From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 07:26:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF6216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from beck.quonix.net (beck.quonix.net [146.145.66.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BA843D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from essenz@beck.quonix.net) Received: from beck.quonix.net (localhost.quonix.net [127.0.0.1]) by beck.quonix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2UFQA6T002779 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost)i2UFQAuA002776 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Von Essen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <40697A82.2070402@sitetronics.com> Message-ID: <20040330101519.R2711@beck.quonix.net> References: <002f01c4165c$a0c0d1d0$6f01a8c0@miter.local> <40697A82.2070402@sitetronics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: The Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:26:16 -0000 This is an interesting point. Alot of big companies use FreeBSD, but under the following conditions: 1. The lead/senior sysadmins are old FreeBSD guru's 2. The systems that have FreeBSD installed are low-profile and can't be easily spotted (audited). 3. Management has loose control over their employees I am working for a large insurance company right now. Because, I love FreeBSD, I have made an attempt to "slip" FreeBSD into the network - on some backend mail servers, intranet web servers, etc.,. However, I still have no chance of getting FreeBSD into, say, our production web server pool. Management is brain-washed and all they know is Solaris, Solaris, Solaris, IBM, IBM, IBM. And... It doesn't help when they go to freebsd.org. It makes FreeBSD seem NON-enterprise. Personally, i think the site is fine, but Im a tech, not a CTO. Maybe, freebsd.com can be redesigned have a suse.com or redhat.com look-n-feel, and freebsd.org can retain - the developer community look-n-feel. -john On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > Paul Robinson wrote: > > > [snip; poor formatting] > > > > > > Well, this is the problem FreeBSD generally has. A lot of people would > > actually like to see more developers move to FreeBSD and contribute to > > the project. It then follows that as the "product" improves, we are able > > to see a rise in the number of users. Pedantic, yes, but I'm becoming > > less convinced of the need for us to get FreeBSD onto the family PC. I > > would like to see it on a lot more developer's desks though. > > And in more companies. FreeBSD is already used by many (large) companies > (including those in the Fortune 500). I know that even MS uses FreeBSD > for the SFU software. > > > [snip; poor formatting] > > > > > > Won't you expect the competition's product to be a better alternative to > > the one you currently use? Do you honestly believe that OS choice is > > dependent on what the website looks like? If so, how did Mandrake ever > > take off? > > I have to agree here. > > > > [snip; poor formatting] > >> the moment it looks like a three column url listing with no > >> really strong visual cues to things important to capturing, > >> converting, and supporting new users. > > > > > > Well, you know what the answer is then, don't you? You can grab the > > source, talk to the web team, produce a better version. Remember it has > > to be readable in text browsers, conform to WAI and Internationalisation > > standards and everyone has to agree by mutual consent it's a better > > design than the existing one. > > AMEN. This is a bikeshed that gets discussed every 6 or so months. > Search advocacy@, doc@ and any number of other mailing lists for the > amount of complaints about the webpage. As per the suggestion always > posted that the FreeBSD page is too ``simple,'' my answer remains: > > http://www.google.com > http://www.sun.com > > Simple, huh? > > As I stated on your other thread regarding the post on the ZDNet.au > site; if you can't put up, shut up. I say that in a coarse manner not to > be obtuse, but to discourage you and others from continuing with a > bikeshed that nobody seems to care to fix. If you want to make a new > site for FreeBSD, make a template, see what you can do, but don't expect > it to be used. > > > [snip] > > Kind regards, > > Devon H. O'Dell > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >