From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 15 07:19:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CA51065673 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from smadev.internal.net (host3.dynacom.ondsl.gr [62.103.35.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF498FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smadev.internal.net (localhost.internal.net [127.0.0.1]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o8F7Iwqe044376 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:18:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id o8F7IvkA044375 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:18:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) From: Achilleas Mantzios Organization: Dynacom Tankers Mgmt To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:18:56 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <86zkvk2f92.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86zkvk2f92.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201009151018.57300.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:19:03 -0000 Java (vs oracle) will not die, just like BSDvs AT&T) did not die, just like= TCP/IP (vs msoft/ibm/SNA) did not die, in other words, its very hard to kill the good guys, (especially when they = are popular). =CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Wednesday 15 September 2010 00:21:13 =CE=BF/=CE=B7= Randal L. Schwartz =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > >>>>> "Jules" =3D=3D Jules Gilbert writes: >=20 > Jules> Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Ja= va > Jules> sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracl= e. > Jules> (It's called Open Source.) >=20 > And that's what I tried to say in my last few posts. Given Oracle's > apparent stance to own Java not by copyright but by patent, it doesn't > *matter* that Java is "open source". We'll have to wait until Oracle > v. Google is decided, but unless Google can invalidate Oracle's > *patents* on Java, Java is effectively dead, unless you want to sleep in > Oracle's bed. >=20 =2D-=20 Achilleas Mantzios