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Date:      Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:20:21 -0500 (EST)
From:      Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org>
To:        Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd>
Cc:        gore <koggybsd@comcast.net>, Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Horrible installer
Message-ID:  <alpine.LFD.2.00.1201210714070.16570@nber4.nber.org>
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Damien Fleuriot wrote:

>
>
> On 21 Jan 2012, at 05:47, Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and.... IMHO, the 9.0 installer SUX!
>> It blow chunks. It's a POS.  It's crap.  It is a joke.
>>
>> I hope I made myself clear. ;-)
>>
>> - M
>
>
> Just because you see things a certain way doesn't make them a fact.
> It's your personal opinion and other people's mileage may vary.
>
> Since you're a fbsd user from 2.x, certainly you're WAY beyond needing 
> the installer and just unpack the base system + kern + src + ports and 
> install them manually.
>
> Refer my earlier post on the subject.
>
> Perhaps if you're unhappy with the new installer you should have 
> submitted feedback about it before -RELEASE hit the road.


I have not yet encountered the new installer, but I recall the traditional 
installer still came with 9.0 Beta3 (which I have used), so I am wondering 
how much time for discussion of the new installer there really was. 
Nevertheless, the problem with the old installer was the menu system's 
departure from convention, which did take quite a while to get used to. I 
recall that the author of the old installer said he regretted picking that 
menu package for this reason.

Could someone enumerate what "advanced hooks" are now buried? If they are 
configuration items that can be changed post-install, then there is 
probably little reason to offer them during the install.

Partitioning, RAID setup and encryption are things that do need to be 
established during setup, and I regret that no installer (for FreeBSD or 
Linux) notices that I have two empty drives, and defaults to a RAID 1.

Daniel Feenberg

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>
> Last but not least I find your calling the new installer a "pos" highly disrespectful towards the people that invested time, energy and money in it.
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