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Date:      Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:11:25 -0700
From:      Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
To:        Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3
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Mark, I'm confused by this message.  You direct your message to me,  
but quote Kris and Chris and then using those comments attack me.  I  
think you may have my own comments confused.

Finally, I haven't asked for anything you are attacking me for here.   
You are apparently restating what you think I said into things and  
attacking me for those ... or something.  I'm entirely confused by  
this message, sorry :-(

On Jun 5, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 05:39:36PM +0200, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>> You seem awful hostile - do you really think that's the best way to
>> represent the project you're involved with?
>
> When confronted with "what you are doing is wrong, but I am not going
> to tell you what it is because if you cared you'd already know" (my
> summary of your past postings in this thread)?  Possibly not 'best'  
> but
> 'understandable'.
>
>> The option provided seems like a fairly good compromise to both
>> interests. Pick 6.3 (or anything the release team wishes) to support
>> for a longer period of time.
>
> If you want FreeBSD to be supported the same as a commercial product,
> and you be able to dictate the terms, then it's not going to happen
> completely via volunteer effort.  At some point some money is going to
> have to change hands.  Either you pay someone at your company to do
> support, or you hire someone external.
>
> Then you get to dictate what is supported and for how long.   
> Otherwise,
> all you can do is to suggest.  A "consensus statement" signed off on
> by one person is the former -- not the latter.
>
> Now to add my own frustration to the list ...
>
> I next note that _after_ you said you had no more time to continue
> with this thread for now (and thus could not yet give us pointers to
> specific failures and any corresponding PR numbers), you are still
> replying to email.  Since you still seem to have some time, let me
> help you do a little research here.
>
> Checking the PRs that you have submitted that are still current, none
> of the src-related ones are from anything newer than 6.0R:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?originator=Jo+Rhett
>
> There are some resources to help you find already-submitted PRs to
> reference if it will help.  (The latter 2 are new, and are attempts
> by the bugbusting team to flag 'well-known problem' and 'PR indicates
> regression'):
>
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/Commonly_reported_issues
> http://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/studies/prs/well_known_prs.html
> http://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/studies/prs/prs_for_tag_regression.html
>
> Now I'll admit the following is a less-obvious query of the  
> database, but
> it's my attempt to show regressions that we have already flagged in  
> 6.3:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?release=%5EFreeBSD+6.3&category=kern&text=regression
>
> So these 4 links should give you some quick ways to generate some PR
> numbers for us.
>
> Finally, here are some statistics about PR count:
>
>  rel	all		kern
>  ---	---		----
>  6.0	210		 91
>  6.1	217		 81
>  6.2	396		102
>  6.3	167		 56
>  7.0	563		140
>
> To me, this doesn't look like an overwhelming case for 6.3 being worse
> off than 6.2.  Yes, I'm sure there are regressions: there are in any
> release.
>
> mcl

-- 
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source  
and other randomness





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