From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 5 15:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07443 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07431 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA27120; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:04:42 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199704052304.QAA27120@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 2.2.1R NFS and FTP load problem FOUND To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:04:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970405164610.00ac1574@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Apr 5, 97 04:46:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >There is no evidence, short of a shuffle, that will guarantee you > >that the problem is resolved, not masked by the additional RAM. > > > >You will need to do a full shuffle so that an 8M situation without the > >possibly flakey RAM is also tested (and verified to fail). > > Ok, but why can I load any OTHER version of Freebsd on these machines, Possibly because it is a bug in FreeBSD, but since you are in the vast minority, probably because the usage patterns are different between revisions and you are just "lucky". 8-(. > and what is the chance of a random ram problem having the exact > same failure on 2 different machines? Small, but not non-existant. > I dont buy it.....sounds like a "mine works so you're wrong" > answer to me. Do the shuffle; if it fails in all 8M configurations on your hardware, you have proven it is a FreeBSD bug. Right now, all you have is a strong feeling that it is a FreeBSD bug, and we have a strong feeling that "a million other users not having the problem can't be wrong". Circumstantially, our feeling is simpler than yours (Occam's razor) until you generate contradictory evidence. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.