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Date:      Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:06:59 +0300 (IDT)
From:      Nadav Eiron <nadav@cs.technion.ac.il>
To:        Gary Clark II <gclarkii@main.gbdata.com>
Cc:        "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@freefall.freebsd.org>, pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: BSD's Mascot
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.3.95-heb-2.07.970410110019.9021A-100000@csd>
In-Reply-To: <199704100626.BAA20409@main.gbdata.com>

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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Gary Clark II wrote:

> 
> Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> > Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> > > 
> > > B,66; I,73; L,76; L,76; G,71; A,65; T,84; E,69; S,83 and a 3 (His
> > > complete second name is Gates III) it all adds 666 (the number of the
> > > beast). Other famous terms:
> > > MS DOS 6.21	77+83+45+68+79+83+32+54		= 666
> > > Windows 95	87+73+78+68+79+87+83+57+53+1	= 666
> 
> Where are you getting your number system from?  I've never seen a "standard"
> for english gematria.
> 
> > 
> > 	well i guess that confirms what i suspected all along. ;)
> > 	playing(?) with sums formed from letters is a very old
> > 	practice.  in hebrew every letter is also a number so no
> > 	translation table is required.  the sequence for the letters
> > 	runs 1, 2, 3, ... 9, 10, 20, ... 100, 200, 300, 400.  no
> > 	0.  400 is the last leter of the alphabet (alef bet, are
> > 	the first two letters of the alphabet[a])  numbers larger
> You are confusing Hebrew and Greek:) ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> > 	than 400 are fomed by  repeating 400, etc...well i guess
> > 	that i have rambled enough.
> 
> It is called gematria.
> I thought it started with Aleph at 1 and ended with Tzaddi(final) at 900.
> Yes all the numbers above 400 are final letters, so may not be used in
> all dialects (I only know one in a very limited way...).

Well, I'll take the role of the native Hebrew speaker on the list...

Jonathan was *almost* correct. The numbers go 1..10, then 10..90 and then
100..400. Final letters are counted just as normal letters, because final
letters were introduced into the Hebrew writing at a very late stage (long
after gematria was). The incorrect part is about numbers > 400. Numbers
from 400 to 1000 are formed by repeating the 100..400 letters. However,
when using Hebrew letters to write numbers the thousands are counted
differently, expressly saying thousands, so for example 5757 (the current
Jewish year) is expressed as 5 thousands, 400+300+50+7 when written in
Hebrew letters, though normally for dates the thousands digit is implicit
(the Jewish millenium is still >200 years in the future, so there are no
giant cobol hacking projects to correct software that assume the thousands
digit is always 5 :-) ). 

> 
> > 
> > jmb
> > 
> 
> Gary
> 
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> 
Nadav




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