From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 13:57:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF365A9889 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2j5F0yQCz4XSL for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1616248673; x=1618840673; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=I+WBAYUVLE4D8tSyXUp4QG1pzuSso25XEYZPNTMk56s=; b=GLtAk/1WLEa8kIUY/GglwIpuytNYtPIk10NTdmxnyslNm9hBtjOii+wiKa+ZJjL6M/QSbvnQnYJWNd5ytD4KCKArxMThFwsGA1+zE5TANEj0DYL4fxOwduQg5iD20UF7MhI3yMhmJqsQMtQVZcZyVMvrhS2U63J4DZMURWi8UHs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZTAwMDM5YjIwZTkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:57:42 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:57:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lNc6m-000PYZ-Qq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:40 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-Id: <20210320135740.c10f4d671d34ce6590527eb6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20210320093304.00001e37@seibercom.net> References: <5743CB5D-338C-4609-8E89-396440926CEC@videotron.ca> <20210319110001.00000bf8@seibercom.net> <4602cbad-bf26-18d1-83e6-cba9627787d8@johnea.net> <90FEC704-1764-43E7-BEFA-C9481CF14714@kreme.com> <20210320083808.00000cb1@seibercom.net> <20210320093304.00001e37@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2j5F0yQCz4XSL X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=GLtAk/1W; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.548]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce00039b20e9.14cf9bcfaabae505be5000eb85a99328@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:53 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:33:04 -0400 Jerry wrote: > I CANNOT install it, Perhaps I am misunderstanding the situation. AIUI the install completes it is just that the default console is spammed by error messages so you can't see the login prompt (it is actually possible to log in and work under these conditions but it is hideous to do). Fortunately there is a better option, there are several active virtual consoles available by hitting Alt-F simply switch to one of those, log in and proceed as normal. > so I am unsure of how to build a custom kernel. > Then, assuming I could build a custom kernel, I would not be able to > use the "freebsd update" utility. Of course you can use freebsd-update with a custom kernel, I do it all the time. It just adds the extra step of compiling your custom kernel before rebooting after the update. My usual sequence for this is: freebsd-update fetch freebsd-update install cd /usr/src make kernel reboot NB: make kernel works because I have kernconf set in /etc/make.conf to the name of my custom kernel config. > So, to put it in the vernacular, > "I am fucked if I do, and fucked if I don't". Nope, you just have to understand how to get yourself out of the hole. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith