Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith <jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org> To: clefevre@citeweb.net Cc: Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007062024570.86369-100000@dragonstar.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <puoqg34l.fsf@pc166.gits.fr>
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Personally, I've always LOVED simply setting options for the system in
rc.conf and make.conf.... They are all listed, and I just change the ones
I want. I hate haveing to look through LOTS of files for this that or the
other config option.
At the same time, I agree, it's a pain to go 'grep'n around rc.* to figure
out how to bring something up. Having some startup script _I_ can run is
a nice thing TM.
I see _a_ soloution to the whole thing, but I let my two cents float or
sink....
j.
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On 7 Jul 2000, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
> Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 11:16:05AM -0500, David Scheidt wrote:
> > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Linh Pham wrote:
> > >
> > > :>
> > > :> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :)
> > > :>
> > > :> j/k
> > > :
> > > :I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in
> > > :that direction.
> > >
> > >
> > > HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be
> > > because I have boxes that take almost an hour to boot....
> >
> > It's a general SYSVism I think, but on the whole I find it to be a
> > pain, most of the things that happen at startup (on my HP-UX boxes)
> > could happen in the background, but because someone has made them all
> > sequential, so that they can all put ok's or not ok's on the screen it
>
> it's the general SYSV way to run scripts sequentially, not HP-UX ones.
>
> > means that after the 15 odd minutes of hardware testing that these
> > machines do on bootup I then have to wait another 10 minutes until
> > it's really started, and the same again when I want to shutdown.
> >
> > The problem with that of course, is that I end up just calling reboot,
> > rather than bothering to wait for the shutdown - which is probably not
> > what should be encouraged.
>
> on a client machine, right. but on a server running some sort of databases...
>
> > I'd hate to see FreeBSD go the same way, it's nice to have the
> > information available, but having a lot of sequential startup/shutdown
> > scripts is a pain - and when say SNMP (early starter/stopper) hangs,
> > the box won't boot or shutdown until someone kills off that process,
> > which might involve a walk to the machine room.
>
> well, too much informations, kills informations. I'd like the way HP-UX
> goes. just a summary and if an error occur, look at /var/adm/rc.log
> for error messages. I've even implemented this under FreeBSD :)
>
> > It's a pain, and seems to be just there to look nice. (IMHO)
> >
> > Unless someone wants to do the same sort of system, but one that runs
> > in parallel - that I'd like.
>
> at work, I run SYSV based OSes (HP-UX, Solaris, IRIX). from my point of view,
> the bests startup scripts are HP-UX ones located in /etc^H^H^Hsbin/init.d
> and configuration files located in /etc/rc.config.d. I'd like the idea to
> stop/restart a service just by doing /sbin/init.d/nis.server stop/start.
> I although like the way to number them in /etc/rc?.d, so they start in the
> order you want. just like BSD /etc/rc files. but if you need to restart
> some services, you don't have to egrep it in /etc/rc* to find the right
> command and arguments like I need to do under BSD systems.
>
> it's a pain to do something like ps -ef|awk '/yp/&&!/awk/{print $1}|xargs kill
> if a process is missing, just do /sbin/init.d/nis.server start and it restart
> the missing process. no need to stop all of them to have the right way like
> needed under Solaris. yes, under HP-UX, a service isn't started if it's already
> running.
>
> PS : of course, I'm talking about HP-UX 10.x, not HP-UX 9.x which make uses
> of /etc/rc files like BSD does :)
>
> Cyrille.
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