From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 25 04:18:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39D61065672; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73078FC0A; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so2306495iyj.13 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:18:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+xOCMhC0yHLpKlQaV7aT/vQpIHDpflqlfw7aVccBT08=; b=GjV/FIVdEYgerCgluC1dZI300m8OsYnCFirVaibRzOnw7Op0zD3d0KdPM2UhflZ+mY BlWJy83vVtXiSsibi27T34tOhaXqKRefMZ8FWUfoSUx9xmK5+cxjWjmc+c+z+YsxKldy JtKCMavjxbeCWqnHFTnadiZjUf2VtNlwy/xMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ny6vUQ7HxKY7pfXC2eQqdppS4izV2HQrJySe7uzbO8dT/snBcNv9/HNJmsCIv5RU8f s6ye51h4aDTXOBbjxdA32jp5NKJazr8e7OjbSNYbnjg/5DMmmr8PxXlI8/I+YM0UAQNS vk0NePH6VidksiPud0uCXLBSMMS10Wmxti7WI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.213.3 with SMTP id gu3mr4450560icb.270.1303705106888; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.177.134 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:18:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DAEAE1B.70207@FreeBSD.org> <20110420203754.GM85668@acme.spoerlein.net> <4DAF46F8.9040004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:18:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Alexander Motin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-Current Subject: Re: Switch from legacy ata(4) to CAM-based ATA X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:18:28 -0000 Hi, On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > [...] > > I agree that we need to catch up with something but we should have done s= o a year ago. > > a) we MUST HAVE a transition scheme if we cam-base ATA by default. Someth= ing that converts things automatically to whatever? =A0That's not been done= in more than one year. =A0It's not acceptable to update, reboot and not fi= nd the root file system no matter what. =A0We all agreed on that back then.= =A0I do not really care how it's done. > =A0I have been testing cam based ata for a while now on the machines I ca= n cope with as a developer and even then I screwed the transition partly tw= o times in the last months. =A0How's a normal user to do that flawlessly? > For the record, it would seem that Alexander did not provide any follow-up to this message, but still decided to go forward. I would be interested to have his answer to your question. Thanks, - Arnaud > b) FYI: labels and stacked geoms do not work well together as you can nev= er detach providers cleanly then, which basically means you are at risk of = data loss with every reboot. =A0I was told multiple times that this is not = fixable. =A0If it is labels seem to be a great why to go. =A0For now I have= to compile them out/disable them unfortunately so they are not an option, = and they'll be less so if the new installer also offers gmirror, geli, ... = installs. > > Give me a solution that works out of the box and I'll happily agree that = we switch. > FWIW, so do I. > /bz > > -- > Bjoern A. Zeeb =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 You have to have visions! > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >