Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:36:28 +0000 From: Lorenzo Salvadore <phascolarctos@protonmail.ch> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-ID: <TvF8f0-Gk366HVEzrtrXxK-bOdl-XLtRB43KWZEuTXpq5lWizIZVD64mIs8GNcJJrrMBpDQTQuWCxTzz9SkYlUkOvkRHsJQeM4OyrrZ9S3A=@protonmail.ch> In-Reply-To: <20200221113030.700642ac@scorpio> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <CAFYkXjnKO2ayKjh4KKTL1y_rcMbF62CePMcG=Z3KVtptU%2BUGPQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200221010421.GA54290@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <CAFYkXjnJvfBi68Zg6gf8Jr3n4O9C=F3pM8rbHDGKcbmQE2DUMw@mail.gmail.com> <20200221055139.GA969@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <CAFYkXjkJoyh-n%2BXhAi%2B7WLRWgfZRzta9v=vSduqF=DdKABz=cg@mail.gmail.com> <20200221160938.e35b4ca4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200221113030.700642ac@scorpio>
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=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Friday 21 February 2020 17:30, Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:09:38 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:14:09 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > > > This is exactly the reason why I have switched from nVidia to AMD > > > RADEON and planning no return!! > > > Because nVidia does not provide documentation nor support to > > > Open-Source, only binary blobs, you start to think that their drivers > > > are the best because "they just work"^TM. Nothing more misleading! > > > nVidia seems to have no respect in the Open-Source community. I was > > > also astonished with that being their 20 years long loyal customer. > > > When you look at the true Open-Source drivers, you will notice they > > > are poor and you cannot really do anything more with nVidia than just > > > display. > > > > Exactly my impression. While there are several (I think, 3) > > open source nVidia drivers, all of them have problems. Some > > just offer 3D graphics, others won't work in 64 bit OS mode, > > and others just freeze when being loaded. The binary blob is > > the only way to get proper 3D support. > > > > > Open-Source RADEON drivers in general are by some considered even > > > better than binary blobs provided by AMD. > > > > Interesting. This seems to be a "ride back to the past" where > > ATI (which was the typical brand name of the Radeon-type GPUs > > at that time) was always superior to nVidia: 3D support out of > > the box, with the standard drivers included with X. Then there > > was a time where nVidia was considered better than ATI / AMD > > (again, judging from the binary blob driver!), and today, AMD > > using the open source drivers seems to be the way to go. > > > > > Here comes the development of DRM layer that is something brand new > > > in FreeBSD that will support all new GPU in a truly Open-Source > > > fashion (but hey where does that firmware comes from??). > > > > Don't ask the firmware question. Don't ask any questions > > going below the visibility level. ;-) > > Interestingly enough, nVidia is the only card/driver combination that I > have ever gotten good results with. Part of the problem might be that > the version of the nVidia driver offered in the ports system is rarely > current, For instance, right now the port version is > nvidia-driver-440.31_1, while the latest version available for FreeBSD > -x64 is version 440.59. The port version was released 11/04/2019. Plus, > I wonder how many users actually download and use > the utilities for nVidia that are available in the ports system. Also, > I would be interested in what 'card' the end used is employing and > supposedly not receiving optimal results. If someone wants to test it we have a patch to update nvidia-driver to latest version: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D242177 Lorenzo Salvadore
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