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Date:      Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:26:38 -0700
From:      David Greenman <dg@root.com>
To:        "Jason T. Nelson" <jason@purcell.jlc.net>
Cc:        eischen@vigrid.com (Daniel Eischen), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Sprints response to to wcarchive connectivity problems 
Message-ID:  <199609271226.FAA02197@root.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:55:30 EDT." <199609271155.HAA17969@purcell.jlc.net> 

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>> I've been having problems with connectivity to wcarchive.  It's happened
>> quite a few times in the past, and I've noted all the responses saying
>> it's Sprints problem.  I finally got tired of dealing with thesse
>> transient problems, so I started complaining to my ISP and his Sprint 
>> representative.
>> 
>> Here is Sprints response (in my ISPs words).  While this may be the cause
>> of recent problems (last week or so), is it representative of most of
>> the other Sprint connectivity problems?
>> 
>>   "cdrom.com's provider, crl.com, is connected to the internet via a
>>   non-approved poor router. The router is hosing causing flapping problems.
>>   This is also due to the fact that crl does not properly peer. In other
>>   words, crl and therefore crl's customer is not holding up to acceptable use
>>   policies. The destination is deliberately blocked when the router flaps so
>>   as to prevent flapping throughout the network."
>
>That's mostly crap on your ISP's part (or maybe Sprint, I'm more inclined 
>to think that). There is no such thing as a non-approved router; it 
>probably means that CRL is not using the same piece of crap Cisco's 
>Sprint uses (and good for them for bucking the trend). As for holding up to
>acceptable use policies, this is utter nonsense as well, but if you were 
>to try to make sense of what they are saying, Sprint may be the WORST 
>offender with some of their practices.

   It's entirely crap because the CRL routers that connect at MAE-west,
MAE-east, PB-NAP, and the CIX SMDS are all Cisco 7500 series routers. What
the Sprint person said was just simply an all around lie. Now, if Sprint is
complaining because CRL's backbone is made up of Cascade 9000 ATM switches,
well all I can say is that Sprint would do well to do the same. I think
the Sprint person simply has no grasp whatsover on what CRL is...I think
the person assumed that CRL is a regional provider or something instead
of the tier one backbone provider that they are.

-DG

David Greenman
Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project



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