From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 18 13:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28954 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28828 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (ferengal-1-65.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.128.65]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id PAA01361; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:44:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02181; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:44:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980518204426.ZM2180@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:44:26 +0000 In-Reply-To: Atipa "Why we should support Microsoft..." (May 18, 11:23am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Atipa , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You obviously miss-understand the issues regarding monopolies and free competition. Should we support Microsoft, you haven't set forth one solid reason for it. Frank On May 18, 11:23am, Atipa wrote: > Subject: Why we should support Microsoft... > > > > > I know I am going out on a limbe here, but I do not think the Justice > Department should make any decisions on the software industry, and I think > Microsoft should be allowed to ship whatever the hell it wants. > > We are told that this is a free, capitalistic country, but now they want > to say it is just sort-of capitalistic? That you can make all the money > you want, until you make too much? What kind of crap is that? > > I belive in economic Darwinism; that is to say, good products flourish and > poor products wilt away. The consumer ultimately decides what sells and > what doesn't, and not the providers. If Win98 stinks, I hope it dies and > forces MS to make better products. But who am I to say what they should or > should not try to do? > > Adding insult to this whole situation are the demands of the US > Government. Now these are plain silly, and I applaud Bill Gates for > telling them where to go with their suggesions: > > * That Microsoft disable their browser, and _all_available_means > of accessing it. This is _almost_ reasonable, but I can > understand the common vision of PC's as extensions to the > Internet. To make a browser part of an OS seems like a really > cool idea to me. Now I do agree 100% that other browsers should > be able to operate in the new environment (eg, no MS booby traps > or proprietary mumbo jumbo to prevent competition) > > * If MS does include a browser, they must also provide all > competing products as well. Can you say horse? That is > entirely ludicrous. To paraphrase Bill Gates, "It is like having > to include 2 cans of Pepsi in every Coke six pack." Amen. > As I said, take off the restrictions and let the best product > win. As consumers, _WE_ are the ones getting hosed in this > ordeal, not Microsoft. > > * MS must modify their "Window Manager" so that OEMs and > competitors can customize their visual. How would all the > developers of FreeBSD feel if I took a FreeBSD release, changed > the GUI a bit, and called it AtipaOS? You would feel smited. > Also, the continuity of the UI is the only thing that makes > supporting this crap OS possible. If everyone had their own > interface, providers would have a bear of a time giving > accurate, detailed instructions. > > We must take a stand, and tell the Justice Deptartment to bugger off. They > do not understand the software industry, they are setting a horrible > precendent, and depriving the American people of free choice. > > They are ruining a good, competitive environment by degrading the efforts > of the front runner, instead of promoting the laggers. We are all losing > out. > > The issue to me is not whether or not Win98 is good or bad, the issue is > freedom. I support Bill Gates in this issue, and hope you will as well. > Hopefully, this product will fail all on its own, and open the doors to > good programmers all over the world, without US ecomonic intervention. > > I hope you all can see through this junk. Liberty must be preserved. Let > the best products win, and let MS die on its own two feet. > > Kevin > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Atipa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message