From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 18:24:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8469A16A4CE; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (f170.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5BE43D4C; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:24:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AIOUup003302; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:24:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Paul Richards From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:04 GMT." <20050310181903.GU98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:24:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3301.1110479070@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:58:42 +0000 cc: Brian Fundakowski Feldman cc: Maxim Sobolev cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: Brooks Davis cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: alfred@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: des@des.no cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/compat/linux linux_socket.c X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:24:44 -0000 In message <20050310181903.GU98930@myrddin.originative.co.uk>, Paul Richards wr ites: >That's the crux of FreeBSD's problem really. We can't tell the >commercial world to change the way they work to suit what we want >to do. If we want them to take FreeBSD seriously we have to fit >with the expectations they have. No, the crux of FreeBSD's problem is the differing opinion on how serious we want to be taken. I for instance, do not want "the commercial world", (by which we in this case means "application producing companies") to take us anymore serious than we are able to be. Being realistic about our capacity and ability is far more important to everybody, than promising specific goals of dubious reachability. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.