From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 00:04:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5E106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE84D8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2462607vbm.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v1WhHPeV21ExvsriCvFkHZfrYRE1+T3yEEbDynfT0fo=; b=BsE4DgZofPjP9GJ2DuApsekylOxXkoW9KhmedyS3kvGMwVgeQ8DVkYUthK13qcWVZh HmK/DmtDpIKYNxLc7nyVXG9gTeImS2e2wv7/Uvk4oxtdo0rRPgp/sDw7zWdm7fvQIcBf kfKMCOCGMV/za+IvLAvJttfO3GgFLIqtfT9TabRyqTyiUlvPnJx77+nTTHZSVG4Gtvfk NyrchmX2VTxOXewg9AoSpZJuhAWYjGKCVRDbOjJVnDzoHB7whR+VlOST5TnK06GJe1Dd BK9MR3IgIcsEdxnWiB7r3uetne//oqMXTSaIwDS5AO06XbK/fW7dwLiW2p0Eg1/1Fyuo 19FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.172.172 with SMTP id bd12mr1065183vdc.69.1333843481051; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:04:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 00:04:42 -0000 Hello! Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music primarily on FreeBSD? Thanks! 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none Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:33:52 -0700 From: Robert To: Jeff Tipton Message-ID: <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> In-Reply-To: <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> References: <4F7FDB1D.6020608@mail.com> <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xfburn and k3b on FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE can't find LITE-ON DVDRW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 00:34:15 -0000 On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0300 Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 04/07/2012 09:13, Jeff Tipton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I can't get any GUI tool working with my LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S > > (IDE) on 9.0-RELEASE (packages and ports tree are in sync from the > > release date). > > > > atapicam is compiled in GENERIC kernel now, so no need for this > > module. > > > > I recompiled cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, and hal. > > > > cdrecord works after that (tried to blank some CDs and burn some > > ISOs). > > > > But xfburn crashes: > > (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, > > optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 > > > > (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, > > optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 > > ** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 1.2.0 > > ** Message: Using HAL > > xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate ioctl for > > device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate > > ioctl for device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: > > Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > > ** ERROR **: Device address does not lead to a burner > > '/dev/cd0' (ret=0). aborting... > > > > [1] Abort xfburn (core dumped) > > > > Exactly the same result when run as root. > > > > k3b starts but shows a warning message in a popup window: > > No optical drive found. > > K3b did not find any optical device in your system. > > Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for > > finding devices. > > > > Of course, HAL is running. > > > > brasero starts ok and doesn't complain at all; it just doesn't show > > any devices. > > > > camcontrol devlist output: > > > > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > > (pass0,ada0) at scbus0 target 1 > > lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus1 > > target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass2) > > > > This is what I tried to set to make it work: > > > > /etc/devfs.conf: > > # CDROM > > own cd0 root:operator > > perm cd0 0660 > > > > own pass2 root:operator > > perm pass2 0666 > > > > own xpt0 root:operator > > perm xpt0 0666 > > > > /etc/devfs.rules: > > [system=5] > > #CD/DVD > > add path 'cd*' mode 0666 group operator > > add path 'pass*' mode 0666 group operator > > add path 'xpt*' mode 0666 group operator > > > > /etc/rc.conf: > > devfs_system_ruleset="system" > > > > No CD-related entries in /etc/fstab. > > Added myself to the operator group. > > SUID flags: > > ll /usr/local/bin | grep cdr > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 578088 Dec 3 02:30 cdrdao > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 402768 Feb 22 15:33 cdrecord > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 136428 Dec 3 10:08 cdrskin > > > > Permissions on /dev files: > > #ll /dev |grep cd > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 91 Apr 6 15:18 cd0 > > # ll /dev | grep pass > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 83 Apr 6 15:18 pass0 > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 6 15:18 pass1 > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 85 Apr 6 15:18 pass2 > > # ll /dev | grep xpt > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 68 Apr 6 15:18 xpt0 > > > > # sysctl hw.ata.atapi_dma > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 > > > > What could be wrong? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Some news. I found out that xfburn depends on libburn, so I > recompiled libburn, too. Now xfburn seems to work (could blank a > disk, write an ISO image, write files to a disk). > > As for k3b (which I would prefer), nothing changed. Only I found that > when I insert a disk before launching k3b, it finds the drive as > read-only. Now the popup window says: > No CD/DVD/BD writer found. > K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you > will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use > other K3b features such as audio track extraction, audio transcoding > or ISO9660 image creation. > > In Settings > Devices dialog, "Writers" are shown as "none", and > /dev/cd0 is under "Read-only Drives". There are blank squares against > "Vendor" and "Firmware", and "Error" against "Write Capabilities:". > For what it is worth, I had a similar problem with FreeBSD 9 back in the Beta days. IIRC I had to rebuild cdparanoia and then K3B and all was working again. YMMV Good Luck Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 01:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B0106567F for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D939E8FC1D for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so1886482yhg.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :x-kmail-markup:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:x-gm-message-state; bh=+vcBFG0VgTVddsZp6m/0bJZEafFqa5UgEEJdZpnzIYg=; b=ikKZjd1Ij+dVia7V544E4s7cd4lQa6+z/p/1yZMtvcBs9V8KOxhFLMM6jCl3RniJ+5 FkqyFtifbHoFcXtEx+UFBTHHzndK1UmH2a468f6vn5aCExwwUBhV3k3V0o89ifeaxU6c BM1hridQVB9PaFRjb60kHmVNbzfmuK99oa/UgiqkTdwREl/2L8bNyNLINUPS1l49Ndxf uMHJHDI+XGjrR9ABhM+2X+2OyAuV7M/lgvWe4/xMl1ONdUBxx1NAcfHl1ljeG9I+nC5U HxLBxJMkRHtPtrCypIpUDRQa1hva9RChEeyYnjHR6XedJLYbwbh2u1d3vS+UI+52DGsj cQTw== Received: by 10.101.11.6 with SMTP id o6mr676999ani.47.1333849134013; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.41.11.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm47155765yhk.2.2012.04.07.18.38.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:39:02 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt0iXDUf31wXqt2byRdOPr1N46drO+lz3aZTxZcAJl+8JI5VAt3KmKThQeATBr/rjy63xo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:38:55 -0000 On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > primarily on FreeBSD? > > Thanks! > > Tony Man, that has been my dream for a good while! Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional sound boards. I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by gravity. I hope I don't blow up my desktop. I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 03:28:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B44106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E578FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 431955C22 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:42:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:28:52 -0000 On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music >> primarily on FreeBSD? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Tony > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And FBSD itself > has lots of issues with MIDI. > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional sound boards. > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is try to > port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I can manage to do > that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by gravity. > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a way to support it). We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. 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Sabatier" To: Mario Lobo Message-ID: <20120408002146.2ed24f3a@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:21:59 -0000 On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:39:02 -0300 Mario Lobo wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > > primarily on FreeBSD? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tony > > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And > FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional > sound boards. > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is > try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I > can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by > gravity. > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's eager to hear of any progress you may make with this most ambitious undertaking of yours. :-) Keep us posted, please? Conrad (who can't even get Rosegarden to run at all lately) :-( -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:31:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13182106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12368FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6265413iah.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CxFhdDyHfk6pDRd45KyczZW+SLLd2/qmqcbf1tw03oE=; b=q/eoH5ec4rNNnsgvuIZzIid35RPgKQ/6mxwdgRkopeDRCREgqgxdPQmAzSH/foIpwW g1AdeJqtMX6+yoL3XcnJbW/PD5PXMYSoCTgSyXvqYZXpzghHZtpSucyEdQozcAFnF+aS aiSuYxl9p8mv5Fb5sO+u1SPkZp/huq5qOpi+WJCrNEHk94/XyYR9OHLYazviNG73vL9G SclkA0Os2pnjHcCROk1YcAeHt8nHHM2ZQzCLuoHQeJPw/GpgQz5+BUihj8IfOxUVVxNd fdfO41mwJ0RLhwjZYXpaioqYlojWIXbdyhShAd0Le7BJ6u4S7TzdbautxHloGD71RfNP NhIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.167 with SMTP id gr7mr2104510igc.8.1333863090264; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:31:31 -0000 Dear folks, Has anyone seen the following message: GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? This is the first time I see this error message when running ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these messages when invoking ps2pdf? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:32:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CB91065674 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7257F8FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120408053240.JVOA18243.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net>; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:32:40 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.206]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id vHYf1i00K4T5sES02HYfQN; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:32:40 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4F8122F8.0018,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CRPD+Qc8oD39miT01U+idCnfgtTI0UgUfEDugnPCZ2w= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:17 a=ZaDg5-L3AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=bA2S0DTPQ3IFGVK6C7EA:9 a=CM9hKCVZNI0TaEdd3CkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q385Wd1V053853; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:32:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:32:36 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Da Rock Message-ID: <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:32:46 -0000 On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > >> Hello! > >> > >> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > >> primarily on FreeBSD? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Tony > > > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And > > FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. > > > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional > > sound boards. > > > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which > > is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. > > If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my > > lap by gravity. > > > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > > > I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the > wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use > FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a > way to support it). > > We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a > usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. > > The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for > midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in > the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app > like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. > > Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it > does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. > Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - > must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for > jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... Yes, Rosegarden is a very nice app; it's just too bad we can't get true MIDI working with it under FreeBSD. As an amateur (frustrated?) composer, I *really* like the notation editing. For several months now, I've been unable to use Rosegarden at all (under 10-CURRENT). It crashes very early on startup. Haven't been able to track this one down yet. Gosh, how I miss my early days with FreeBSD and my Soundblaster AWE64 with the special MIDI apps for it in the ports collection (back in the good ol' days when OSS was our soundsystem). > The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our > case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made > sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the > portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the > midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) > > The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - > if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through > jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. > > And dont forget lilypond for notation... :) I wish driver coding and such were more my area of expertise; I'd gladly lend a hand to any efforts to improve our MIDI support. Unfortunately, every time I've tried looking at any of the actual code for the sound subsystem, it's left me in a veritable mystified stupor. :-) And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. This is really my single, my one-and-only gripe with FreeBSD: MIDI! Used to have a nice setup that was working beautifully, pretty much comparable to what you might find under Windows or Mac. But the whole thing got yanked out and replaced with the newpcm stuff back in -- what year was it? -- sometime in the late 90s. Most unfortunate. I and a number of others protested at the time, that we were having functionality ripped out with no viable replacement in sight, and sadly, that's still pretty much the case. MIDI support in FreeBSD has never been the same since. :-( Oh well, I'll shut up now. Hate to come off as a whiner or something. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:46:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93E91065672 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5234B8FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Apr 2012 05:46:45 -0000 Received: from host117.apollo.lv (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [81.198.136.117] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 08 Apr 2012 01:46:45 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18fEUogqOIf5eP2i0rURQYntXezUoCA4neHvbyTDn UYT/bN1+iklgII Message-ID: <4F812640.40406@mail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:46:40 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F7FDB1D.6020608@mail.com> <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> In-Reply-To: <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: xfburn and k3b on FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE can't find LITE-ON DVDRW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:46:52 -0000 On 04/08/2012 03:33, Robert wrote: > On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0300 > Jeff Tipton wrote: > >> On 04/07/2012 09:13, Jeff Tipton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I can't get any GUI tool working with my LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S >>> (IDE) on 9.0-RELEASE (packages and ports tree are in sync from the >>> release date). >>> >>> atapicam is compiled in GENERIC kernel now, so no need for this >>> module. >>> >>> I recompiled cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, and hal. >>> >>> cdrecord works after that (tried to blank some CDs and burn some >>> ISOs). >>> >>> But xfburn crashes: >>> (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, >>> optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 >>> >>> (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, >>> optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 >>> ** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 1.2.0 >>> ** Message: Using HAL >>> xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate ioctl for >>> device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate >>> ioctl for device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: >>> Inappropriate ioctl for device >>> >>> ** ERROR **: Device address does not lead to a burner >>> '/dev/cd0' (ret=0). aborting... >>> >>> [1] Abort xfburn (core dumped) >>> >>> Exactly the same result when run as root. >>> >>> k3b starts but shows a warning message in a popup window: >>> No optical drive found. >>> K3b did not find any optical device in your system. >>> Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for >>> finding devices. >>> >>> Of course, HAL is running. >>> >>> brasero starts ok and doesn't complain at all; it just doesn't show >>> any devices. >>> >>> camcontrol devlist output: >>> >>> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 >>> (pass0,ada0) at scbus0 target 1 >>> lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus1 >>> target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass2) >>> >>> This is what I tried to set to make it work: >>> >>> /etc/devfs.conf: >>> # CDROM >>> own cd0 root:operator >>> perm cd0 0660 >>> >>> own pass2 root:operator >>> perm pass2 0666 >>> >>> own xpt0 root:operator >>> perm xpt0 0666 >>> >>> /etc/devfs.rules: >>> [system=5] >>> #CD/DVD >>> add path 'cd*' mode 0666 group operator >>> add path 'pass*' mode 0666 group operator >>> add path 'xpt*' mode 0666 group operator >>> >>> /etc/rc.conf: >>> devfs_system_ruleset="system" >>> >>> No CD-related entries in /etc/fstab. >>> Added myself to the operator group. >>> SUID flags: >>> ll /usr/local/bin | grep cdr >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 578088 Dec 3 02:30 cdrdao >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 402768 Feb 22 15:33 cdrecord >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 136428 Dec 3 10:08 cdrskin >>> >>> Permissions on /dev files: >>> #ll /dev |grep cd >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 91 Apr 6 15:18 cd0 >>> # ll /dev | grep pass >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 83 Apr 6 15:18 pass0 >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 6 15:18 pass1 >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 85 Apr 6 15:18 pass2 >>> # ll /dev | grep xpt >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 68 Apr 6 15:18 xpt0 >>> >>> # sysctl hw.ata.atapi_dma >>> hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 >>> >>> What could be wrong? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> Some news. I found out that xfburn depends on libburn, so I >> recompiled libburn, too. Now xfburn seems to work (could blank a >> disk, write an ISO image, write files to a disk). >> >> As for k3b (which I would prefer), nothing changed. Only I found that >> when I insert a disk before launching k3b, it finds the drive as >> read-only. Now the popup window says: >> No CD/DVD/BD writer found. >> K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you >> will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use >> other K3b features such as audio track extraction, audio transcoding >> or ISO9660 image creation. >> >> In Settings> Devices dialog, "Writers" are shown as "none", and >> /dev/cd0 is under "Read-only Drives". There are blank squares against >> "Vendor" and "Firmware", and "Error" against "Write Capabilities:". >> > For what it is worth, I had a similar problem with FreeBSD 9 back in > the Beta days. IIRC I had to rebuild cdparanoia and then K3B and all > was working again. > > YMMV > > Good Luck > > Robert Thank you, it works now! 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:10:42 -0000 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working > right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, > ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. That "should" only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE in the 3 port files where it appears: timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) timidity++-motif/Makefile timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:19:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C0E106578B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0D8FC17 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120408081923.XVZQ1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net>; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:19:23 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.206]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id vLKN1i0074T5sES02LKPiP; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 04:19:23 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F814A0B.0043,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=a5rW3OQRbFEdgKwo7xIr8Mdf8rAK9H2b+63LvJ58Ve0= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:17 a=GKysJfYJAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=NwxCcvBHz9yqPMzTeXcA:9 a=sSvrbya712sadIruPNsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q388JMS6053245; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:19:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:19:16 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20120408031916.62d7b010@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4f81a879.VxiEgEk4mW5r1GL7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> <4f81a879.VxiEgEk4mW5r1GL7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:19:33 -0000 On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:02:17 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working > > right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, > > ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. > > That "should" only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE > in the 3 port files where it appears: > > timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) > timidity++-motif/Makefile > timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) Yes, I took a look at the port one day not too long ago, but ran into some unexpected difficulties with it, which I can't recall exactly at the moment. What I thought would be a simple search-and-replace thing turned out to have some surprises hidden away up in there. I'll have to take another shot at it, as my memory of what exactly the problem was is completely blank right now. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:41:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A35106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636F38FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38DF15C22 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:55:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F814F49.6070603@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:41:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:41:46 -0000 On 04/08/12 15:32, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 > Da Rock wrote: > >> On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music >>>> primarily on FreeBSD? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Tony >>> Man, that has been my dream for a good while! >>> >>> Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And >>> FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. >>> >>> Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional >>> sound boards. >>> >>> I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which >>> is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. >>> If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my >>> lap by gravity. >>> >>> I hope I don't blow up my desktop. >>> >>> I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. >>> >> I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the >> wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use >> FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a >> way to support it). >> >> We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a >> usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. >> >> The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for >> midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in >> the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app >> like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. >> >> Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it >> does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. >> Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - >> must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for >> jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... > Yes, Rosegarden is a very nice app; it's just too bad we can't get true > MIDI working with it under FreeBSD. As an amateur (frustrated?) > composer, I *really* like the notation editing. I don't know about not having true midi, midi seems fine its just the software is (for some inexplicable reason) not supporting OSS anymore and chasing the horrid monster that is alsa. Even jack supports the freebsd midi using the daemon, but the software doesn't suport jack midi. Like I said: madness... > > For several months now, I've been unable to use Rosegarden at all > (under 10-CURRENT). It crashes very early on startup. Haven't been > able to track this one down yet. > > Gosh, how I miss my early days with FreeBSD and my Soundblaster AWE64 > with the special MIDI apps for it in the ports collection (back in the > good ol' days when OSS was our soundsystem). > >> The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our >> case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made >> sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the >> portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the >> midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) >> >> The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - >> if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through >> jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. >> >> And dont forget lilypond for notation... :) > I wish driver coding and such were more my area of expertise; I'd > gladly lend a hand to any efforts to improve our MIDI support. > Unfortunately, every time I've tried looking at any of the actual code > for the sound subsystem, it's left me in a veritable mystified > stupor. :-) > > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The > Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal > of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. > > This is really my single, my one-and-only gripe with FreeBSD: MIDI! > Used to have a nice setup that was working beautifully, pretty much > comparable to what you might find under Windows or Mac. But the whole > thing got yanked out and replaced with the newpcm stuff back in -- what > year was it? -- sometime in the late 90s. Most unfortunate. I and a > number of others protested at the time, that we were having > functionality ripped out with no viable replacement in sight, and > sadly, that's still pretty much the case. MIDI support in FreeBSD has > never been the same since. :-( The replacement is there now, but everything else has moved on. > > Oh well, I'll shut up now. Hate to come off as a whiner or > something. :-) > No, I'd call it constructive criticism. Once my wife gets on my back about it I imagine I'll be driving it all forward again, so maybe there will be hope :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:53:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F52106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from airosovicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4838FC12 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so6236103obb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fEAopIpvbPR42llDDPaz3WM838EF0OmV5+XjeEQw9cg=; b=P64w7BYVlq6GD2akt3yNUmxASwWjLqjr/Q95Xn5eLXQUQPf1PPJKK/KvST9F1pjxYK gvB5zV6vAdHzz+8oH2KOI1B4Zvr6TzDp5LQ/mcdxbmHeZYgwT92cI29P0GMPBBSo7CDj tq2kumsB/rIFultTvS8xsW1UzjSarVo8DhTWwL1ChHEvszL0iepxLUTKtE3OUdNLJXZg vwqdjxiQde80QjUmy3o0iGieTyml9uu2C7B3AsOHDmjdlwhtDJ/3LhRD9cxA7Uzg32YR tkRAU1JewL1/jN8SYM0hi00HmbIz9Xos5JUrOPr2E5Bwhc5FPvKphAS+Y0f1uS6206I1 +oPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.74.8 with SMTP id p8mr4848880obv.41.1333875235909; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.37.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:53:56 -0000 Greetings all, It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists & I'm fairly new to FreeBSD to please bear with me.. So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. # cvsup.. Done.. # make buildworld.. Done.. # make buildkernel.. Done.. # make installkernel.. Done.. # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel & came up with the following.. peggy# ls -l /dev/ad* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 79 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 82 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a > > peggy# cat /etc/fstab > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad2s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a > # /dev/ad2s1a: > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 20044017 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28552 > c: 20044017 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, > don't edit > > peggy# fsck > ** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE) > ** Last Mounted on / > ** Root file system > ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > 415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.8% > fragmentation) > > peggy# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 7 0xc0400000 bb5504 kernel > 2 1 0xc2e1a000 26000 linux.ko > I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't seem to find out how to overcome this problem.. Many thanx in advance for any assistance.. Regards, E. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:00:52 -0000 On 8 April 2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > Greetings all, > > It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists & I'm fairly new to FreeBSD = to > please bear with me.. > > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. > > # cvsup.. Done.. > # make buildworld.. =C2=A0Done.. > # make buildkernel.. Done.. > # make installkernel.. Done.. > # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to > /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} > > I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel & came up > with the following.. > > peggy# ls -l /dev/ad* >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A079 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2 >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A082 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2s1 >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A084 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a >> >> peggy# cat /etc/fstab >> # Device =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mountpoint =C2=A0 =C2=A0FStype =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Options =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dump =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pass# >> /dev/ad2s1a =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ufs = =C2=A0 =C2=A0rw =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 >> /dev/acd0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/cdrom =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0c= d9660 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ro,noauto =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 >> >> peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a >> # /dev/ad2s1a: >> 8 partitions: >> # =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0size =C2=A0 offset =C2=A0 =C2=A0fstype =C2= =A0 [fsize bsize bps/cpg] >> =C2=A0 a: 20044017 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.2BSD =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 2048 16384 28552 >> =C2=A0 c: 20044017 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unused =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # "ra= w" part, >> don't edit >> >> peggy# fsck >> ** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE) >> ** Last Mounted on / >> ** Root file system >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups >> 415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.= 8% >> fragmentation) >> >> peggy# kldstat >> Id Refs Address =C2=A0 =C2=A0Size =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Name >> =C2=A01 =C2=A0 =C2=A07 0xc0400000 bb5504 =C2=A0 kernel >> =C2=A02 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 0xc2e1a000 26000 =C2=A0 =C2=A0linux.ko >> > > I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't see= m > to find out how to overcome this problem.. > > Many thanx in advance for any assistance.. > > Regards, > E. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" try specifying 'ufs:/dev/adas1a' at the kernel prompt or editing that into you fstab if you can. My devices changed and the 8-9 jump. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 09:54:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9429A1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148C68FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q389sPnM032634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:54:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q389sPnM032634 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q389sPnM032634; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4F816046.1080503@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:54:14 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?IkFpcm9zb86yaWN6IGZiLiI=?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9130B0860E7834EB22F0FD36" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:54:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9130B0860E7834EB22F0FD36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single= > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >=20 > # cvsup.. Done.. > # make buildworld.. Done.. > # make buildkernel.. Done.. > # make installkernel.. Done.. > # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to > /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} >=20 As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode -- which is fine, but you'ld have to go through the same sort of rigmarole again to revert back to 8.1 should that be necesssary. The preferred method nowadays is to label the partitions. There are three options: glabel(8) -- generic labels for geom devices, which will appear in /dev/label/foo tunefs(8) -- specifically the -L option. For UFS, labels will appear as /dev/ufs/foo gpart(8) -- GPT partitioning has built-in label support. Devices appear as /dev/gpt/foo (Additionally partitions can be referred to by uuid for the tunefs and gpart labelling schemes, but that's not relevant here.) Quite why FreeBSD needs so many different labelling schemes escapes me. gpart(8) labelling is the default for new installs of 9.0. However, given you're upgrading from 8.1, then you will likely be using MBR + bsdlabel oldstyle partitioning, so probably tunefs(8) labelling would be the best choice to get you through the 8.1 -> 9.0 reboot. ie. Create the label: # tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a then edit /etc/fstab so the line for the root filesystem reads like so: /dev/ufs/ROOT / ufs rw 0 1 Repeat this for all the other UFS filesystems you have -- a good system is to label them according to their mountpoint (USR, VAR, HOME, LOCAL, and so forth.) This should work with both 8.1 and 9.0 kernels -- however, untested, so apply appropriate levels of caution. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:32:44 -0000 from Xavier : > I have: > casa# disktype /dev/da1 > --- /dev/da1 > Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) > FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) > BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions > Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) > Type 0 (Unused) > DOS/MBR partition map > Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) > Type 0x83 (Linux) > Ext3 file system > UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) > Last mounted at "/" > Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) > Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) > Type 0x05 (Extended) > Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) > Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) > Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian > Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) > I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE > I try: > casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ > mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument > How can I mount it ? I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. What does (running from Linux) fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I'm still not sure how or if FreeBSD supports ext3fs as opposed to ext2fs. I don't see the rationale for setting up an extended partition when you only use two partitions. The second (Linux swap) partition could be primary, and you would be well under the quota of four primary partitions. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 10:45:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2437106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1858FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr20 with SMTP id r20so1941180ghr.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u0GwcXrh1KcP7cBzQ9bSr3w2mF8gXcNMMwQud2++Jf8=; b=kNwkO+ZG+Ert/bWhcIC5wLeBs4R/nSeL8He+cU/fpn3yKQkIQjGInzuPItmtGpwV7X MnZubSXJqsPIPumswUhATnev4kR+motOHpDr9v2PgNr83Vak8GvLw2rskY2vswzxNEfO v6FwuZ/trJv6MgdaUzmWqvLMijDQh+9PLHlWf+s+S+85flJF2DHLtTd/JO4nAVo+Uawj ErNGAa6NHZpau3ntrNq+gTyH6bN5fPtuBvzeX82iYQvf2WdWZalN4wNaOnzT039hsgGG d/YfeLyOGe8GG7N6UyebkAia/xiL2fBvo0A3RDWX2vrS2isIiUME9RGa/NBhM2misvXp kHrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr2918502yhm.113.1333881915827; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.35.3 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:45:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE mount Ext3 file system ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:45:17 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 06:32:36AM -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote: Hi Thomas, > from Xavier : > > > I have: > > > casa# disktype /dev/da1 > > > --- /dev/da1 > > Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) > > FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) > > BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions > > Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) > > Type 0 (Unused) > > DOS/MBR partition map > > Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) > > Type 0x83 (Linux) > > Ext3 file system > > UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) > > Last mounted at "/" > > Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) > > Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) > > Type 0x05 (Extended) > > Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) > > Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) > > Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian > > Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) > > > I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE > > > I try: > > > casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ > > mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument > > > How can I mount it ? > > I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. > > What does (running from Linux) > > fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll run that command line from a GNU/Linux ( not from FreeBSD ) ? > > How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I don't probe it. /dev/da1 is a USB pen drive with GNU/Linux OS. Well, I wait to confirm that command ... Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:06:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFD7106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FC58FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2012 08:06:06 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BRO13638; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:06:02 -0400 To: Antonio Olivares In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:06:13 -0000 Antonio Olivares writes: > Has anyone seen the following message: > > GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? > > This is the first time I see this error message when running > ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these > messages when invoking ps2pdf? I have not seen this message. However, I note Freetype(2) recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and could this be the cause of this problem? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:40:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAAF106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613CD8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so1994070vcm.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z/4M7gaUSJcT3hAYvC9P56QxvNZk1O6pWuuWiPdN0HI=; b=mOwliuF05Med9IHhWsjL4xG9krRMvacLRVy5VE2sGzA4udq6ZOwsW/4TKjBgdRC682 TPsIDnniJFwImpdK3vmbQlMiEW+2bcxVWdAJLbg41K4k5f8dNIsdLQxyN/IopuUScN3T Jr4JwFKE4xJaslo2GQK2ClJpQOMoNWXFrqEUxLce2fRs8O0MvLs0NqSqftllYQIe4f/0 xcu3uKoqXAcLcrVOF5VFxOwT7r57AjjaNeyNSPWhqOxta5hu02P62h5qIXgd1LjOlBrq hdXCcobPlQvn7VzphrxBjTY/VsnQBwMfn83VHYzHdjoFhKUa/MEjxoThOATMwvMMxSBx gnxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.152.205 with SMTP id h13mr2207333vcw.12.1333888812586; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:40:18 -0000 Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres Logos ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design . There is no natural flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helvetica. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:19:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF09106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C338FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q38DJ6Ii001044; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:19:09 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:18:22 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204082018.22045.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tony Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:19:23 -0000 Hi, not again. Erich On Sunday 08 April 2012 19:40:12 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres > Logos > ) > > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual > education in design . There is no natural > flow and the whole thing just > comes off as corny - > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for > stealing its design. > > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. > No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the > world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go > out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as > current now as it will be a hundred years from now. > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when > there's nothing left to take away." > > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:22:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C525A1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FF08FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2646448vbm.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a/PFkjfdtp1zenMFCW9oTgMjdtKx83t+kuKRX+buyaM=; b=DQHymmW1DqtrtgLqAn+zEX1M9pfE9uxROzxEH2bR/hY8aUXCY1GbpvanSNukCAesoJ O+hqetsq1mmPCJwCM4Tp6DJDTKLXbF15gtCLy+G966MNoj7rtsn9poxStWAUq5ALCb6+ cU2NtQU5DnhRlLlYkHCPKGWebLFDn2EB0C20Hq7cTyxYlyG/QJlYOyXC5wtxn0v13nGe Zmh80NoWWbZJLFp7y79+Z1tmLVYdW/dXqobLJlFS2vEdcawnlS+G5lSc1x25y2UDiUSF NKz8zU+pvmOBcKqMMgvVQg0faxgzrRvnUTqkYeczBBUTZDPwKj2CsaPv05Oh+mUmceDo pvPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.70 with SMTP id k6mr1685817vdf.86.1333891367706; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:22:49 -0000 Hello! I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scene (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? Why is FreeBSD hosting only reserved for the upper class, while the rest of us have to "settle for Linux"? Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. Just look at how well low-cost airlinesare doing. Thanks! Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:51:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A541106564A; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from airosovicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F978FC08; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so6415120obb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Tv/dVUjHuwiP14PXK5MvRzVhthLXyvXIoZ5HQ9jsdpU=; b=dx2+0/Mrv1Cer9sZYrbsHZzAsxwkoTfOPIOEeMHtXTRbs/hw6sGoJX5fKCj4K5rOjp 20Q8lzF30sAtXt8m6bcCaBFbXLr6UbC797+Nl+GQG8HIjJ0j0C+Fe8GFGv6JRrEvDbFY F5CwjFqKcdmPEMNoPsxgitHp5AvdlZDr1fjH7rTIqfzTjJGaBn8GLxBxqr892Dj9MzCJ RUDWULWm1qbPgYo9R1FI6c7sCp7YuwJvjhp9K7xVOpSrmAtNylluLAYRuW7Q9AtQx7VK TL3uhsBQoc92cOSR6J6F7QULux2k/h+XCCQTYP/3U6jOhLjLtGeI7gp9GQshia5LjNHJ rS8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.74.8 with SMTP id p8mr5795147obv.41.1333893100125; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.37.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:51:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matthew Seaman Subject: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:51:41 -0000 Hi Matthew, Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single > > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. > > As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to > the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 & ad2s1a do.. > One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the > loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode > Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. The preferred method nowadays is to label the partitions, so probably > tunefs(8) labelling would be the best choice to get you through > the 8.1 -> 9.0 reboot. ie. Create the label: > > # tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a > # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. Regards, E. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:06:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5530D106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D28FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=YhPGaPwRZlplFjNV0MOf4Vq7/0po/YhkD/lYNUNW/P8=; b=d1qrAyyx5py/478QAsa88j/ubWCZUcmRAe0s/Vd0QR3PDT48G8zE2Rd9AWJIaRNnu8nRY1fzAWeEFiux2NKdnHQVx+YBLANJuIm04HHFXt+k4EvfYobb8zpP0KJH7Ual+5Da79KxZlBkwroWgMaNTPs9zYs/F6okmfZoIWAjZds= Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.209.140]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4F819B4C.1030004@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:06:04 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2012 14:06:07.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE005860:01CD1590] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:06:12 -0000 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > Since you seem to know so much about web design WHY don't you create your version for review and maybe acceptance if the community likes it? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm53923847yhk.0.2012.04.08.07.30.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VQcVn04H1z2CG5m for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:30:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120408103008.7fab29b4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWSm3+ZPphsx0w66NEEdSpNMkRyNuzmSzaOkgS3S+Y8uM+qxhXiHcOF2QfJmYXADbwpqK2 Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:30:12 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Tony articulated: > Just look at how well low-cost airlines > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF724106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jwest@ezwind.net) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [209.145.140.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6628FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from LENOVOD6B52A6B by ezwind.net (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id 35-md50000130159.msg for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:37:16 -0500 From: "Jay West" To: "'Tony'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0VisZJg7wKNyx0QmufA6KAaqkW4wABU/pQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-Spam-Processed: gateway.ezwind.net, Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:37:16 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 71.14.76.230 X-Return-Path: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:37:24 -0000 Tony wrote... ------------------- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scene (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? ------------------- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:39:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF541065670; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A608FC08; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q38Ed4KZ007736; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q38Ed40c007733; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-7?Q?Airoso=E2icz_fb=2E?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthew Seaman , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:39:10 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Airoso?icz fb. wrote: > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from > ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original > post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 & ad2s1a do.. ada device numbering is relative, so the first drive found is always ada0. If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been removed from the custom kernel. > # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. > To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or > to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] > > # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. > > I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the > single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html shows a full example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:42:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47D7106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jwest@ezwind.net) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [209.145.140.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD288FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from LENOVOD6B52A6B by ezwind.net (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id 42-md50000130140.msg for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:41:22 -0500 From: "Jay West" To: "'Adam Vande More'" References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0UbUer4HBtbFpyTgOKPLy1f4RuzwBJ/YuQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-Spam-Processed: gateway.ezwind.net, Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:41:22 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 71.14.76.230 X-Return-Path: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: 'mikel king' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:42:00 -0000 Adam wrote... Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. ----------- Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for non-profits (museums, etc.) :) I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a looksee. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 16:17:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E57106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935EB8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6716541iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eHvSga7Vd+9kDY7c7HcG8aKnaGG3up0fb+d2g2APvZs=; b=Jnj9jckmtXpjlymQGlBU6zS0yBbacBYi/dPAhSB7cjBEVPNm5AMAcgjZH6Jkar7Rtf VleHzz3wV9sHvEvfDMWNVVPMOSV8wuyyd4yxoQ3qiJJyqNchWEOhlQg5vXQE2SM+j3y+ a88H7V8E414rcr/mewxrzA+8trshSGLJSHLFpFdY6hW29OoYfnOyPh5HGM+d8uspcrok lx7rGoIPg6QkGR27drF6N2mEswfn892xiINAcemlUrH8Wy7XusdXI28OP1IRuEzFgT84 c3KIL9HKvKfLw/uh5qg4+YAPDPwGJg4tHDw5VvPJ1pQGGKDAYI7vE+mslwCGHzfzBnRn y2hw== Received: by 10.42.139.9 with SMTP id e9mr2448030icu.43.1333901864088; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id md6sm28233242igc.0.2012.04.08.09.17.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 11:17:24 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:17:44 -0000 On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. > > On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >>> So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0& now the system can't mount in single >>> user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >> > > >> As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to >> the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. >> > > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from > ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original > post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1& ad2s1a do.. > > >> One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the >> loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode >> > > Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. > When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your fstab. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 16:21:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2E6106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7178FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6719351iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Gz6+IhAG7r/IDgKCfh2upYnZVXLgWWtFHkdjIq3osg=; b=iHGN3uV8zyjgGYn8aVtvzUyzutufyj/dn59z2HN61Exdlp0IT3LwLx1dWq+SWItkY0 DQDmzBCQ2cKU3nnxUx6t0hJ/n/bnVc8p3xjP9WZICvuNcSxEAW1fTKV7dYNqPB6+KemI f5B4AqNXcqk/qcZj/DpMTqSEyA1OKVS7UWm07sTwtaRDI7agDeLmxwp/fCeDYuDFVgqB czxIwSg9yWOl2MDZ1bLyRBfCyIXj9YAMmw6+cPSc5i0ueM1IqAQnMEDA/q+7IOSEnM1J rzpYMFTSGiSXjTUGyXPu2L1W422ILSW4Xx/3dKSAUumcqQnfPjq9eihkRrfCVSdnzHwO /WUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.138 with SMTP id v10mr3031728igm.18.1333902069281; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:21:09 -0000 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Antonio Olivares writes: > >> =A0Has anyone seen the following message: >> >> =A0GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return= code =3D -1? >> >> =A0This is the first time I see this error message when running >> =A0ps2pdf on FreeBSD. =A0Any pointers as to how to suppress these >> =A0messages when invoking ps2pdf? > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I have not seen this message. =A0However, I note Freetype(= 2) > recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and > could this be the cause of this problem? > That is it. The update in ports cures this message :) Thanks for the information. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 17:16:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E217106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B78FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q38Gui1b023569; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1434n69ax7-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.101] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:16:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <037B3FEC-F9C0-434F-BB9A-C299D4BE45B5@fisglobal.com> References: To: Tony X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-08_06:2012-04-05, 2012-04-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:16:58 -0000 On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Tony wrote: > Hello! >=20 > As much as I love FreeBSD, [snip] > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. [snip] > Tony [snip] > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ It's like a punch-line almost. I admit to enjoying the "Helvetica Trailer" video linked-to above. I even admit to liking the proposed motto's. But I disagree with any sentiment that designcouncil.org.uk embodies the sa= me clean lines and well-thought-out design that is being encouraged here. M= ost egregious is the mishmash of serif with sans-serif and misaligned conte= nt areas. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 17:51:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C29106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8355F8FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6791520iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ukvSKSZKm4kif46c/6wI7cEgWPVgZU5nENT15z03JAc=; b=DNEHMTWKnJk7crswSk2AZNIqdHCzULNqjJKFyNiwDm8ZDDMrH0JpNasrLYVb05nzSJ EOBOXCaBAgGs1o3PVKrDLcsTF7UgWCX75AGkqgsT9U0t42elpce2sORxtLWbBaYMrM/y hmb5B7JwePcpMZZ3Qh1SqD/os3wLHyJGFx2GK0hlBkdW7IEZMkv+NMMj+a2iqLCNbWoM qS0nswZheOnklS8+1jRrJ/PdhySiL1EmYKmyQc8XHHP4gAbQWlefTPWz8PKDwXTHeT3j 6rYTrFfjlxX4nrifTYn1cSNL6qYfmb7UgozPVVcTCYjEiKkTv2ATcwHUdky4EDbTsJxE JIlw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.138 with SMTP id v10mr3154374igm.18.1333907457610; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: icedtea-web with openjdk 7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:51:03 -0000 Dear folks, I am seeing that java 7 is now available and there is an openjdk 7 port. I have a question. I just want to have java jre only. Is there a way to use openjdk 7 with FreeBSD? and configure icedtea-web to use it? It selects openjdk6 as its dependency when configuring the port. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 21:44:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB0A106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7D48FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wern13 with SMTP id n13so3037205wer.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uX0QjLr6B52hFG7ioOpDJI/XNhLqu9LMl3DGCkeHlR4=; b=rfdQ3gygyKHFbGteKAa3nkoSXT0dBCR4ibJw+xkG3/cN1KTbRlcWXSKFf/jYZ3147N CX2kaDtGwb/FfHkzn+p3ebWLU1Bx71xChNmlWItfdDIGJkpVVnVV5IZt92p5qABuadem hYrWyVJKyJ/V8p49F//HB6DR00UuO5fuH2kGVQ1pqaSahLEVa/DSm0onGqiCsgQzrzAa 9MA3abDdFI78e+1oRqXnHDJH0LxoOp1YmjmZSKOLPqYtfTvnq3LzhCkacVnjnoHKG7jX ojDRFNqacFVawy0HJk4jPK38VNt07az4y4A4NclwfkEISKltHteODokaNzDr5+RD8D/v 1YBA== Received: by 10.216.85.81 with SMTP id t59mr2998757wee.28.1333921490573; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd4sm40938801wib.6.2012.04.08.14.44.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:44:47 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:44:52 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Tony wrote: > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page bangs-on about simplifying, and has a "fight bloat on your website" link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 23:04:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A99C1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0AF8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Apr 2012 23:03:55 -0000 Received: from g229013113.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.178.28]) [92.229.13.113] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us008) with SMTP; 08 Apr 2012 19:03:55 -0400 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NPgRYNukNSr+lju11bTwcTLZpw86d1ttPbI3nSi UXlMATQHIcJsrc Message-ID: <4F821954.1060302@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:03:48 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay West References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> In-Reply-To: <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: 'Adam Vande More' , 'mikel king' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:04:03 -0000 On 4/8/2012 4:41 PM, Jay West wrote: > Adam wrote... > > Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you > have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. > > ----------- > Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be > entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I > checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for > non-profits (museums, etc.) :) > > I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x > and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a > looksee. > > J > Hi, You could try finding an "ethernet to token ring" translating bridge, though I am not aware of the budget will need - or if you'll find one anyways. Just a thought, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 23:49:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995C106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC3A8FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4287B5C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:02:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F8223FB.8070305@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:49:15 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:49:24 -0000 On 04/09/12 02:17, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >> Hi Matthew, >> >> Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. >> >> On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >>>> So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0& now the system can't mount in >>>> single >>>> user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >>> >> >> >>> As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to >>> the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. >>> >> >> It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from >> ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original >> post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1& ad2s1a >> do.. >> >> >>> One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the >>> loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode >>> >> >> Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. >> > > When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type > lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one > looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's > done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your > fstab. From a theoretical point of view (I'll have to consider this for my own needs in the near future) I'd say the labeling option mentioned by Warren would be better for the long term. It may seem a little complicated to setup but it will work just about anywhere. If you continue with devices as you are at the moment you run the risk of having this trouble every time something changes. My 2c. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 00:00:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDAC106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43EF8FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D743A5C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:14:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82269C.2030701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:00:28 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:00:30 -0000 On 04/09/12 07:44, RW wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 > Tony wrote: > >> Tony >> http://siegelgale.com/ > The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. > > Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page > bangs-on about simplifying, and has a "fight bloat on your website" > link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. > > It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page > move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can > forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. > The FreeBSD site is accessible (as is legal required) and to the point. That is what matters. It provides all the information needed and communicates it exceedingly well. FreeBSD is a no nonsense get the job done without bloat OS: the site communicates that as well, and communication is not just about the words. My 2c. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 01:08:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DC6106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9798FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q390oSZn071636; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q390oS9R071635; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Jay West Message-ID: <20120409005028.GB71564@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: 'Tony' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:08:59 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:37:15AM -0500, Jay West wrote: > Tony wrote... > ------------------- > I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based > hosting providers in the modern web development > scene (Rackspace, > Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are > some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but > those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. > > Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? > ------------------- > > One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) > > I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have > to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's > fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) > environments. The answer is: > > 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the > running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the > right direction, but really not the answer. > 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without > it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting > environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice > features aren't available. > > If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a > guest in XenServer hosting providers. Well, guess you and Tony have some work to do then. I expect it will be more than a weekend project for you. ////jerry > > J > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 01:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7A106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828DF8FC0A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so3801390wgb.31 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W+ywC4sikLknQTMy4RVZ4EmVH2CFiwQa+1AjwZHhvn4=; b=gidXCXSutODHTXey9hWQr627Y4JLYhFCNIixwBL1F4eH8mpcRbDcXdDWTgA5N0/2OT 8XbzwHDT2OIc/7we3SrIf2TF3Ltrt6ArTUWzakijtj/wPKG9aomEfEiiHKEhqS0T/zM/ DBl+lcwXZ8Q9aLQiMjHys5JxlhgAo9Op0NE7cufQgn9XoJPHzB3OabMW70A3I61ofjMQ hvtUOI5jwGWdoSzrSNiVxMhpaun8IOP21nOwEHTuiqsnDS6Cp/PJ5A1pi9eMALoP2NOZ s+m2lVLTbXuvZ+pQScW0KbWdnxT5ryBIQJMHyLpwzq5YrpBcyduHKL2x6TpaGFsYo0ZJ oFkw== Received: by 10.180.95.37 with SMTP id dh5mr12320842wib.8.1333935242466; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff9sm26432429wib.2.2012.04.08.18.34.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:33:59 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120409023359.57387483@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freeb