From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 20:36:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48CC10656C5; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732F88FC20; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q97KabvP027635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:36:37 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.103] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:36:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: <0CB9F1EA-2176-4AE9-B899-6E8744D06DC7@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <86k3v21qsx.fsf@ds4.des.no> <3EB58454-7820-43C4-911E-7DEF2D02C880@fisglobal.com> <86fw5q15f9.fsf@ds4.des.no> To: Garrett Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-07_05:2012-10-06, 2012-10-07, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Devin Teske , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:36:40 -0000 On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >>=20 >>> Devin Teske writes: >>>> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: >>>>> What problem are you trying to solve, exactly? >>>> Many in-fact: >>>> [list of things that bear no relation whatsoever to what was actually >>>> in the email I replied to] >>>=20 >>=20 >> I disagree with your slight that those "things =85 bear no relation what= soever to what was actually in the e-mail [you] replied to". >>=20 >> It only *seem* as those are unrelated. I assure you, they are _very_ rel= ated (and it's very much my mistake for not making it clear in my initial e= -mail). I must apologize for this lack of clarity (I try to rectify it belo= w). >>=20 >>> Then maybe you should have focused on that in your original email. >>>=20 >>=20 >> Yes, perhaps. >>=20 >> Perhaps it would have been better to explain: >>=20 >> Hey=85 >>=20 >> + iX and I are working on enhancing the boot loader menu to include a ne= w submenu for selecting a Boot Environment (BE). I'm providing the menu inf= rastructure, iX is providing the C code to populate that menu. >=20 > Sounds like GRUB/Plymouth's model... sorta. >=20 >> + We can't add this new menu item without pigeon-holing ourselves into a= position where no more menuitems can be added. >=20 > Understood. >=20 > ... > - Have you considered high resolution screens/fonts; there are some alrea= dy in FreeBSD hooked into syscons, but that's available later on at boot? I= mention this because there's a lot of wasted real estate on my 30" or 24" = LCDs when I boot up FreeBSD. >=20 Adding screen real-estate won't help. Menus (and any of the maximum 65535 s= ubmenus) are always limited to 9 maximum menu items. A significant overhaul of the Forth code would be required to accommodate m= ore than 9 menu items per-menu. Currently, if a 10th menuitem were rendered (assuming I lifted the boundary= -checks), it would be rendered as such: =85 8. Eighth Item 9. Ninth Item 1. Tenth item =85 Worse, you press "8" to invoke the 8th item, "9" to invoke the 9th item, bu= t ":" to invoke the 10th item (wait, what?) Yes, ":" to invoke the 10th item. Because currently ASCII keycodes are used= to associate menu items. The next character after "9" is ":". > I'd like to see sketches or a general idea of what you have in mind befor= e investing too much time in a direction that doesn't bear a lot of fruit. = I'm sure others here agree. >=20 Sorry, but I'm the infrastructure guy. I provide the framework. I'll leave = it to the community to decide how to use that framework. I'm leaving it in = jpaetzel's, avg's, and mav's very capable hands to utilize my framework in = whatever way they see fit. They came to me with a need. I filled that need. If the community doesn't w= ant it, I'll just dump it into DruidBSD and use it there until someone want= s it. --=20 DevinDe _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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