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Date:      Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:24:25 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org>
To:        Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
Cc:        Arne Steinkamm <arne@steinkamm.com>, Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family>,  "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Wayland on FreeBSD
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2020, Aryeh Friedman wrote:

>
> Looking around almost every major linux dist discourages NFS in favor of
> almost anything else for example here is SUSE's official manual on network
> storage (never even mentions NFS directly as a primary option, only how to
> manage the ACL's if your on a legacy NFS system):
> https://documentation.suse.com/sles/12-SP4/single-html/SLES-storage/#part-net-storage
>
Perhaps we have been in a rut with our petabyte of data entirely accessed 
over NFSv3, but looking at that web page I wonder if there isn't something 
obsolete about it - after all, the majority of the hardware mentioned in 
section 17.2 as being supported is IBM and SUN, and very little would be 
available for purchase today. I know it has an April 2020 data at the top, 
but still, it doesn't reflect our experience with Linux. All of our Linux 
systems have excellent support for NFS, and have for 30 years or more.

I wonder if the documentation is perhaps greatly removed from actual 
practice. It is about remote block storage, NFS is about remote file 
storage.

All our storage is FreeBSD, Freenas or Truenas. All our compute servers 
are Linux.

Daniel Feenberg



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