From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 08:36:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E301D5BD527 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6scj2zCsz4thV for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6scg3Qq5zDq8g; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616834163; bh=myTNk+BeZo8iL3VrRI77TO6NerUqAuv9dQ96RlW0Cm0=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Cc:Date:References:To:From; b=TRzgRTZMYWJkYg/ljhL4bWAE0XXInRxEXkquiBFTWs7YR62az9lcOxgoGO+zjkZ8a Z8JTb9UbuYN0EdClXCYNbp0AUFVa4FzqSB0EK/BCB8JnTWeC8rvZB//5c11DOQXvXt fPI9WKSLqIg/ieCaaKX9uN6ohByQwtK2pVAeTrhE= X-Riseup-User-ID: 1262F3008C62B1733063F6AB160144E9434FD046BD80A9ECD0797DDBDD597BB8 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (dynamic-093-135-034-084.93.135.pool.telefonica.de [93.135.34.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F6scg0n7Tz1yBY; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: arm64 FreeBSD13-RC3 /home vs, /usr/home From: Ralf Mardorf In-Reply-To: Cc: wa5qjh , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:36:00 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6scj2zCsz4thV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=TRzgRTZM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[93.135.34.84:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:06 -0000 > On 27. Mar 2021, at 03:43, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:29 AM wa5qjh wrot= e: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D254595 >> and as a user in the boonies with mostly bad internet, may I request tha= t in package scripts, larger items like llvm10 be fetched very early on inst= ead of nearly last, please! >> If llvm fails to fetch, all that was fetched previously is wasted when yo= u make the attempt again. With metered internet accounts thats money and ban= dwidth down the drain. Yes, its ridiculous how something so small as 100 MB o= r even 30MB can be such an issue, but in a marginal internet area like wher= e I am, it is! So, by placing the "big ones" at the beginning (say, xorg), i= t matters little to folks with bandwidth, but to us in the boonies, woukd be= a big help. >=20 > I would suggest to fill a bug / feature request (see example above) as > well here. It=E2=80=99s probably a good idea to mention steps to reproduce the issue. W= hy is something already downloaded wasted, when doing what attempt again? =E2=80=94=20 > http://www.tomek.cedro.info A =E2=80=9ECore Linux utility adduser=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t exist. What d= oes exist for Linux are helpers named like that, at least one GPL licensed h= elper https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adduser-deb/ and a BSD licensed hel= per https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adduser/ . However, Arch Linux probab= ly isn=E2=80=99t the only distro that doesn=E2=80=99t provide an =E2=80=9Cad= duser=E2=80=9D utility at all, by official repositories, https://archlinux.o= rg/packages/?q=3Dadduser , https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/users_and_gr= oups#Example_adding_a_user . While Ubuntu does provide this helper, it=E2=80= =98s still even not a =E2=80=9ECore=E2=80=9C utility. It=E2=80=98s just some= software, such as an Internet browser. You can get different web browsers f= or all operating systems, if one of those browsers should suck, than this we= b browser still doesn=E2=80=98t become a =E2=80=9ECore=E2=80=9C utility that= makes this operating system =E2=80=9Esuck=E2=80=9C. You can=E2=80=98t blame= an operating system for an issue, that does exist between screen and keyboa= rd.