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Date:      Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:26:50 -0700
From:      Matthew Macy <mmacy@freebsd.org>
To:        Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Sean Fagan <sef@ixsystems.com>, freebsd-fs <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Native Encryption for ZFS on FreeBSD CFT
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 20:22 Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:13 PM Sean Fagan <sef@ixsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 21, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> > The last time I looked (which was a long time ago), Oracle's ZFS
>> encryption looked extremely vulnerable to watermarking attacks.  Did
>> anybody ever fix that?
>>
>> This isn=E2=80=99t Oracle=E2=80=99s implementation, but I don=E2=80=99t =
know how compatible or
>> not it is with it.
>>
>> Sean.
>>
>
> It wasn't just an implementation problem, it was in the design.  IIRC,
> Oracle's encryption allowed encrypted blocks to be deduplicated.  There's
> pretty much no way to defend against watermarking attacks with such a
> design.  Does the new encryption design have the same flaw?
>

I would ask the original developer that question (see the commit I linked
to). The current dedup  Implementation is terrible, so there are very few
users of it.

-M



>
> -Alan
>



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