Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 04:23:49 -0500 From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> To: Michal Varga <varga.michal@gmail.com> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ports system quality Message-ID: <20110901092349.GB9509@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <1314596096.82067.419.camel@xenon> References: <20110828181356.GD277@magic.hamla.org> <20110828183300.GX17489@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20110828184542.GE277@magic.hamla.org> <20110828152234.54cc9fac@seibercom.net> <20110828193046.GA668@magic.hamla.org> <1314564889.82067.89.camel@xenon> <4E5AB672.4020607@FreeBSD.org> <1314585798.82067.338.camel@xenon> <4E5B0EFB.6000900@FreeBSD.org> <1314596096.82067.419.camel@xenon>
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 07:34:56AM +0200, Michal Varga wrote: > - While nobody probably cares much about that guy and his missing > browser images, what would you tell to the GIMP guy? That he should have > waited longer before upgrading the (for him, 30 levels deep) "Foo" > dependency? With furious client breathing down his neck and everything? > Either we want to have ports as a "big repository of colorful stuff that > even builds", or we want to have some actual products that people can > use after they build them. And that needs an additional level of quality > control that FreeBSD currently, and horribly, lacks (patches welcome, I > know). In that case, you should not be updating that rapidly. IMHO you should look at installing PC-BSD, who has a release process where they go through the apps based on a stable state of the ports tree, based on paid employees. > - That particular maintainer of Foo graphics library should be forced, > by threats of violence [...] And what happens if he doesn't respond to the threat? We fire him? Look: you can't fire volunteers. Only employees. And let's say that I, as portmgr, tried to impose some kind of rule about what's going to happen to you if you don't do things my way. The upshot? The volunteers will just leave. (They get mad when portmgr tries to bring some sanity to certain chaos-filled areas, as it is.) And why would anyone new agree volunteer to maintain a port if they knew that someone was just going to dump on them when it didn't work? You're not looking at this from the point of view of the people who actually do the work to bring you this system. mcl
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