From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 17:13:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23497 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23452; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id CAA04450; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:11:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdwQ4400; Thu Oct 15 02:11:17 1998 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:11:07 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Studded cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Mikael Karpberg , Jeremy Nelson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <362531B6.553C7781@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just to say that the support for voxware should not be dropped. I think that keeping the two available should not cause any problems. Poeple will use what they like, if they got the choice. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Studded wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Precisely. Having two separate sound drivers is simply confusing and > > increases the amount of cruft in the tree. > > Ok, let me get this straight. Things like xten and qcam stay IN the > tree, in spite of, > > 1) They are broken, and/or work in only a limited number of cases. > 2) In the case of qcam can actually cause kernel panics. > 3) Are only relevant to an extremely small subset of potential freebsd > customers. > > Yet you plan to yank the voxware driver in spite of, > > 1) It works just fine, in fact it does more that luigi's alternative. > 2) Is perfectly safe. > 3) Supports a HUGE installed base of sound cards. > > And your logic for this is that it's confusing and adds to bloat? With > all of the other useless, antiquated, nonsense that's in the tree now > your answer is to delete something that works? > > > Furthermore, if those who > > have complained so far would put even a tenth of the amount of effort > > into helping Luigi add MIDI and FM support to the new driver, we > > wouldn't even be having this little conversation. > > I was one of the first people to adopt the new driver in -Stable, and > in fact I helped debug the problems with it in -Stable and I still use > it. I don't need midi or synth support, so I'm not motivated to help add > support for either, but if someone else does add it I will be glad to > test it on my humble, 4 year old original SB 16. On the other hand, I AM > strongly motivated by stupid management decisions. > > You've had about a dozen responses from people who are saying, "I use > the voxware driver and I'd miss it if there were no suitable > replacement." Given that most of the people who will be affected by this > decision aren't reading the lists, you should consider that an > overwhelming reason not to nuke voxware. I tried to be polite with this > observation in my previous post, but your argument that, "If I delete > voxware which works and people like then they will work on pcm instead" > simply cannot go past without comment. > > While I can't code a new sound driver, I will be happy to use my > documentation skills to help with keeping the two seperate drivers less > "confusing" if anyone's interested. Just point me at what needs > clarification. > > Doug > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > > Go PADRES! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message