From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 9 13:11:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E9E16A41F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D6B43D46 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09DB4M3032111; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:11:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43C260D4.1040202@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:10:44 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060104) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1235/Sun Jan 8 12:13:01 2006 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Petition (Was Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:11:06 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >On 1/8/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > >>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Kövesdán Gábor wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Nikolas Britton wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! >>>>>>http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source community, but >>>>>I think it would be nice if somebody from the doc team can add it to >>>>>the news on the website, so I cc'd freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps >>>>>geting Adobe to release a working Flash for FreeBSD. >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>Gabor Kovesdan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those online >>>>petitions done any good? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it. Talking >>>about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also do. Do you have >>>a better plan of action? >>> >>> >>The problem is, anyone can sign a petition, even those that don't, nor >>will ever, use the software, which is what makes them meaningless :( >> >>You really need to get someone on the inside that is using FreeBSD and >>push from that direction ... unless its a product you can pay for, and >>then you make the dollars speak for you ... >> >> > >I make all IT, purchasing, decisions at my company. I suspect most >other senior IT folk also make or have strong influence in, >purchasing, decisions at their company's. What are the demographics >for people who use FreeBSD? I suspect a higher then normal percentage >of senior IT folk make up the ranks. Here's an excellent example of >the point I'm trying to make: Last year my company wanted to build a >flash website. I put my foot down and said no, not everyone can use or >see flash websites. Macromedia lost a $999 dollar sale. > > Same here - I also host several domains on a colocated server, and I tell everyone who is getting a site done to refuse flash for their website creation. I point them in other directions, and cite that flash is not visible to everyone. I'm sure I've stopped the sale of at least 10 macromedia sales, not to mention the sites that use flash to display product information losing business from those of us that are using a FreeBSD desktop and want to order something online. I get frustrated, and find another site selling the product, or skip the purchase altogether. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------