From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 30 18:14:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8DC37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9040943E4A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:14:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0373.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.118] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TBvL-0006q2-00; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:14:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3E10FD38.87438C83@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:13:12 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schultz Cc: Dave Hayes , dever@getaclue.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <200212302207.gBUM74175262@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <20021230235954.GB2072@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4b4e07c5b1ffa443d06480da44c51f321666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Dave Hayes : > > SPAM is not a technical/internet problem. It's a cultural problem. > > True, but what makes SPAM different from other forms of > advertising is the cost model. So change the culture. The nature of the culture is an emergent property of the medium; therefore, even if it is not a technical problem, it is amenable to a technical solution: modification of the medium. > To fix the problem technically, you need to change the cost model, > or have some sort of authentication for email. Both of these are > a long way from general use, unfortunately. Actually, you want to have authorization, not authentication. You could probably care less about authentication, and it seems to me that authentication is the part that Dave objects to, anyway. The point of authorization is to change the cost model, anyway, so in the limit, you are talking about economics in both your approaches. > (BTW, do you think you could fix your reference headers before you > get into another mega-discussion with Terry, so it's easier for me > to find the entertaining parts? ;-) 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message