From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 21 07:13:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D79106566B for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 870F08FC0A for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3669 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 2012 07:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2012 07:13:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=rNSn8sMoMuITte4QO2DJsfT2AU2s3x4VgcDkyQb0ICY=; b=Dt1W1QGbLJZcf/TpArzN+wUQ2TYlq6F3HTQhuYeWJtuNM5TIKR5b+e9PPpeSKc+tQknDr2GG/nn1e3/ZWYUSC2CPfYV9beKcgEUvrbYVU4cGFR+Zr0I7txi35WuQCk6c; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RoV8k-0002VF-H8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:13:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:13:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120121071331.GA32682@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F180C83.9090100@my.gd> <4F19279F.6060303@a1poweruser.com> <201201202243.01861.koggybsd@comcast.net> <45C8C855-AA1F-4F9E-A274-29F6D92E5DB8@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45C8C855-AA1F-4F9E-A274-29F6D92E5DB8@fisglobal.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: * Re: Horrible installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:13:31 -0000 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:19:32PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:43 PM, gore wrote: > > > > why not just use 8.x or something? I'm not being sarcastic > > or anything either, I really am asking why not jut go to 8.2 which I > > also Loved? > > SU+J by Kirk McKusick ?? :-D There are things 9.0 offers that earlier versions do not. I think 9.0 is the first where the entire base system builds with Clang without issues, for instance (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The big thing I wanted in 9.0 actually got pushed back to 9.1 at least, so I'm still waiting for that, but that too indicates a reason that someone might not be satisfied with 8.2. As I mentioned earlier, it seems to me (as an outsider to the installer development process) that offering a choice between sysinstall and bsdinstall for at least one RELEASE of FreeBSD might have been a good idea, to give users a transition period and ensure that if there are some unforseen show-stoppers that did not appear in testing there would still be an option for those who need it. After talking some more to people who actually know a bit about how the installers work, I still don't see why that would not be the better choice. On the other hand, bsdinstall does get the job done, at least for my purposes. It just does so in a way that feels a bit more straightjacketed, and it rubs me personally a bit the wrong way. Your mileage may vary, and it certainly has not been a show-stopper for me so far. The actual installed OS is still my favorite, and when forced to screw around with something like Debian or (heaven forfend) MS Windows, it makes me want to tear my hair out or cry or break something. In the final analysis, the worst this has done for me is make me feel just slightly inconvenienced during installation, having to restart the installation process more often when I made a misstep for instance. No biggie, I guess. It's certainly not worth giving up being able to build the whole base system with Clang instead of GCC to have sysinstall instead of bsdinstall. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]