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Date:      Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:41:19 +0200
From:      Ivan Radovanovic <radovanovic@gmail.com>
To:        Mathieu Prevot <mathieu.prevot@gmail.com>
Cc:        Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com>, romain@freebsd.org,  Freebsd-mono <freebsd-mono@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: maintaining ports and mono
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On 06/17/2016 23:41, Mathieu Prevot napisa:
>
>
>     IMHO opinion there is no interest to have Mono running properly on
>     FreeBSD from either side. Original mono developers are even proud to
>     say they don't care about having it run on *BSD,
>
> Do you have reference to such thing ? list archive ? I think it might be
> right in the past, the teams might have changed, and the mindset might
> have changed, and ultimately, does it matter ?
>

Actually checking mono project page now (after very long time), I might 
be wrong - FreeBSD apparently is listed now among supported platforms 
http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/supported-platforms/ (that 
wasn't the case before, but I don't have any experience running more 
recent version of mono, latest I tried was the one I created patch for 
FileSystemWatcher since that was always broken on FreeBSD and ASP.Net 
was pain to run without it)

>
> Sounds really good :) Do you have an idea of the amount of lines / hours
> to do such thing ? I keep all that in mind ! I keep probing and will
> come back to you. Many thanks for proposing this.
>

If you have time/energy to spend trying to push those changes upstream 
to main mono or to keep them with port here are patches I wrote:

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=198727
https://github.com/mono/xsp/compare/master...ir-soeasycorp:master

Feel free to use this source any way you want :-)

>
> C# have many serious advantages such as linq, tasks, GC, the VM and many
> things of a modern object oriented language. To me it's one of the most
> pleasant language to work with, as a programmer. Then yes, the ecosystem
> matters first.
>

For me single benefit from C# is .Net library which is really huge and 
well designed, so it allows rapid development, other than that I prefer 
deterministic memory management you have in C++ since C++11 
(unfortunately C++ has STL which in its older parts is designed around 
active data structures idiom, making it not that pleasant to use). I 
also completely dislike idea of VM on server side, but I guess that is 
just me :-)

Kind regards,
Ivan



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