From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 1 22:27:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B5D37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish ([10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g326Rcr60986; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:27:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <004501c1da0f$7cd67a80$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020401153352.02b99760@nospam.lariat.org> <3CA8EB5F.2E91B408@mindspring.com> <1017709221.71119.5.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <3CA91382.4E4E2B@mindspring.com> <1017714456.71119.20.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <3CA93944.D72D6AB7@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:27:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry writes: > So bitch at Microsoft for putting up a > *web site* to reach them. It seems to be working thus far. In this thread, for example, Microsoft has succeeded in making the limitations of UNIX obvious as far as Web browsing is concerned. > Doesn't work on AIX or Solaris. I haven't > tried it on SCO, mostly because I believe > it will be a waste of time to do so. Uh-huh. See above. This wouldn't be a problem on Windows. > I already have Netscape. If you have an old version of Netscape, you do not have a browser that knows much about standards, so you should not complain if it fails to properly render pages written in standard HTML. Newer versions are a bit better, and browsers like Opera and MSIE are worlds better. > You guys were arguing about Netscape > not working, and then you go and point me > at Netscape... sheesh. Windows 3.1 doesn't work very well, either, but it's obsolete, too. > Sorry, I don't want to invest 6 hours > pulling down sources just to find out I > need more sources, until eventually I > have converted whatever OS I am using into > Linux. This would only take a few minutes if you were running Windows. > I'm pretty sure that Galeon a whole bunch > of stuff, plus the Galeon stuff, to work. Not as simple as Windows, eh? > People were complaining about it on -hackers, > just the other day, when it took them 8 > hours to pull it down over their 28k modem. See above. > Can you point us at *binary* releases for > versious OSs? For Windows, see http://www.microsoft.com. For UNIX, set aside a free week to work on the problem. > For 28k modem users, this puts them in the > 1.5 hour range for a 14M download. Does the average UNIX user have a slower modem than the average Windows user these days? No 33.6 kbps modems or broadband connections? > PS: UNIX people tend to use UNIX for everything. Of course ... it's a religion for many of them, after all. > This includes browsing. It doesn't make a > heck of a lot of sense to run some other OS, > if your intent is to not run that OS on your servers, > as well ... Servers and desktops are two different types of machines. It doesn't make sense to run sendmail on your desktops, either. > ... so a UNIX ship will have UNIX desktops, and > they will probably be the same flavor of UNIX > as they have deployed for their hosting facilities ... That is, one of 7,482 flavors of UNIX in the world, all incompatible with each other unless you recompile source from scratch. Do you see the Windows advantage? > ... since it also makes little sense to > have to keep people up to speed on several OSs, > rather than, say, doing useful work. And that's why so many shops just adopt Windows for everything, since they need it on the desktops already. You're doing a great job of selling Windows, you know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message