From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 20:20:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683441065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE138FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pn7e1a0040ldTLk54wLQAd; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:24 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pwLQ1a0021f6R9u3QwLQhZ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:24 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:26 -0000 On Thu 11 Dec 2008 at 11:32:57 PST prad wrote: >> >charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here: >"Here are some examples of the environments in which FreeBSD is used" > >these are examples of freebsd's versatility, which is not the same as >saying freebsd is ubiquitously versatile. > >admittedly the stuff in red: >"FreeBSD is an operating system that will grow with your needs." >could be interpreted as the "all things to all people" and i think does >may be make a case for providing 'more', but i think that's something >best left to be explained by the people at the helm of the ship. I was searching for a statement of FreeBSD's *goals* and came away with the impression that it's trying to be a general-purpose operating system. Goals are one thing. How much progress you've made toward meeting your goals is another. This thread has been about some things FreeBSD still needs to do in order to meet what do seem to be, after all, some of its goals. Wojciech seems to be denying that FreeBSD has any such goals that require these changes. But his argument implies that FreeBSD is some kind of special-purpose OS with a limited target audience. I don't think that interpretation is supported by the way FreeBSD is presented on its own website. But I admit, I'm still rather new to FreeBSD. Perhaps I've misunderstood what it's all about. So I'll leave my question about its goals as one for the more experienced members of the list to answer. If I've got it wrong, I hope they'll correct me. >and the key point is perhaps right here: "FreeBSD users are quite proud >of not only how fast but how reliable their systems are." > >so whatever else, i think this statement is certainly something we can >all agree on. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I don't ever want the speed or reliability of the OS to be compromised by anything that is done to meet its remaining goals.