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Date:      Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:58:26 +0300
From:      Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To:        Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au>
Cc:        Ed Schouten <ed@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r304555 - head/sys/compat/cloudabi
Message-ID:  <20160821135826.GB8192@zxy.spb.ru>
In-Reply-To: <20160821232721.G2639@besplex.bde.org>
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:39:02PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:00:24PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 09:32:35PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>> *(foo_t *)asks for alignment bugs.  We have already fixed lots of these
> >>>> bugs for copying struct timevals in places like ping.c.  Compilers warn
> >>>> about misalignment when certain warnings are enabled, but only on arches
> >>>> where misalignment is more than a pessimization.  There is no reason why
> >>>> td_retval would be always aligned on these arches.  Alignment of 64-bit
> >>>> types on 32-bit arches is usually so unimportant that even int32_t is
> >>>> not required to be aligned by the ABI, and there is no point in
> >>>> aligning td_retval specially unless you also do it for a large fraction
> >>>> of 64-bit integers in the kernel, and there are negative points for
> >>>> doing that.
> >>>
> >>> For eliminate aligment bugs need to replace all assigment more then 1
> >>> bytes to *td_retval by memcpy?
> >>
> >> The copying must be of size 1 or 2 ints unless you are making even larger
> >> type puns than now.  1 int is obviously safe to just assign, and 2 ints
> >> should use memcpy().
> >
> > Why?
> 
> If it has size not 1 * sizeof(int) or 2 * sizeof(int) or is not an integer,
> than it is had to assign to a 2-byte array and might need more careful
> packing just to memcpy() it.

I am miss you point.

> > I am remeber about platforms with missaligment trap when
> > accessing int16 by odd address. Now platforms like this do not exist
> > anymore?
> 
> i386 still exists, and it supports trapping on misalignement for at least
> CPL 3 (not kernel CPL 0).  IIRC, amd64 drops support for this.

Someone enable and support this? I am don't see.
May be PPC trap on this?
Alpha trap on this, but support of Alpha is droped.


> >> There are also endianness problems.  The old version was even more broken
> >> on big endian systems.  The current version needs some magic to reverse
> >> the memcpy() of the bits.  We already depend on this for some 64-bit
> >> syscalls like lseek().
> >
> > Can you explain some more?
> > This is not transfer over network and don't read from external media.
> > Where is problem?
> 
> It is similar to a network transfer.  It needs a protocol to pass values
> to applications.  Type puns are fragile even within a single compilation
> unit.

Application ad kernel run with same byte order, not?



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