Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:15:42 -0800 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Cliff Sarginson <cls@raggedclown.net> Cc: FreeBSD Chat <FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. Message-ID: <3E149DEE.11F631A1@mindspring.com> References: <200301020611.h026BC192518@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <20030102100959.GF12408@raggedclown.net>
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Cliff Sarginson wrote: Kind of hard to see who you are replying to; you attempt to carry the same thought through multiple levels of quoting, which doesn't quite work. 8-). > > >> >> Grim. I don't buy this, of course, but it paints a grim picture. > > >> > > > >> > Human societies have always been, in the limit, > > In the limit ? If you are going to discuss things, use language morons > like me understand. The sum of an infinite number of human behaviours is not infinite. 8-). http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/zeno_tort/index.asp http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3022/zeno.html http://www.deltalink.com/dodson/html/puzzle.html > > >> >willing to turn > > >> > to the use of force in order to achieve their ends. It is the > > >> > nature of humans to do this. > > >> > Bollocks. It is the nature of humans to do as little as possible. And to use force, if that's the least amount of effort. 8-). > How can the fiasco that brought George Bush to power occur in any > so-called civilised country ? You don't have elections in Europe?!? ;^). [ ... ] > Anyway I decided then, as I believe now, > that no society should be allowed to stop me from damaging myself. A > society has a duty to stop me from damaging others. I'll agree with that. That's rather my side of this argument; Dave believes the opposite: that the society should respect the rights of an individual, past the point of them infringing the rights of another individual. > This is why a country like The USA is the most arse-facing society of > all. While banning people from taking drugs, it creates a crime culture. The banning of the drugs is what created the crime culture: o By raising the stakes so high, it increased the cost of drugs, and therefore the economic incentive for engaging in drug trade, as a result of the direct relationship between economic value and scarcity. o By instituting differential penalties between adult and child offenders, they made an economic differential between the relativerisk/reward ratio for minors vs. adults, making it worth 10+ times as much for a child to engage in drug trade than an adult. o By introducing the use of lethal force in the enforcement of drug policy, they made use of lethal force by drug users and sellers mandatory, simply as a matter of self-defense. > This culture being heavily stimulated by the NRA, moronic untalented > actors like .. I have forgotten his name .. Charlton Heston, who can > never be accused of making a good film, who promote a gun culture. A gun culture has nothing to do with it. Very few crimes are commited with legally obtained guns, and the U.S. borders leak like a sieve, both people and guns. Most guns used in crimes are obtained from countires other than the U.S.. > I live in Holland. > The police guns go rusty from under-use. > I know of no-one who owns a gun. > Gun-crime is almost unheard of. What's your overall per capita death rate, combining criminal killings and suicides, compared to that of the U.S.? > This of course is all irrelevant to the discussion here. > But since that discussion is about as useful as trying to teach a dead > mouse how to play Macbeth *convincingly* I claim the right to join the > fruitcakes :) So, are you on the pro-SPAM (Dave's) side, or the anti-SPAM (my) side? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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