Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:16:06 -0400 From: Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <bb7e72be-a160-294f-d6e6-ec3b8c203fc9@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB0104D4627130E40C6E19859FF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <20200604125403.cccd113957aea693a2364cb9@sohara.org> <CY4PR19MB0104A2C03F4D66A1DA251A23F9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CAEJNuHwUWB1EgtnhOYvEcBdH3Tip%2B5H8YyvViD9zZU70mHO-Xg@mail.gmail.com> <20200604103920.20ee2d27@archlinux> <CAEJNuHz4_OALKm%2BGPPvH0cTw58D6vpxfP4orkEZeWjsZye1FWA@mail.gmail.com> <eb6a0c9be7202228c69caeb7c5387d3305ad7b98.camel@rocketmail.com> <CAEC7390BPaVKA0Vme7imnZkRk454rRfnEPk1bVZtxDfbOdB%2BYw@mail.gmail.com> <20200604125403.cccd113957aea693a2364cb9@sohara.org> <CY4PR19MB0104D4627130E40C6E19859FF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090605060807040009090105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 6/4/20 09:27, Brandon helsley wrote: > =20 > I see there is a section on upgrading ports in the porters handbook tha= t slightly touches on diff and patching ports. I'm still confused though = about how to find the bugs to make the patches and get the experience. Is= that part of the process of debugging anywhere in the documentation? > =20 Bugs are: =C2=A0 *=C2=A0 What you trip over when you're trying to get something don= e and the software does something somewhere between "Huh, what's it doing?" and "What a piece of @$!@$!@$!" =C2=A0 *=C2=A0 What you find when you've developed a suite of tests for t= he software that you run every time you even think about making a change to the code, or =C2=A0 *=C2=A0 What you find when you do a rigorous line-by-line analysis= of the code looking for various "bad" coding practices frequently associated with bugs. Given where you are on your journey, I'd suspect that you'd be best served by dealing with worrying about bugs only if you trip across them during use, or if you're dealing with software where somebody else wrote the tests and all you have to do is run them and see what happens. So....and here's the reason I'm even bothering to take the time to write this....I'd strongly urge you to not worry about finding bugs.=C2=A0 They= 'll find you soon enough.=C2=A0 And if you do take something over as the maintainer other people may even start sending you grumbly notes about yet more bugs. What to do, then? Pay attention to the people who keep asking you, in many different ways, what it is you want to DO with FreeBSD?=C2=A0 Figure out what ports would= assist you in achieving this.=C2=A0 Look at those ports...are they all up-to-date?=C2=A0 If you find a port that seems useful to you but there a= re upstream updates, particularly if associated with severe security alerts, that haven't shown up yet in the port tree, do the research to figure out if there is a maintainer who can explain what's happening, a maintainer who would be thrilled if you offered to work on it, or no maintainer at all.=C2=A0 Proceed accordingly. There's plenty of work to do just keeping everything updated.... And a meta-comment:=C2=A0 I'm not you and you're not me, and I'm quite su= re that your mileage will vary, but I personally find it much easier to find the time, energy, and focus to truly learn a tool if I (or somebody paying me to do useful things) use that tool to actually do something useful. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms090605060807040009090105 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC C9owggXmMIIDzqADAgECAhBqm+E4O/8ra58B1dm4p1JWMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBDAUAMIGFMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFDT01PRE8gQ0EgTGltaXRlZDErMCkGA1UEAxMiQ09NT0RPIFJTQSBD ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTAeFw0xMzAxMTAwMDAwMDBaFw0yODAxMDkyMzU5NTla 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