From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 21 20:19:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA01105 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:19:23 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA01090 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:19:21 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA06440; Fri, 21 Apr 95 21:12:57 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504220312.AA06440@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Minutes of the Thursday, April 13th core team meeting in Berkeley. To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 21:12:56 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504220106.SAA20941@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Apr 21, 95 06:06:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I cheated. By definition, a company that has fallen victim to S^3 > > will not be successful. If it is, then it hasn't been a victim. > > We're clearly inside the 20% zone where Terry is completely and utterly > off the mark. > > IBM "not successful" ???? Are you claiming that they would have been equally or less successful for having recognized and elimited S^3 by using competent release engineering practices? Or are you claiming "any profitability over 0%" as "successful enough"? Companies that _allow_ themselves to fall victim to S^3 are "*lucky* if they survive", not "*successful* if they survive". The difference (in software) between not being hit by S^3 and being clobbered over the head by it is the difference between committed, competent release engineering that has been empowered to do their jobs vs. a failure in commitment, competence, or empowerment that should have been there but wasn't. Products that fall victim to S^3 deserve to die. IBM (or any company) surviving an S^3 crisis is either over-capitolized (and therefore not hitting their full profit potential) or otherwise independent of the failing product for their income (survival). Man, I feel like the only person outside of Japan who has read Demming. 8^). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.