Endrest?l wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 00:43+0530, Vishal Subramanyam wrote: > Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: > > kern.vty="vt" > > Try using absolute pathnames and load /boot/modules/drm.ko ahead of > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko in /etc/rc.conf: > > kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" I actually solved the problem just before I saw your reply. I was using syscons, and when I read some of the boot messages, I saw a few lines about kern.vt.* under the i915kms driver. I realised what had happened and changed the console driver. Thanks for your reply. But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use syscons? 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:13:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk" --KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from > Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox > / FreeBSD. >=20 > It worked fine on Hangouts. I can still see my camera and microphone > activity. I cannot see anyone video nor audio, they cannot see and > hear me. >=20 > I am sure this is the Brave New World of "change is good" so if > anything works we need to destroy it :-( >=20 > Never used and will not use MS Teams.. but I had to use Zoom once. On > Chrome recently camera stared working but audio is choppy and > disappears just as you describe with MS Teams. On Firefox it never > worked. I have old separate Android Nexus phone for this crap. >=20 > On the other hand if Hangouts and Open-Source JITSI Meet works fine on > both Frefox and Chrome on FreeBSD so where is the problem? >=20 > I feel like its early 90's not really 2020 :-( >=20 > Best regards, > Tomek Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on linuxulator :) Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the problem and how to debug that. --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk-- --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66aK0ACgkQ95cXLotf KhnexAgAkNMEAxcHNadzCda3/s3GtecsjkJEAAnpYG+sbu9hhnkL6Y68S1+l8tSu gjtucqekBcFcba/wXClLaDKYD7aT6mXZ8ShUk+cgikxFakp1dpibWqqwfyq4IueK 6/NW6JDmCoRZv68njRYLb5iqVpItWpXKvk7zt5WikUlEh6n/6WR0D4RxIouHsmge 2Gq/2VKF2hNbxLjy7oH+u+181GhrgyH27EWAOjy6zFn7g5HdUp2EslrR7Nx0sjGx q1L+zgfwq1q5+EKHNek0di58IcA09AGHvi1KM4bQ858C80O0YOHVgW4Sn9L4iTbl VoQzfiN6r5FYvzbC+puziC4vaPutoA== =aFMV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:26:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AFE2E7B8F for ; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29809b03-1caf-d15e-cb25-12c3c69fc52e@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dzGQKEYUPPBX2cySRVAZ4bY7ODj0ad6ae" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lsqy4Dw3z3xYK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=suszko.eu header.s=dkim header.b=EQckWgVF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=suszko.eu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of maciej@suszko.eu designates 2001:41d0:2:8316::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maciej@suszko.eu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suszko.eu:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.38)[ipnet: 2001:41d0::/32(4.90), asn: 16276(1.99), country: FR(-0.00)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:26:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dzGQKEYUPPBX2cySRVAZ4bY7ODj0ad6ae Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1FINlWVDI0it2Cz4EHkV9H0RmZjhc8pdZ" --1FINlWVDI0it2Cz4EHkV9H0RmZjhc8pdZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/10/20 6:15 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 09/05/2020 12:50, Polytropon wrote: >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 A VM with a suitable "Windows" is often the best solution. =E2= =80=A6 >=20 > +1 however I can not use VirtualBox effectively for Teams meetings. >=20 > FreeBSD bug: >=20 > 245641 =E2=80=93 emulators/virtualbox-ose guest crashes whilst running = some > types of application with webcam or audio input on USB > USB support for VirtualBox on FreeBSD is poor - there is no passthrough binary module - Oracle has never released extension pack. 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FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100057b2942.c68cab2718010f3ad33a4372bf495587@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:22 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:08 +0530 (IST) Ekalavya wrote: > But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written > just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, > considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use > syscons? It isn't the Intel driver so much as the KMS (Kernel Mode Switching) subsystem which is supported by vt along with UTF-8 support, graphics modes, missing 80x24 and a bunch of other features that aren't in syscons. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:44:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B8E2E8866 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LtDr39Zfz40RH for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MBmI6-1jOUks3Tie-00C8Zi; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: Vishal Subramanyam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512114414.0966d83c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FqH9xa1RZHqrBrHEbkdkcTGRtUy7ZGM+p0v/4GXZXMU0tXZgWk0 yMvHv/v5Lb2g8NewAA0PiS8grHyVByzHT9+Kg7wtUvCGom5Jjv73hA24fAdRgOCM+c3PTDi a5InUbxdlJSfQ2LzDQpXF55trBSTOxR+N3LYDmmisImaWYIj3dNXzilPiqPChTFytDaFc4P FoumLxXT2v+ev8LGdCS7w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ymxpfrZqD3A=:xkn9Fnyhf21TXeElO64A8t jpxhz9iybhIskWevW9FnLCInsSBweFTx0ztVag5hr+uoyflyI95henNL3qVkA9EhZlm5KiDbq Dj/h9WYPBcOO/IJcgBE8jIlDpWLxx/sRxQzkFYCO8fxpNegXnFGimusxysC7/0eYAIH/EReUo ZEkOAUgy0ClerT5mHWmPPHin3hlvFTw9a21eGaqzPzw4zlQ1H4r0TrTaFIMfUDYg+vR1S9TEx d94YaisVLwdI7rsQVOJhiq0/WmJlfUU8nD6zqKzsYMHU3CIkUnjQZE3WHx++3nQrF9bALdNc2 XvvsPnW6Ag0jrEtu3R6Sr+0wI/ghdLImZZVmokJ4OCEgFzdk0RcuyrMcHoGcwFkxsUXPb9RX3 Gsy8tNOl62xuKG70xfiIlW5wHhr3Mk+USm5hj6lLSnfx5QH0gjaAWvJCr6QZCzSSvY3IrQOfC cKkmQx+6aQyumdvsMsCAW8WaRWJnQa7Oddg+t38fwNYaE2OZHlsbMzizPxeeZDnTVkxJ1N/Le KzlzHcQkrEUbTm3nanWP7Wot1Q27p/mPrveJJ/r3eHb1heuTQJJY2QRD9/2qDHU1Il4Qq4e94 6tyPb0n2sUoF2v0r/tpk2u15im/wyiyMEV0EcCGOoLU8xDEtQ51fAhnxHHonLRQWuf0WJ7mYN Yi5h/m/W/D+eoJT2naNycTfcLv8QCPz3YedCB8vBt+9Vgb7pAzbanPVNTJDExAtu7wvtbyvVU EZOekktC0g3KGXXn5xae8e0r3uU42Ns+WwIgqgIXH6shia3wRlt8uPQULAPP6vv4sm6eH3OYL Hah7W7WnWSh+bXwu5CvG8rZU+irDUPsVSgwxczeSlGCvaiD7CSuLY+RWf0JEpmNBaZB8aYe X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LtDr39Zfz40RH X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.74 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.34)[ip: (-0.57), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.31), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.995,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.996,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:29 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST), Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: >=20 > kern.vty=3D"vt" This already is the default in FreeBSD 12.1. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:51:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5412E8D31 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LtNx1MhTz40pq for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M58OQ-1jZY1p400a-001AmK; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:51:18 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:51:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ekalavya Cc: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512115117.06ca8148.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NHKK6uC2hLK58pFiCgWBez4OkLblyap5hXI6cQgzOwCECmxc/uX R45xgUQ7pgFYKlVSXMwmhrFoasWFba5rypONybCrT58mwoJiHhMu04y4c5rQK2APHhrLdUP QNpWvkUPJSQLiKJxCfMASx7jQroRFpe+D4OrwBC0LY3jVvAxfGR/jai0qrb7NQ8RuALo0Hq iRipR25EPfpTvN6WC4Ydg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bsphT5BTFPg=:GSpNJiyQO02lJtbNq/NuUR q0oBaN7yEMLiBIU4nWnXjOuKJAMi+QInZ439D8gYy1Bz/2wg8by6R+Wg3FJHju8K4oGNTF9ug xDK2glcPw7E2Pm7hS4Jiz2ktLSv6Y/AF92ihFxac4oE7oUguPWltMDm6LBjHuMGjVly5QQnZG qkHuyGJNtwaaSsMumPhjd3mhHa6GjYuwZeBluvugnftRspFSaYRerFHuSqv/lvXcfD8QE3jEz E3uU/S+3RPS0U1W7GqYbHJSJNBOgC/cd+G51oisTYxW+BqlpOko+VU7RYv700L3lTAwQugeoQ atf38EAuuPgaHNXfAhtFDPUhdu4lD4wXxu4rGmsmAuA9f71MXK7qmCZNX+k9AADSltwvvs4KO zcS4HjRYXICEmyN6/xviMd/GOsWdfZeTX0Xh/8c8WBJ5YhVrWLqzjcZjsWGcsnucMKtDuaJ9K P4gFIybzN+jrOsk6cOL8NT7Nz98eEXrhipONqPfSspRARQUkh7C/LAyHXsXyEmtnYlqeZFikM gW8rPHKaGnuznUXqO5T0d+RlWyJ7tSzpS7Nxf/WK5GadKtQaYwymFsAzoy3+pPhmUMuLnRW/F zjLcp09rq+AjZpHyJd/xzW6NPaz5izHp1j0t1XNeL9L6+dHxdEwlBjiiaXb9rLb72/C/Q+Qxc 6nDAZYYI1yH2HBDKYSJs0giYXmop57RubsnuzdBLOmXHqp7GNiEuH9Dtu1qWTOD8be9Cb2d8f tG+8GOl8mHenLTsCaxpahjgamWunbkdGyopeUQQmv99FjYVwUaHQuIJQoNnOgGIO6dmzoh/za /PDEqLE2O5BsJ3jOBGEqbNWm8csH9oI25OY/co/4uy9dXKljBlsKL8tU6FE+W8OeXBoWv2z X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LtNx1MhTz40pq X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.82 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[73.192.72.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.42)[ip: (-0.17), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.31), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:30 -0000 Allow me a short addition: On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:08 +0530 (IST), Ekalavya wrote: > I actually solved the problem just before I saw your reply. I was using > syscons, and when I read some of the boot messages, I saw a few lines > about kern.vt.* under the i915kms driver. I realised what had happened > and changed the console driver. Thanks for your reply. > > But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written > just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, > considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use > syscons? "Nobody" uses syscons (sc) anymore, as vt became the default. Sure, it cannot do everything sc could do (for decades, in the proper, predictable, and expected way), and there are significant limitations and inconveniences (screen size definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed (for example, xf86-video-intel). Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still possible with kern.vty="sc" in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:04:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66" --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: [ c u t ] > Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing and > support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my stuff" = or > "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we would not have s= uch > problems like the videoconferencing just showed up two days ago. >=20 > I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand and= > push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a bit of > support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works but I send = good > wishes so it happens :-) I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's fair. The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD.= --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66-- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66dKsACgkQ95cXLotf KhmGZwf/QGC/Hsx8Ko/qbfCaSgu7uLAu4ebC+Ptlib23W8SGM6e+pK7e8o/SQyVD r904EMmnQQHfFdd4yJdY12nm3WXCrLsl4yct3cfUjWC6qHvj9DhDY9HgVc8W5rl0 pTM190tHKe41aZrHq0jEjWfT0geZAuCMHzHwgDfSlyKXPIpuBDvHmEcBtoTjui5e 6er4p6Cwc+VFYxzNUbti2ujo5b1pDy6rU+q4i8MvdR3QVpBYmB12BXR/UL98DFPV fxoM7BkzQngaS10jUXgYoQTFrMqhQ68a2XM6AMwsKxclALDr5+5E9uEaAYvMWqg1 uqNn1qsKjpdPrND7EM1XcrMiZBARCw== =A75H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 10:15:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EB62E95D2 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x843.google.com (mail-qt1-x843.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::843]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ltwx350cz42BB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x843.google.com with SMTP id x12so10518372qts.9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=IYaAA/7NCxZwNkTKIvSQ1jxV+Fnr8tqdnNTutAu5QV0=; b=RzGIgN//atJPgIYIGv+qKM4UDvOtRb2n4UhSVrxW21eBwuQ8nCJlvBUa66Qi9JJGCq JgRF/iGezTM4OZJArPzoi+cq5KhtkDnKasP4D00Tu3g3v53PTmM6oMb5tuW5RYuUaeqM MkJt6v/y23pdknIwl45M0HOKWJMMoYVqvSkD8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=IYaAA/7NCxZwNkTKIvSQ1jxV+Fnr8tqdnNTutAu5QV0=; b=dKa8QEuVrBsHxaLBKPcp5sjq5eQ7MEz40B45hM8orwd8FdSDtQzY/h/FfRN4FVjy+6 FzJ1SQWMB1kREYZ/er5RYhMvlWHcNAu9xIbQw0ONWSELb4LqUv0OQrBZjfk0BHXKoBve VfKiOQXoq2qlcqWxudL4lmZhaaurUsoF7seDBcI8wy0Kfb07q1GLIM0ZJZ68eUOxrzqg f84AngxsGgPAwOdlfg+LmJclQpC9tAtZFbv5gGL0tcI77eHpdi23eOjt7q2uLn8is35m AgUD/ODc8AspYnyHwQUerqNCEA+qiQyTZlVxJ4tIZFXOb2B+N67sNUs27c+H+KDCLm63 asGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530CRkQie85Fn/EKZRK9d7kI1nVJWysRb/n1XWm0AAwHFtfoIjMF PitBMovpVVWlLbCXswU2ImK1ljSv8fk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWNauznztz8hKh91nIm9mGy7ZoOXMW2T6j6SYgA6VqF3rNrz1LPKqFHpDKcHzzFAxaaeM6EQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:554c:: with SMTP id o12mr5009152qtr.89.1589278543859; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm12293673qty.41.2020.05.12.03.15.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Ltws44r7z1V6t for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:15:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/pzvsOOKIJr/ty3D/Gz8gIjR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Ltwx350cz42BB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=RzGIgN//; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::843 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:46 -0000 --Sig_/pzvsOOKIJr/ty3D/Gz8gIjR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 11:13:10 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from >> Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox >> / FreeBSD. >>=20 >> It worked fine on Hangouts. I can still see my camera and microphone >> activity. I cannot see anyone video nor audio, they cannot see and >> hear me. >>=20 >> I am sure this is the Brave New World of "change is good" so if >> anything works we need to destroy it :-( >>=20 >> Never used and will not use MS Teams.. but I had to use Zoom once. On >> Chrome recently camera stared working but audio is choppy and >> disappears just as you describe with MS Teams. On Firefox it never >> worked. I have old separate Android Nexus phone for this crap. >>=20 >> On the other hand if Hangouts and Open-Source JITSI Meet works fine >> on both Frefox and Chrome on FreeBSD so where is the problem? >>=20 >> I feel like its early 90's not really 2020 :-( >>=20 >> Best regards, >> Tomek =20 > >Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop >and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards >one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run >Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible >in most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I >bet on linuxulator :) > >Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official >communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some >situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the >problem and how to debug that. I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have you tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? I have already made a request that has receive some support for a FreeBSD specific version of Teams. The created one for at least Debian, so I assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours appears to be. By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to the trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run the real one and get all of the benefits. 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Hi Poly/Ekalavya, Perhaps I should add that while X needs kern.vty set to vt, setting the variable to sc disables X but enables text-mode screensavers. I have a pure text-mode FreeBSD installation on one of my disks and I quite enjoy the Logo saver therein. 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:45:28 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020, Polytropon wrote: > definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system > that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, > the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of > course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed > (for example, xf86-video-intel). > > Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still > possible with > > kern.vty="sc" > > in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. I don't think you are quite right about this. A system that runs X doesn't have to run vt. If you read my initial post, you will notice that I was using syscons _and_ running xorg. Also the xf8-video-intel driver is optional, per the many docs/forum posts I read online. But in my case I installed it because the Xorg.0.log said that Xorg couldn't load the appropriate intel driver. But the point to be noted is that X worked fine even without the xf8-video-intel driver. Thank you for your time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:04:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADBE2EA66D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lw0h5Qjlz44PD for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MXoxG-1jbtZ01IHU-00YBQa; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:04:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:04:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ekalavya Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512130402.7a001605.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200512115117.06ca8148.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1FhCoIBiYros7GzTRDW04pO9UFL5EyWUAsQD/eqWx4UQrDI/GZb 6xIu298MH3kV8A/F4ZxGoZLN4BViQp2eUGnGYU4T2a5C4uQv9l5AGQ5d1X6WnDY0ZZvzjPX o0xGWYw0l4P46alh6+aK45aug8TGs4hSzXuQYn/DUbWPdhV7SpDdSALudOFPfJi5miIN3HO iQAph8+weWhl6Z3k4tGlA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lZKQYoxf+Q8=:/jRnZM/X9zPUFMXTiViuE7 EDNT+b6+NxW9xZxpOPF6guj9AMDfDeYlythOwsmap/mtmS/6cq5FXG05g0YkwbvUdt10JcFzc 895iB8q+18Dxqr93NBikkYwpkUtch+P3Pr3DEYKcF7Bg8H3ZYiJFU5dys4VZwtZPJUB+7vWMw tLgxDSs5er9SqLPDUe48ZbaRTJrla36EAJ4DOyA8Ogaan/SbO8G2nbxYXsjwgQjsBovPzY3tI jqKT8RlaDMX27sJ/dPsqcFaavxdZxwdn3Cq6VU3YtNsjxKZi0yLbqHexv4QMczpgdlP5CYOPj Nbm97Ij++Yq/ymfa9DzDmrh9zmlDv1SCV/dzk57TsjEQyLCWj/KR6C9Mb3ZOC8Dyguq54necd uGTeXH86yFjIqfOeeF5e1SpK7PsYdq/qhQroqZfY7awH/aCUxtEqig8kggsbU0dUDTpyGhbva 8HUFhjQ0jmSW8E83C+H3qgVqLgadOw7q04HQTdqY+UYWMBCvoBYkC+5iN/wegzpytqNymYty7 VNWEfJrE8aIuU6azOHQ6L7VaxCM0GX/svTEYCHTzqM9OQ4a+tLNGz9xDO2b7kpH27TC1k0H4K PV6NVvgX9IJl651Y8/UyVE2ntiBwRu2aIFHSAmIi4WZBFD6Ih22AOp4Y2lLdFEjnA+z4NFPob syFDQLZKIBgm1xcazobhHK4BGd+NZIzcmeJrQ945eLhxr3s/9RhU0TumXRa1VNz5lIETZ5EOk KWsdmlGpAnnkgLnIkNe1duwV88EYWOl/fD6UmzGAHhtNFwIgfm5MCG2KySWzcaT5tlAO2tbh9 wHHgDrAFMh9HJ6uojMrgFyt64X4Yy3Y38kL+d/ilQl+Ir6RrLqAgkCFEW3IilAPd5GgR2zb X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lw0h5Qjlz44PD X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[ip: (-0.49), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.962,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.967,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:06 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 10:41:38 +0530 (IST), Ekalavya wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 May 2020, Polytropon wrote: > > definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system > > that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, > > the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of > > course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed > > (for example, xf86-video-intel). > > > > Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still > > possible with > > > > kern.vty="sc" > > > > in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. > > I don't think you are quite right about this. A system that runs X > doesn't have to run vt. If you read my initial post, you will notice > that I was using syscons _and_ running xorg. Thanks for the hint - I just looked at the handbook, and it must have been updated. So it probably is possible to use sc again, and still be able to use X on the same system? That would be really great! The manual states at 5.4.1. no. 4: On some older versions of FreeBSD, the system console must be set to vt(4) before switching back to the text console will work properly. See Section 5.4.3, "Kernel Mode Setting (KMS)". However, there is a KMS problem pointed out in 5.4.2: Older versions of FreeBSD use sc(4), which is not aware of the KMS system. The end result is that after closing X, the system console is blank, even though it is still working. The newer vt(4) console avoids this problem. I think this is what you've been experiencing with the "invisible console session". :-) Sources: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons > Also the xf8-video-intel driver is optional, per the many docs/forum > posts I read online. But in my case I installed it because the > Xorg.0.log said that Xorg couldn't load the appropriate intel driver. > But the point to be noted is that X worked fine even without the > xf8-video-intel driver. Maybe the thing with the appropriate driver is more important when you need 3D acceleration, especially with ATI / AMD and nVidia cards, whereas regular Intel cards or APUs seem to be fine for the usual desktop, and therefore X uses the interface to the kernel modules instead of its own driver. There's a lot of change going on in FreeBSD and X related to graphics, so what works today might break tomorrow. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t67sm10869554qka.17.2020.05.12.04.11.25 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Lw984FwFz1V9y for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lw9C5q34z44cp X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=GMSm71Vk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::744 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:11:28 -0000 --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 12:04:27 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >[ c u t ] > >> Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing >> and support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my >> stuff" or "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we >> would not have such problems like the videoconferencing just showed >> up two days ago. >>=20 >> I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand >> and push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a >> bit of support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works >> but I send good wishes so it happens :-) =20 > >I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not >idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you >their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service >but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop >application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's >not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case >with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no >DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would >be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's >fair. > >The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, >is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary >to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm >also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the >problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for >software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for >FreeBSD. As for the first part of your question, are you using? I assume you did check out this URL: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/get-clients It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. Maybe FreeBSD did something to piss Google off. I don't know or care. The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. To address the second portion of your post, I had a telephone conversation several years ago with a technician from 'Brother USA.' Yes, it regarded printer support. I wanted to know precisely why they wrote drivers, etcetera for Linus, Debian, Mac, and I think one other besides mobile. In any case, he told me he uses Linux at home and likes it. He went on to say to me that writing for FreeBSD is not easy because: 1) They don't follow standards. I assume he meant 'Linux" standards, so I didn't press the issue. 2) He claimed that the expense of maintaining a complete set of tools for FreeBSD would not be cost-effective. He said that it had been determined that FreeBSD was too much of a niche operation to make it profitable. 3) He also went on to say that FreeBSD, when compared to Microsoft or Linux or MAC, was considered too decentralized. While I realize that your problem does not pertain to printer support, I believe my answer does, at least to some extent, attempt to address your concerns. As I stated in a previous reply to one of your posts, if you are willing to create a detailed report of the problems you are having and the applications you are using, version numbers, etcetera, I will be happy to forward it onto the MS Teams technical support crew, assuming you do not want to do so yourself. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl66hFUACgkQOHMGOIfe xWROmwf+M16q62zLa7osBz5SCpFLBmENVW/T3SaOL2I2RapqXcfqaFWiawfcHQvN 0JpsO0Grc4tRym1VOvtELtrmcIluMeNuC2cBSC0GyuN9qXI6oH5UUMbFuQvs3rZE WO5FU9qHxG6Gesqpcez0tdJVkRitrA1oHmGQ9nZ7DG8nfU9EI0b6jH6Y70dDqYXw ELnRiXTn6H/hEbKzCjdzjl/Szz2mKZ0VyrpZsQJIf7mewPLf/Q0Arxz4IxNCuOSN a4UOczco0Yxv5o2qpYyKpRS8urkRNsa/+v6II3L4Z2tKfjZYmRJORhf3AqrYPtoW /oyoJat5Y1IB//zmkzZQMwdejXC+Kw== =fzGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:16:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389942EAC22 for ; 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d=suszko.eu; s=dkim; t=1589282160; bh=jjxAtu1LTucDht4otlnsfv7darCpl0PS9B8wS40tqrI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dBFSwE92u5QUdN86Go9AO4BNfOlgeaaDvENJRl6Hyi5VlJgNMnEe9duvWLdPqV3J0 EJ3owyr3ILmKyoD7qKJuSJ8lIj9viwXJkS0rmA2GnsF1bByDy3gZg6Rg4PIBajpXos r61Tl/eMgcDruY4ID16cBcLcyfDcg6oNMU/PqAzg= Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> From: Maciej Suszko Autocrypt: addr=maciej@suszko.eu; keydata= mQENBFzMuVABCADTImD6lLLoxdskJypDlDvu7ilbbluXdJiZ8+hcb/WzZXD+fKn3h01BtJYN p4IuX2fn9Rc94GXanuJl0/AlguQexgUgOKdiqDHZyCjRX42vIq0BKXkvK6Gd2wUYqbhjyzr1 V0WT9qTxVlHEbPUCQJ6QxQA2ygJNdwKPvnKwlrj6NWskmpycM3/3uIHhVrRWsrO9El/o2mRX JeIVV0BzP0lYLYhpuwMAlu+B8lPxVChuVQb6UWzLIvSGfqXUPnAxJXcZxkFyEnnetnXctrKC NGnRYPop3r7kd2MgkvHgw81aVMf7HqXhxBBQq0kUrg9TCsL9wwQfyPR7LDgQrIFP78WZABEB AAG0IE1hY2llaiBTdXN6a28gPG1hY2llakBzdXN6a28uZXU+iQFRBBMBCAA7AhsDBQsJCAcC BhUKCQgLAgQWAgMBAh4BAheAAhkBFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAlzMupkACgkQ 95cXLotfKhmWYAf/e9JHkUxoVHj6LsOS9YLM+XFZzeRM93K3t9gzpWalIvEAIMKicO0KFypl XXGiSc9ECeZNEwd+VfU6AmL707dQpJiBe13X++PC5Lps/S8WMtZRtmd2vbaIcHixzimBdvi1 hPcTPJjIPEQon2BwwFxId4tzx56qglrwFovZfFZV7U0+qZjvwh+UI9ZKbNgOndkdJf1Hld0I R4PIEQ3H5IIaKoFcNBaXB6fWqR19e8gidBeZRbMszYiaGGtltv+OKuqXxGUTA7siVCxaY9U4 Z2TJi0BvsBbaDyDjMw3/xQCd0vNtJ5TNI5kuUaPf1tPFGzC/Hcwru5iri7K3U4/BNH+izbkB DQRczLlQAQgAlhC1oZUt2fdgCpjLWVEPj8sc1uqoyiicW/oGDirXqyJKRfPn6vWI5W7otBOY NSJyISNi7IuXRcRnSVkWGf5w4nOO1PFRgxWvVd8LgJ2T6ykA8oqYNN6opwcyvDTQwC+cVOYl f1Mbmz3Lg9bmMvbBu5P9w/raxV2A6Q9Hq7eSvHbfiyR5S8CBZ3Al9cYd8tp7mZXQuyShxNKJ s59K1BU5JMKvRhX1jVS0x4XFtZSU536UtPj/IAV4LGaDaZGUsWHfyeaG94/ZmTtuYmuGqchH u0clClnHCmkv+CcIMBHeSp4CVjq9o7BHYdFSXE+An8XoOycNo0am9mxNPW7Vc/qhXwARAQAB iQE2BBgBCAAgAhsMFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAlzMuqQACgkQ95cXLotfKhlU mwf6AvSkjYo9Ma1TsFRL4EJA7snf6Y294E1H41MeDQ4t4ciLV1S60zBAJ68rOd8zMJ+7IvYh V/SPSvOFFXoePHKk+hNhnvZfrk9rd1QdjB69SNeHmVi/1KTIaLuNfsngsgL1KO53qBmfQyiw Y/1OddfZjZXvZtfSEGi4JVtSF3JXWVe9et80c0Zrg1X6PFSueqCw2uzX2gWRLrcMEFKQfPn8 Hs6Gf7/+m/8F+xghXYBqjjIbcXLps4wBdXfSuGNG3DFlTg3YBFcWYJAt92BnPZGxXl9LWljP Ar7ZE5lEwqklwNtGX0sWd6wbpv0BILz+ENGOXnwMapyyiWlCG8avBPM//g== Message-ID: <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:15:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LwGW09DKz456w X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:16:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk" --8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/12/20 12:15 PM, Jerry wrote: [ c u t ] > I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have you > tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? I have= > already made a request that has receive some support for a FreeBSD > specific version of Teams. The created one for at least Debian, so I > assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. Yes, my mistake of course... should be Teams. No, I haven't made any requests to MS Teams - just saw lot of posts describing some sort of problems and no solid workaround or solution. > If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be > happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and > they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours > appears to be. That's nice :) How may I help you? What kind of information would be helpful to your team? If you wish, I can mail you on priv but I suppose it would be better to do it on the mailing list. > By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to the > trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run the rea= l > one and get all of the benefits. That is why I would suggest a VM, but > that is your choice. I remember times using wine on Linux as the only option to have some Windows apps running... I respect wine developers work but creating some sort of portability layer between more than two operating systems is really hard work and I think it's gonna be harder and harder to follow all the changes in Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and all the operating systems that the wine is supposed to run on. --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk-- --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66hWoACgkQ95cXLotf KhlhSQf7BNNOqYYBHrFoQ/J89NE5IeL2Y2Z7wgxZVuCOHbJdt/ItgLIBkxDh8vvs xy3WkTVXwxZyn9FyKTZew12YbFBn125SFIqYL65rBD/6t1NN0THx3ohs3r4bF7JG u1qErTwBCxsHtQeoX8gjzJtj2UOuMwk4PSAwo8CKgmJlWefSMcjlZmzUtDKXKBz6 K9BQ0C8lGxsc3Ga87AdxbXlkCbM5W/1zSCm0ECFePGJ0414gx9uU+UzK4BZK+M98 0hPNBQOS9cA2mhTKJKkzmUwhZ0/0Xxogu6TLwQvubUD2g+6K8jYdQvQ2ftLm3GA8 AfZ2kF34o0MKU9YnAcErsBc+V7n0cQ== =wKuk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:21:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19582EAF75 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LwPK3W3sz45ZP for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N0Fh1-1jDEdI2VtP-00xLMT for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:21:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:21:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-Id: <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rroC+Ydsmrr2frG2XYZxCpz4QhgQmV3ptbLOV3h9dtyOteYMBqZ miVsuT8RMGzX1V0SvoK4o13UIxd1uSeMMqji42/thrqXd6ykxK6d7urTtXCU0ix0ecksVG+ cjXVn+PfE2V4U4Klh9B5/Flb8OGanEPGdYJahrDpivgmnfHA9ucWuP/eWkakihC2McfM92b FXvY4U27YjKZZNya1xXAw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:03qds10SKy4=:vVOA2qiY7eVeShd/pwX8l7 v86gJaX/cL02q2kVKoA+v6Cae4tLJjJFxn/+y8rHzKVEDrKQKUD4S18Ma/VLHY0vf5UqiWHVi jxBqsktlsFWndv2/FH4AP5GRTw+aLeTgq1PmjzCgjXQSFt3wnrkxWEBFxxNy8YeB9DfhErTnQ iXid/cnheQJ1XhLW/U9PlZGStB0VL7mMWy930H6/wXVV3+x2iIGhwTAWoNAnfFvXCD3eiSurg xOA5rdDw9h0RmpzHJlDtSEsQSyQJ1nyFwLVJcXII31qfOcjRYD+hZDPZXa/lxWp4FFR5zPEaN 7jqz+pD0YPUg64nq7c98WVuyhCHDy5S90fvDbii8GLXkmKQmv0+RBkxiJ5kvjpF4mt8iGajed e33g0esvxSFjpqUjHNjNaBTiNx1zKJC8DQ/9kj+JTPefAovlmBNwPjj6CNMsTXM729xb1oNwf 9C+JHqKrs4FEMnFNcwbyLgXfv4AZRnopWhuifjkCjaxz7T/xAtyP697mnMi15wjsgRbvrr7l5 jXoAMk+mdnBsQnNcv1keEUq9JpEtFBlompoZPFGqJTAfuPNtgjgY2TuHPiZUBQM1HMk27wrBZ jGKsOftSBzft7WgJGo4/O8Q9Sicppo7+bxf/EEKnYRz5RfqgLY0dpKGGrkIk0Ux6e+Fcfwzri 8j7tGlH/Z4EYGv6U/ZwajDKFrwoT9+ln5+v2AS6fGeolO5v0vSgy74CKekyP+4uUmBiGqC5hB dMZy6XAERvwnGVGGL0xETJhtiFptRG+6etfPntIJgWJxD6Mo8VC1dr9Uymu/IZjrRR7IhI2Ao ivUjRgnqmf58kzk66i9xgGI85k1HSdnnPc6Lx3N2sobPkg8ueHFOe4L/GQjIV/28sT9q3gD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LwPK3W3sz45ZP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. > That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of > FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps > Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a > systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program that should be quite portable. > The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. > To address the second portion of your post, I had a telephone > conversation several years ago with a technician from 'Brother USA.' > Yes, it regarded printer support. I wanted to know precisely why they > wrote drivers, etcetera for Linus, Debian, Mac, and I think one other > besides mobile. In any case, he told me he uses Linux at home and likes > it. He went on to say to me that writing for FreeBSD is not easy > because: > [...] > 3) He also went on to say that FreeBSD, when compared to Microsoft or > Linux or MAC, was considered too decentralized. Being decentralized can be an advantage. However, printing on Linux and on the Mac is now centralized using CUPS. So why should it be a problem to create drivers that work with CUPS on Linux as well as CUPS on the Mac, but not on CUPS on any of the BSDs? Is the difference so big? Yes, I know, it sounds like Java: "Write once, run everywhere", but it doesn't actually work like that... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:35:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F812EB36E for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x344.google.com (mail-wm1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x344.google.com with SMTP id e26so21338848wmk.5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=EIPwSl9GGGyP+Q0iAl0xdEEO9RU547dsxrMeBYDGwsEFNIL7J9hZLa5yd1YQmzA5ZN H1ExAWSAvE90tab7LmVix27kLIm7Th84x4e6aaxbuiuOwtPhS3q+jWa9kGwhN+/4uJoN LGSclPrFmnhhDQQLX7CcK+xTlgivKoUMooN0778iF90hpKqzIe2QYImBX7gUabDsftkw jriG0JKdN2Wdhpz8rxthmleip2ZC6shrkazrfpooO4j2d4UTGe6NJvjVBq4dH+A1o0m4 WlVGuLK4sjnR/PWmEZEAZf9vk3/QArGcnKB7YA6jwP84hAUZMylGPXdoDsVzrtqZGbSX RnxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=Mvk9qySsodoxJoH274VkLsQxaDRSRqQ6u6v8Cp7UM6aApPIdQI3B39KIbp3O7i2Qvk ga5kym25qj7ufTHnEelhClx/k1qUjtIJ0BVcefhuPK35+9AaQ0ECyC1Qd/gASNACzIUN S637fYuhF94864BwEz4MGbdlkl423JrMYO2flDahRNxMJ5txvHjbkClWgXs2RFcDmL1g dRLP7FuAhRhNqHl17Qt/WDaXDD+Sg5iEycVVWBpAoNWIRuX1w4MvuVrUdXFYosZTvwZI 5gateOEPWHvrVEi7r6kF+Fck6Qq9QZWoy0qEm+oqDBePAvx9T2RdR3SSe6Bpl/bYvLVd TQuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuY3mWHi057w4aoOj2CzUkFOZYif6pTLGjpw+7LU6JS/+sarFb5G BYeshCl5mDwjlqrDI3twi2DZuYjFarc9UiiwP1XfN2DEcb0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLvPynIrYlnm1I9oijinNjbZcNjOLv2W8hTtiNeDq2gYY2bRcfF1RrnWiBD0l11Fjsx7lJfu9dQqwVUeDR7BMU= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c24b:: with SMTP id b11mr7419196wmj.101.1589283318854; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> In-Reply-To: <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: Maciej Suszko Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=EIPwSl9G; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::344) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ip: (2.51), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:13 AM Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from > > Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox > > / FreeBSD. By the way this is the outcome of "enforcing changes is the software development according to Microsoft" that I heard around 2008 when some UX moron removed menu from toolbar from GIMP and because "no other program had it that way". Now the same kind of morons removed BGE from Blender. Another moron recently implemented Profile Downgrade Protection in Firefox, the dirtiest of dirty corporate tricks, that effectively prevents you from using your own data in this Open-Source software so you cannot roll back to a version that does not have a nasty bug that breaks videoconferencing distrurbing your everyday work. > Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop > and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards > one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run > Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in > most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on > linuxulator :) Google at least (still) stands for and develops Open-Source. This recent bug we have identified as Firefox bug that breaks all videoconferencing. But the solution is out there already created in just two days :-) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 > Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official > communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some > situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the > problem and how to debug that. I noticed the same issues with Zoom, maybe the cause is similar. I found it working in Chromium. The camera support in Chromium showed up recently. For audio I had to recompile Chromium with PulseAudio support. The sketchy sound may be the last problem to solve here and some codecs may need to be fine-tuned :-) I would also report that issue to the MS and see what their real support for Open-Source is :-) And from another message below to keep it compact :-) > The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, For me the FreeBSD is the only real open-source and standards validator because if something works here it is really free and works everywhere else :-) > is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary > to people? No, the sources should be always available to the people and work out of the box :-) We do not accept binary blobs here this is another evil approach to control you and its not Open-Source at all if you cannot see the code and compile it yourself from scratch :-) > Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for > software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD. Yes its called POSIX, BSD, GNU, its already out there for tens of years available for free :-) Have a good day Maciej :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:35:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474252EB3B7 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciej@suszko.eu) Received: from archeo.suszko.eu (archeo.unixguru.pl [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:8316::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lwj628kFz46PX for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciej@suszko.eu) Received: from archeo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by archeo.suszko.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ADC217E6; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at archeo.local Received: from archeo.suszko.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by archeo (archeo.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9VLJv7EF88f8; 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DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.38)[ipnet: 2001:41d0::/32(4.90), asn: 16276(1.99), country: FR(-0.00)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --oPhGeWdYwqKiHtphf6QhdJGowdqt3wwHT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nzX7JTBU5C8N7nKvfs4RLXcAVUMLCCrQs" --nzX7JTBU5C8N7nKvfs4RLXcAVUMLCCrQs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: >> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. >> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of >> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps >> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a >> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. >=20 > As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form > (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be > possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. > The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide > a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? > You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent > on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web > browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program > that should be quite portable. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. >=20 > That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. > And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? 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What's wrong with Firefox that it > can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? > > So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in > such web applications. 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It is much simpler and much less risky but the performance is not the same. On 12/05/2020 09:06, salvatorembartolotta@libero.it wrote: > >> Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: >> >> On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), >>> I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. >> I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... >>> nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition >>> I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. >> It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. >> --Per Hedeland > > Good night, > > I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? > > In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. > > Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:57:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD1B2EBDBB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LxBV1yK5z47wx for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MsJXG-1jE32T0M5y-00tlQp; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Maciej Suszko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-Id: <20200512135734.fd7bfc91.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1uE2jvUBq6SdOg2kF9IN93uzworhg/CK4IDGVk+qwQBt2NCXwJH uuiaXfa9lu+REY1oqMU84Vsj3lwTjUxjxBIoToDhRf0nt4gNLE3hP3uJHqQryLHjG7VERrT yIJGAwW25OMvWdqBtJpV9KfQSnkFNnISafl9jwAl7dSWbzvk/+kYAYmaV2umGu0/C0SYHgq xPwk3slydgn8qqJAuTjXw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XgAACMVPqJs=:EKlLQZqXFvvO7r6VjfugOk hUcCxheuhg6+7X6Lnjjhc8SuYhzFYU6OekKWjUdXtKizrtsIo79RJYgO6Gn3PYzl/+pXU+uZH EgxUUBOwO7pM4e06yWHrULmu2OKdUnMSqobIZ6XHibRaprYP7+Ua1iEWDAD+6M/LPqwg1egvs JL8vBgKDsZty4OOgRqzOl9N0zKRC1OfHIwxe+C8dWRSS2WFOB3BJf6d8Tr2IdYVPGrrZTmRZb DIuPBWXa9s3kvep49jqmk7i/N1tQ8YP1vQA1oEXiVcXqeN5VRHKTwRUQ/oVM1nqW38/zedTd9 KZPL36l++Dv3AKkuY4L9EeY+IIYRneaM5/029F3sDhLqoXo+Rqo7Yl5GFHEZHFg51OhSA8CSr MDSOknU1D3Uby4vssH7VKMDVMz/lytXvt/i5D9ewipAlUMKhG9VebLjRHtNnCBkdMEY+XQh6J MSnhwuGeQf7NwkiwGI0k4kERhirngEO6MefZLTnMF1J77ipxsz3wBstVHcQ7ge7FaW88XoWz+ F98b6rXkdBaLU0oVZEIWDEYRQgx4cMBpVhsptxJoSUyEMrXWIje8Jan7Qdp3ZO8K46dGd6YHv FUutbYd+RNgBgRkyDVuKjE1MKrwm5q6oiy9b/3x9xvRgIhgqCqmuf6wWcMLeeKn0uGd8yf81u J8OpCzS1WimeO7P5vAInsbZ5lI5IPLlXUmlyh/yKpd/3khAzclFM3Avs0z6n1hp2pV5wLvStr fA5AuXiSs6FUAJA3cM5dCdmdqFsw6OQR8nFMyEsbW+WZK9w6F2Rty/6iH2gYc/L/F/mLXpoRF Hx9k7iLuzPlyXxjOwc38CEwDY/6q76GiyWwWCRNu+efgC2Ec1JgaNNOywumVl0gTtMwuYVT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxBV1yK5z47wx X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[ip: (1.06), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:26 +0200, Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. > >> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of > >> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps > >> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a > >> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. > > > > As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form > > (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be > > possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. > > The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide > > a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? > > You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent > > on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web > > browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program > > that should be quite portable. > > > > > > > >> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. > > > > That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. > > And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. > > What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for > Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it > can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? That's a good question! As you know, Chrome "enhances" Chromium with certain functions, such as video and audio codecs (might be important here) as well as autoupdater (which performs the task a system-controlled updating mechanism is supposed to do), or it is about the DRM (digital restrictions management) stuff that is "important" for a working video conferencing tool? By "important", I do not imply "neccessary" - two totally different things. But if a certain web app makes itself dependent on functions found in Chrome, but not in Chromium, it's obvious that it won't work in anything else; however it's still a valid question _why_ such a decision has been made... Yes, I can actually imagine the codecs and the DRM that are present in Chrome, but not in Chromium, are the "Google extensions" that are required. > So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in > such web applications. Correct. As I mentioned earlier, web browsers have become a very complex thing comparable to an operating system - it they are also _used_ like operating systems, i. e., distinct platforms to run web code (as opposed to native code) on; of course the metaphor "write once, run everywhere" that more or less used to be true for HTML content doesn't apply anymore. A web app can be very specific about which browser you can use, and what version of said browser is required. If you don't match those exact requirements - no soup for you. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y28sm6503710qtc.62.2020.05.12.05.05.01 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 05:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49LxM06Wknz1VDq for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:04:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512080453.00007888@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/GPlK45o94UE=ZQDZQF/UbYk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxM43pQHz49ZT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=I3PsKEVT; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (-0.00), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.f.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:05:06 -0000 --Sig_/GPlK45o94UE=ZQDZQF/UbYk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:26 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: =20 >>> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. >>> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of >>> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps >>> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a >>> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. =20 >>=20 >> As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form >> (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be >> possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. >> The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide >> a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? >> You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent >> on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web >> browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program >> that should be quite portable. >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. =20 >>=20 >> That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. >> And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. =20 > >What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for >Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it >can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? The answer to that question is quite simple. "The more applications you support, the more applications you have to support? Google Chrome is for more commonly used then 'chromium.' A brief description of the differences is detailed here: http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/internet/difference-between-chr= ome-and-chromium/ Microsoft supports its browser and Google Chrome. Promoting a more diverse assortment of browsers would only result in diminishing returns on their investment in time, money, and personnel. The fact that they are openly supporting Google Chrome is a major plus. The fact that it does not directly help the FreeBSD community is not their problem. This is a situation that FreeBSD should work out with Google. I honestly doubt that anyone with real authority in the FreeBSD hierarchy has attempted to reach out to Google for support. Google decided to base chrome os on gentoo. Linux has always offered superior device support as compared to FreeBSD, and apparently, that colored their decision. Besides, Google was a Linux shop, so why would they want to use a different OS. I think it would be great to get Google Chrome on FreeBSD. I HATE Firefox. However, I don't see that happening anytime soon. >So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in >such web applications. Such is life in the fast lane. You make your choice and you live with it. I'll make a request on the MS Teams support forum for support for Firefox, like I did for FreeBSD, but I doubt that it will catch traction. 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A kernel optimized for a system can lead to better performance. This has been true especially for systems with fewer resources. Note that only a specific optimization level is allowed for "buildkernel" (standard compiler optimization), while "buildworld" can usually utilize a higher optimization leve. You can find more here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/kernelconfig.html This approach is interesting if you're working with embedded systems. On regular home PCs and servers, this is hardly done today, but of course still supported and possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Tue, 12 May 2020 08:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: Tomasz CEDRO , Maciej Suszko Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:11:11 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxVC25jSz4B6c X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=BNnz0sZE; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=1ZpoJMFr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.27]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.84), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[27.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:11:16 -0000 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:13 AM Maciej Suszko wrote: >> On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >>> I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from >>> Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox >>> / FreeBSD. > > By the way this is the outcome of "enforcing changes is the software > development according to Microsoft" that I heard around 2008 when some > UX moron removed menu from toolbar from GIMP and because "no other > program had it that way". Now the same kind of morons removed BGE from > Blender. Another moron recently implemented Profile Downgrade > Protection in Firefox, the dirtiest of dirty corporate tricks, that > effectively prevents you from using your own data in this Open-Source > software so you cannot roll back to a version that does not have a > nasty bug that breaks videoconferencing distrurbing your everyday > work. Well, calling developers "moron" isn't something that is going to get you additional support. >> Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop >> and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards >> one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run >> Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in >> most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on >> linuxulator :) > > Google at least (still) stands for and develops Open-Source. This > recent bug we have identified as Firefox bug that breaks all > videoconferencing. But the solution is out there already created in > just two days :-) It looks like you are stuck in ~2005, with all the Microsoft bashing and Google appraising. Things have changed drastically over the years, Microsoft is much more friendlier to open source now (and if it gets them profit, all the better, I don't really care) and Google is just another lock-in vendor, I have stopped using their products completely except for web search, which I still find giving me the best results. > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 > > >> Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official >> communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some >> situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the >> problem and how to debug that. > > I noticed the same issues with Zoom, maybe the cause is similar. I > found it working in Chromium. The camera support in Chromium showed up > recently. For audio I had to recompile Chromium with PulseAudio > support. The sketchy sound may be the last problem to solve here and > some codecs may need to be fine-tuned :-) > > I would also report that issue to the MS and see what their real > support for Open-Source is :-) > > > And from another message below to keep it compact :-) > >> The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, > > For me the FreeBSD is the only real open-source and standards > validator because if something works here it is really free and works > everywhere else :-) > > >> is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary >> to people? > > No, the sources should be always available to the people and work out > of the box :-) > > We do not accept binary blobs here this is another evil approach to > control you and its not Open-Source at all if you cannot see the code > and compile it yourself from scratch :-) Who are "we"? FreeBSD doesn't seem to be the choice of those "purists", you'll have to go Debian for that, I think. >> Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for >> software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD. > > Yes its called POSIX, BSD, GNU, its already out there for tens of > years available for free :-) How are "BSD" and "GNU" related to any kind of "developer toolkit"? POSIX is important, yes, but there are a lot of things it doesn't cover, and it's not the base platform functions that are the problem for porting anything. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:17:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7054B2ED8A9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lxdj1WZdz4BdR for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-37-170.iol.local ([10.101.8.216]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YTqvjr8j3GT4iYTqvjR5IV; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:17:41 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SrbWj7XZTKyNiYQ/IdT5bQ==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=_yevK9wwAAAA:8 a=N7oLvZ7Lp1x1Ong6-eAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=QCj3g80VS2wd9d6ItcEr:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:17:41 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Per Hedeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1644337982.433672.1589285861644@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Trivially solved - Dual booting Windows 10 and FREEBSD 12.1-R on an ASUS UEFI laptop (was: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: KQPZqtuioM0SARURk7QL5OPILQj5nKHP5JKGj9QjDUI= x-libjamv: 2Y993eZShPM= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGEau72mrsw635bcpDBI6NxC8NEL3OHpNPVNYubNtxYY/vpweUkPDhpnVHVqSe228N+0NBfJweTXihVds7LZPhuPFXiyErKtACfkWvhNY0qpNMVMijkY rPidRFs4wuOht00TJyoawprQAtJ1RCZejdnsItcywINcmSXBosnpIPxAjUBb/fRDDQwYTWma71HRHWS+eD6/81eUZbENQrGz5BEnnTINJkEwZSftLaMkqXrr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lxdj1WZdz4BdR X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.78), asn: 8660(-3.02), country: IT(0.03)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:46 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 9.06 Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions ha scritto: > > > > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: > > > > On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. > > I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... > > > nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. > > It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. > > --Per Hedeland > > > Good night, > > I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? > > In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. > > Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. Good morning, the solution seems to be trivial: 1) Boot from FreeBSD live CD 2) Mount_msdosfs the GPT EFI partition (e.g. on /mnt) 3) copy (cp -i) /boot/boo1.efi from the live CD to the EFI partition, to e.g. /mnt/EFI/Boot 4) Reboot the machine, access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry - e.g. path /EFI/Boot/boot1.efi YMMV and at boot time, pressing the appropriate key (e.g. Esc) lets you select which OS to boot. Googling has brought me a number of long and complicated discussions and recipes on various system configurations and some confusion as well; reading _1_ minute the relevant UEFI(8) man page has brought me the solution (!). Shame on me... Maybe someone with docs commit access could put or rather rewrite this "solution" somewhere in the documentation (/FAQs?/handbook?/...), with some frills added (/grub/... configuration?). Thanks all the same. 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However unless your system load is such that it is CPU bound in kernel space it is unlikely to make a difference to the overall performance of the system at the cost of increasing the risk of hitting optimisation bugs. Very high performance routing is one of the few applications I can think of where I might expect a noticeable difference from optimising kernel code. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:56:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2581D2EE2CA for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LyV20VsBz4DGn for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-37-170.iol.local ([10.101.8.216]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YUS8jrRmLGT4iYUS8jRNuG; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:56:08 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SrbWj7XZTKyNiYQ/IdT5bQ==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=wTuYmfDWAAAA:8 a=xrnEm15svltq5InS93kA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=wstIGGCy9FE3o10UnUST:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:56:08 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1181669940.437387.1589288168628@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: <51dd6e6f-4c7a-9dbb-ee2e-1dd50a3e0712@defert.com> References: <51dd6e6f-4c7a-9dbb-ee2e-1dd50a3e0712@defert.com> Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: i2IX2R9VLKrTHXCbb0OufXS6nga3fsGt5ohHOb/Ufl4= x-libjamv: 0s7tXxPxHks= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfINZF2Ysf0Duq6woeczZ8ExbseQPN73Z+OwPGnZXXBLILW8VQjpw3+uPqHC0g9n9KWgpsQRW3KOUkb0v/ZynnThknITWv3YszSkw4BOcOTv6OFkyCbYw KtdXSkwOjZpcjY5R7tqahLjX+WI63o9xCEy1cFdR+bGOm7qoNMisH9ctYlEEpzQ/xk4NVigxHlJFuROgLGlfwM9/7/y9VEehDpSNmbUB0k/TZYRuaQ20xFHe X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LyV20VsBz4DGn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.83), asn: 8660(-3.06), country: IT(0.03)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:11 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 13.49 Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> ha scritto: > > > Is dual-boot a requirement or would installing FreeBSD on a USB drive > also do? > It is much simpler and much less risky but the performance is not the same. My idea is: OSes on the (internal) nvd0 (SSD) disk for performance reasons; data on external devices e.g. HDDs, SSDs, M-disks (local archive), USB sticks, clouds,... The risks, for my system, were very, very low. As a matter of fact, I hadn't modified the EFI partition, and the original installation was almost complete. The final step is perhaps the most dangerous. I solved the problem myself, thanks to Per Hedeland's suggestion, trivially carrying out that final step, and have already posted to -questions the no frills "solution". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:59:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E212EE41E for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LyZP66SWz4DPP for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from mxback10j.mail.yandex.net (mxback10j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::113]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3548F4D427FE for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:53 +0300 (MSK) Received: from myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c00:1da4:0:640:ee97:6ce5]) by mxback10j.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id EcbYf86Izx-xrPuQZbe; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:53 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1589288393; bh=Fa2lVL73ORCxwiPG5qVEv3Pw+wUHJNPk92dF7XH0Z4Q=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:References:Date:Message-ID; b=BUin0tCbbtvpR2TVbq71h32LWRE6+8tTh9+byWEPDTwukzmhVV3RCrDs+jtSMutGS CuNt26mhiT2Nty+KQ6cUYF9CY88XoSN4OI+6LDZ9ebkrMUTnEM5UB66kKJbHGA2RD/ IQTJbWyoWxXNnpmB2PZ0sbX6NcYn36msPf9ccsm0= Received: by myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id GWGjPNmqkE-xq2GEB6Z; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:52 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:45 +0300 From: dmn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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Apparently, for some reason, you have to use the Yandex web interface to write your messages. The message composer there has been updated recently, and now it allows you to send e-mail in HTML format _only_ (it's a bug, I believe). However, you can click the button in the bottom right corner of the editor window (crossed out "beta" symbol): "Click here to enable the old email editor" ("=D0=9D=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=BC=D0= =B8=D1=82=D0=B5, =D1=87=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B1=D1=8B =D0=B2=D0=BA=D0=BB=D1=8E=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=82= =D1=8C =D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=8B=D0=B9 =D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BA= =D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80 =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BC"). In the "old" editor, you have an option to send a message as plain text: click "Without formatting" ("=D0=91=D0=B5=D0=B7 =D0=BE=D1=84=D0=BE=D1= =80=D0=BC=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F") link below the "Subject" ("=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=B0") line. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d6sm10969632qkj.72.2020.05.12.06.29.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49LzDf2Cdzz1Vmn for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:29:28 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512092928.00002a53@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LzDk1gy8z4G2l X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=SgJ6nanc; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::743 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:29:43 -0000 --Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:15:54 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/12/20 12:15 PM, Jerry wrote: > >[ c u t ] > >> I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have >> you tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? >> I have already made a request that has receive some support for a >> FreeBSD specific version of Teams. The created one for at least >> Debian, so I assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. =20 > >Yes, my mistake of course... should be Teams. No, I haven't made any >requests to MS Teams - just saw lot of posts describing some sort of >problems and no solid workaround or solution. > >> If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be >> happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and >> they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours >> appears to be. =20 > >That's nice :) How may I help you? What kind of information would be >helpful to your team? If you wish, I can mail you on priv but I suppose >it would be better to do it on the mailing list. > >> By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to >> the trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run >> the real one and get all of the benefits. That is why I would >> suggest a VM, but that is your choice. =20 > >I remember times using wine on Linux as the only option to have some >Windows apps running... I respect wine developers work but creating >some sort of portability layer between more than two operating systems >is really hard work and I think it's gonna be harder and harder to >follow all the changes in Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and all the >operating systems that the wine is supposed to run on. Yes, contact me OL. While this is a FreeBSD problem, no one is really going to appreciate it being posted here. Briefly, I need all the info you can give me. 1) Your OS and version 2) Web browser and version 3) Error messages, etcetera 4) Anything else pertinent to this problem. I'll post it to their MS Teams technical site and see what transpires. In all honestly, I feel they will use the FreeBSD equivalent of "RTFM"; i.e., Firefox and Chromium are NOT supported. I seriously doubt that they will respond with "patches welcome", but that is just a guess. Now,depending on your interpretation of 'good news', Microsoft announced that they will be releasing a version of 'Edge' for Linux. I have been using the 'dev' channel on Windows for months now. In any case, depending on how it is released to Linux, there is always a possibility it can be ported to FreeBSD. I also came across this URL regarding Google Chrome: https://itsfoss.com/install-chrome-ubuntu/ Maybe that could be adopted for your use. I also share your trepidation regarding 'wine'. The only wine I have ever enjoyed was the one you drink, and I am a 'Scotch' (JW Black) man myself. However, each to his own. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl66pLgACgkQOHMGOIfe xWRjzAf/aYBDpiqKfZlyo3voM23VnbOGjcXNbiGJIb75BLpYO6qeo1bhRVp3Vhwg o8+Q3jlNzkP4RFwpIdCW98BKxZQm5N7Xbn6yjorYMg3DNxEk0FCzXStaP9pqqr9K 4oJb+jMGYjzSXa2sTy+LW7Hb/lJNQYifcmoPNHdvLTSWISYAB2N5JF7jreT0ckKD klZIXjIDYrITcr5+uayOv0BHH2eVTs4SfFwJTMtJhldqZmr1leGw7Q4dd+mrHjKi OBIYgy3omyLqJI5Yn1tWnrRRowlO0cJCWbGW0CwmJEdS3tPS+VFdOKpWVMkJ7SRV cf6VajIJae0mNWByeXslXf6USIFG8Q== =58Qw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 13:55:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A642F0603 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lzpg5d5bz4H6g for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9D6C25F5; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFIvZPIPR8G2; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29A31C226C; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04CDtYPO061070 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 15:55:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Trivially solved - Dual booting Windows 10 and FREEBSD 12.1-R on an ASUS UEFI laptop To: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> <1644337982.433672.1589285861644@mail1.libero.it> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <2662d005-fa4e-e8bb-49db-ed96cde04b22@hedeland.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:55:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1644337982.433672.1589285861644@mail1.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lzpg5d5bz4H6g X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.195,0]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.40), asn: 16686(1.22), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.21)[-0.208,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[libero.it]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:41 -0000 On 2020-05-12 14:17, salvatorembartolotta@libero.it wrote: > >> Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 9.06 Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions ha scritto: >> >> >>> Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: >>> >>> On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), >>>> I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. >>> I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... >>>> nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition >>>> I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. >>> It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. >>> --Per Hedeland >> >> >> Good night, >> >> I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? This is kind of moot considering what you write below, but since I already had written it when I saw your message, I guess I'll post it anyway - maybe it's useful to someone else. I do have a Windows/FreeBSD dual-boot setup on my laptop, and for any dual/multi-booting, I believe(d) you need a 3rd-party boot manager - and the subject is perhaps a bit too much to go into the details of here, but googling will find quite a few recipes. Most of them seem to be using either grub or rEFInd, I ended up using the latter and doing most of the setup from the Windows side. Googling now, I found a good summary (though not a recipe) at https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/dual-booting-windows-10-alongside-freebsd-11-0-release.59427/#post-341619 (it actually says that you *may* *not* need a 3rd-party boot manager...). Anyway, this is the contents of my EFI partition, originally created by the Windows installation: $ ls /mnt/EFI Boot Microsoft $ ls /mnt/EFI/Boot bootx64-freebsd.efi bootx64.efi refind.conf bootx64-windows-10.efi icons refind.conf.ORIG $ tail /mnt/EFI/Boot/refind.conf menuentry "FreeBSD" { loader \EFI\Boot\bootx64-freebsd.efi icon \EFI\Boot\icons\os_freebsd.png } menuentry "Windows 10" { loader \EFI\Boot\bootx64-windows-10.efi icon \EFI\Boot\icons\os_win.png } Here bootx64.efi is rEFInd, bootx64-freebsd.efi is a copy of /boot/boot1.efi from FreeBSD, and bootx64-windows-10.efi is (of course) the Windows loader, originally named bootx64.efi. AFAIR, this setup was all done from the FreeBSD Live CD. There was a bit more to getting it to work though - I had to create a boot entry for rEFInd (and occasionally have to re-create it), unclear why, using a Windows tool called EasyUEFI - there may be others. >> In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. The rEFInd boot manager is open source, as is grub of course - EasyUEFI is not AFAIK, but at least the version I used was free as in beer. > Good morning, > > the solution seems to be trivial: > > 1) Boot from FreeBSD live CD > 2) Mount_msdosfs the GPT EFI partition (e.g. on /mnt) > 3) copy (cp -i) /boot/boo1.efi from the live CD to the EFI partition, to e.g. /mnt/EFI/Boot > 4) Reboot the machine, access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry - e.g. path /EFI/Boot/boot1.efi > > YMMV and at boot time, pressing the appropriate key (e.g. Esc) lets you select which OS to boot. > > Googling has brought me a number of long and complicated discussions and recipes on various system configurations and some confusion as well; reading _1_ minute the relevant UEFI(8) man page has brought me the solution (!). Shame on me... > > Maybe someone with docs commit access could put or rather rewrite this "solution" somewhere in the documentation (/FAQs?/handbook?/...), with some frills added (/grub/... configuration?). Great that you found such a straightforward solution! I suspect the complexity of the solution to a great degree depends on the quality of the "UEFI firmware", as discussed in the forum post I linked to above. At least with my laptop (Lenovo ideapad 320), I don't see any "builtin" opportunity to "access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry", I had to use the EasyUEFI tool for that. And while I probably could have managed with *only* creating a "FreeBSD entry" instead of using rEFInd as boot manager, it's kind of nice to always get presented with a selection (with a timeout for the reply) and not having to remember to (on my laptop) repeatedly hit F12 in order to enter the "firmware boot manager" - but of course that's a matter of taste and usage patterns. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 15:02:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2EC2F1C86 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49M1Hh2B86z4LmL for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8178310276A for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGfEjoDAWCXz for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EAA0102769 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:15 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M1Hh2B86z4LmL X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.47)[0.469,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.23)[0.228,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.91), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:26 -0000 I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load=3D"YES=E2=80=9C = into loader.conf. Better not had done it. I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded vboxvfs.ko = while VirtualBox was running. Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was = already running. So I wanted to try to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth loader? = How from then on? 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