From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 19:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172A416A4CE; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A468E43FD7; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAD3651F7; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:20:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06312-04-7; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:20:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from saboteur.dek.spc.org (unknown [82.147.19.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01205651F1; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:20:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: by saboteur.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 575815; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:20:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:20:10 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: "Oldach, Helge" Message-ID: <20031115072010.GA72782@saboteur.dek.spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Oldach, Helge" , "'cjclark@alum.mit.edu'" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org, vgoupil@alis.com, freebsd-net@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org cc: "'cjclark@alum.mit.edu'" cc: vgoupil@alis.com cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPSec VPN & NATD (problem with alias_address vs redirect_addr ess) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:01:18 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:54:40AM +0100, Oldach, Helge wrote: > I do well understand that there is no general solution. However, FreeBSD > is definitely behind what is available on the commercial market today. Call > it "cheating" - but it's out there and it works. I would rather prefer to > see > a feature that doesn't solve a 100% case than to see nothing because we feel > that a "general specification" is missing. I'm in agreement here. The fact alone that hundreds of DSL providers are blocking tunneling and VPN protocols should be enough. So far, though, our provider passes ESP, so I'm not in a hurry to implement this myself. BMS